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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:53 pm Post subject: Kolb seats

Kolb flyers,

  

   My latest project has been to finish my MkIII's seats.  I thought about building those 

 Rans seats, but decided to stay with the original sling seats.

  

   The main reason I considered a non-stock seat is because I DO NOT want to sit so 

 low!!   

   However, after wrangling with the idea, I decided to just re-install the OEM sling seats, and 

 see what you Kolb pilot guys say.

   I secured my sling seats as per plans today.......with the mid-point of the sling secured to 

 the cross tube under the seat (like the plans show).  

  

   Here's my question;  Do you sit really low in your plane directly on your sling seats, or do you

 build up the height with lots of cushion, so you can sit up a little?

   Is there anybody that builds up the seat with lots of cushion?  Do you find that you NEED lots of

 cushion to raise you up, or is the height of just the sling an ok height?  

  

  

 Mike Welch

 MkIII

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:24 pm Post subject: Kolb seats

The main reason I considered a non-stock seat is because I DO NOT want to 

sit so

low!!

Mike Welch

MkIII



Mike W/Gang:



I built my seat to suit me.



If I had to do it again, I'd do it the same way:



-Get in the airplane.



-See how the seats feel.



-If too low, put a cushion under my butt.



-Too far to the rear, put a cushion behind me.



When are you going to fly the MKIII?



You may be flying before I fly again.  Still waiting on a BFR, but may wait 

until I get back from my road trek West before I get one.  I still can not 

push my plane in and out of the hanger.



john h

mkIII

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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: Kolb seats

> -Get in the airplane.

 > -See how the seats feel.

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		   john h

 mkIII 


	


 John, Kolb guys,

  

   Now that I have the sling seats reinstalled, I have something to 

 test what feels okay.  I suspect plenty of cushion.

  

   Getting in and out is quite a chore, at least it is for me.  That's one of the

 reasons why I don't want to sit so low.

  

   Regarding finishing the plane;   I kind of gave up trying to predict a completion date, 

 'cause I've had so many things keep me from finishing it.  I like to think I can get 

 it registered this winter or so.  At least, that's the plan.

  

   The biggest challenge for me to finish the MkIII is to complete the cabin,

 i.e. the instruments, ballistic chute install, new wing gap (since old one doesn't 

 work anymore), interior stuff, etc.   

  

 Mike Welch

 Nimble I ain't!!

  

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: Kolb seats

Regarding finishing the plane;   I kind of gave up trying to predict a 

completion date,

'cause I've had so many things keep me from finishing it.  I



Mike Welch

Nimble I ain't!!





 Mike W/Gang:



I learned never to set a finish date.



When folks asked me when I was going to be finished building my airplanes, 

I'd tell them, "When they were ready to fly."



john h

mkIII

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: Kolb seats

Mike, I like the low seating, I just fold a towel and put it over the lower tube for a bit of padding and go fly. 



Rick Girard



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   Regarding finishing the plane;   I kind of gave up trying to predict a

 completion date,

 'cause I've had so many things keep me from finishing it.  I

 

 

Mike Welch

 Nimble I ain't!!

 

 

 

 

 

 Mike W/Gang:

 

 I learned never to set a finish date.

 

 When folks asked me when I was going to be finished building my airplanes,

 I'd tell them, "When they were ready to fly."

 

 john h

 mkIII

 



 

 

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aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: Kolb seats

I like the seat height as is. I have a sheep skin  cover on the seats and nothing else. When I first started flying the Kolb I  thought the seats were too low when taxi ing , I am now used to them and see no  reason to change. I am a bit on the short side at 5'7 so maybe that helps. The  only problem I have ever had was the ties holding the top of the seat broke on 1  side , that was a uncomfortable ride home. I changed the ties to some more  robust ones and check these as part of the pre flight and always carry some  spares . I have never had to use them . The seats are just right in flight  . Since I did not build my Kolb I am only assuming the seats are per the  plans 

  

 Downunder

 MK111c

 503 

 Summer is on the way 

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Kolb seats

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
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I still can not push my plane in and out of the hanger.



john h

mkIII 	




I know how you feel because I cannot push my plane into the hangar without help, because it is uphill. But this pulley and track setup works great. I need the track because the hangar is built on a slight slope, and not only does it slope toward the front, it also slopes toward the side. So without the track to guide the tailwheel, the airplane tries to crawl sideways when you winch it in. You may not need that.



When I taxi in, I spin the tail around before shut down so that all I need to do is attach the yoke to the tailwheel, then I stick a BIG screwdriver (2 handed pull) through a loop in the end of the rope and just start walking backward away from the hangar. When I get it pulled all the way in, the tailwheel drops off the end of the ramp - then I know it's time to quit.



Maybe you can adapt something like this to your situation. It makes it possible to get the airplane put away single handed. 



Don't have any ideas about how to get it out tho - Make a towbar and use the tractor?



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:24 am Post subject: Kolb seats

I know how you feel because I cannot push my plane into the hangar without 

help, because it is uphill.

Richard Pike



Richard P/Gang:



Looks like that works good for you.



I have always had ramps for mains and tailwheel in my hanger, which was 

built for a FS, not a MKIII.



By the time I get back from my trek West, I should be healed enough to pull 

all the old ramps out, regrade the hanger floor and hanger approach so they 

are level, then build new ramps.  Right now I still have to push up hill 

somewhat to get the airplane out.



Thanks for the info.



john h

mkIII

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by0ung(at)brigham.net
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:56 am Post subject: Kolb seats

However, after wrangling with the idea, I decided to just re-install  the OEM sling seats, and 

see what you Kolb pilot guys say.

 Mike



  

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  

 the sling seats at least for me were just  bad,    had to have foam just to survive,,, then an hour or so  was my limit.   when I rebuilt I put in some seats from a piper  tomahawk,,,  best mod I have ever done.

  

 Boyd Young

  

 MkIII

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject: Kolb seats

John, Harbor Freight has some cheap 12V winched that with a couple of strategically placed stakes, could be used to pull your Kolb in and out of the hangar. My neighbor John does this with hie Bellanca Viking. The winch pulls nice and slow so minor track changes are easy to make as the plane is being pulled in or out. Might help you get back into the air sooner. Kolb therapy is the best medicine I'm finding. 



Good luck,

Rick Girard



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  I know how you feel because I cannot push my plane into the hangar without

 help, because it is uphill.

 Richard Pike

 

 

 

 Richard P/Gang:

 

 Looks like that works good for you.

 

 I have always had ramps for mains and tailwheel in my hanger, which was

 built for a FS, not a MKIII.

 

 By the time I get back from my trek West, I should be healed enough to pull

 all the old ramps out, regrade the hanger floor and hanger approach so they

 are level, then build new ramps.  Right now I still have to push up hill

 somewhat to get the airplane out.

 

 Thanks for the info.

 

 john h

 mkIII

 

 

 

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Zulu Delta

Kolb Mk IIIC

582 Gray head

4.00 C gearbox

3 blade WD

Thanks, Homer GBYM

 It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.

 - G.K. Chesterton

 

 

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject: Kolb seats

John, Harbor Freight has some cheap  12V winched   Kolb therapy is the best medicine I'm finding. 



 Good luck,

 Rick Girard

 

  

  

 Thanks, Rick G, for the info.

  

 john h

 mkIII

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