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TommyLewis(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:06 am Post subject: rudder stop

Over the weekend I found that the RV10 rudder stop on the right side has  broken, the rivets had been sheared.  The rudder stop was laying in the  bottom of the rudder.  When this has happened to others, have you simply  riveted it back on, or replaced rivets with #8 or #6 bolts, or is there an after  market replacement???

  

 Thanks,

 Tom Lewis

 Granbury, Tx

 RV10  N143EB

  

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philperry9(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:27 am Post subject: rudder stop

Tom,

You can use screws to hold the stops in position.  They'll hold up much better in shear.



Van's even made that change on their demo planes.  If you look closely you'll see they've changed them all to screws.

 

Phil





On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:02 PM,  <TommyLewis(at)aol.com (TommyLewis(at)aol.com)> wrote:

[quote]      Over the weekend I found that the RV10 rudder stop on the right side has  broken, the rivets had been sheared.  The rudder stop was laying in the  bottom of the rudder.  When this has happened to others, have you simply  riveted it back on, or replaced rivets with #8 or #6 bolts, or is there an after  market replacement???

  

 Thanks,

 Tom Lewis

 Granbury, Tx

 RV10  N143EB

  

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2871

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:27 am Post subject: rudder stop

I've heard of people doing it both ways...some have used

Rivets and some have used screws.  My only thought is

that if you do indeed replace the rivets with something,

you may actually not want to replace it with something

too strong.  If you make it too strong, the forces may

be transferred to other parts, and you may end up

breaking something else.   Ultimately, the way to

prevent the problem is to make sure to always use a

rudder gust lock, and make sure that the one you use

is strong enough to withstand whatever is thrown at it.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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On 11/15/2010 1:02 PM, TommyLewis(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Over the weekend I found that the RV10 rudder stop on the right side has

 broken, the rivets had been sheared. The rudder stop was laying in the

 bottom of the rudder. When this has happened to others, have you simply

 riveted it back on, or replaced rivets with #8 or #6 bolts, or is there

 an after market replacement???

 Thanks,

 Tom Lewis

 Granbury, Tx

 RV10 N143EB

kdbelue(at)charter.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:40 am Post subject: rudder stop

I've found the stock rudder stop to be just about useless. I had to leave my RV10 outside overnight and the next day the wind sheared the stops. It didn't take but about 30 min. Anyway, there's a guy on Van's Airforce website that makes a plastic stop that you bolt to the metal hinge bracket that works much better.



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On Nov 15, 2010, at 1:02 PM, TommyLewis(at)aol.com (TommyLewis(at)aol.com) wrote:



[quote]  Over the weekend I found that the RV10 rudder stop on the right side has  broken, the rivets had been sheared.  The rudder stop was laying in the  bottom of the rudder.  When this has happened to others, have you simply  riveted it back on, or replaced rivets with #8 or #6 bolts, or is there an after  market replacement???

  

 Thanks,

 Tom Lewis

 Granbury, Tx

 RV10  N143EB

  

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coop85(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:49 am Post subject: rudder stop

Concur with Tim on the gust lock, the rudder can really get knocked around

in a stiff breeze.  FWIW I have just been using a cargo strap hooked into a

lightening hole on each horizontal stab and wrapped around the tail light.

Locks the rudder in place great, was free (already had the strap) but isn't

going to win in style points.  There are certainly more elegant methods guys

are using, I've just been to cheap/lazy to try one.



As for the rudder stop, there is a nylon aftermarket that I bought but can't

remember who had them.  I suggest a search of the archives.



Marcus



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:58 am Post subject: rudder stop

I've looked at the plastic stop and decided not to install it.  I just redrill the parts #28 and put in a #6 screw with the nut between the brackets.  I noticed on N220RV that Van's had done the same thing when I visited the factory.  I'm a little surprised that they didn't modify the manuals to do it that way, but I think that's a sufficient fix for the rivets.  As Tim said, the best solution is to get a gust lock that will hold the rudder.  The stops are mainly there to have a good hard point to keep the rudder from over-controlling and hitting the elevator and to verify that there is no obstruction in the rudder pedals or cables to get full travel.  Letting the rudder hit the stops in the wind is bad news.  Whether the stops sheer or not, the rudder can be damaged if this is allowed to happen.  I've seen a rudder that had to be completely replaced because it was banging up against the stops and the trailing edge was badly distorted because of a severe impact against the stop in high wind.

 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694 

 

On Nov 15, 2010, at 2:02 PM, TommyLewis(at)aol.com (TommyLewis(at)aol.com) wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    Over the weekend I found that the RV10 rudder stop on the right side has  broken, the rivets had been sheared.  The rudder stop was laying in the  bottom of the rudder.  When this has happened to others, have you simply  riveted it back on, or replaced rivets with #8 or #6 bolts, or is there an after  market replacement???

  

 Thanks,

 Tom Lewis

 Granbury, Tx

 RV10  N143EB

  

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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: rudder stop

I have had this happen to me as well.  My first rudder lock was not very robust and high winds at Las Vegas caused it to slip out of the pedals which then caused my rudder to shear the stops and damage the rudder.  I was able to repair and replace the stops with #6 screws. I never walk away from my plane without putting the rudder lock in even if I am just running to the bathroom.  One blast from a taxiing plane will damage that rudder.  

 

Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com



From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 12:55:38 PM

Subject: Re: rudder stop



 I've looked at the plastic stop and decided not to install it.  I just redrill the parts #28 and put in a #6 screw with the nut between the brackets.  I noticed on N220RV that Van's had done the same thing when I visited the factory.  I'm a little surprised that they didn't modify the manuals to do it that way, but I think that's a sufficient fix for the rivets.  As Tim said, the best solution is to get a gust lock that will hold the rudder.  The stops are mainly there to have a good hard point to keep the rudder from over-controlling and hitting the elevator and to verify that there is no obstruction in the rudder pedals or cables to get full travel.  Letting the rudder hit the stops in the wind is bad news.  Whether the stops sheer or not, the rudder can be damaged if this is allowed to happen.  I've seen a rudder that had to be completely replaced because it was banging up against the stops and the trailing edge  was badly distorted because of a severe impact against the stop in high wind.

 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694 

 

On Nov 15, 2010, at 2:02 PM, TommyLewis(at)aol.com (TommyLewis(at)aol.com) wrote:

[quote]  Over the weekend I found that the RV10 rudder stop on the right side has  broken, the rivets had been sheared.  The rudder stop was laying in the  bottom of the rudder.  When this has happened to others, have you simply  riveted it back on, or replaced rivets with #8 or #6 bolts, or is there an after  market replacement???

  

 Thanks,

 Tom Lewis

 Granbury, Tx

 RV10  N143EB

  

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speckter(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: rudder stop

One solution to the floppy rudder is to install rudder return springs.  I do not have near the flopping as my non spring friends.  It is cheap, easy and keeps the cables nice and snug.  

   

Gary Specketer  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt

 Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 6:08 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: rudder stop  

  

     

I have had this happen to me as well.  My first rudder lock was not very robust and high winds at Las   Vegas caused it to slip out of the pedals which then caused my rudder to shear the stops and damage the rudder.  I was able to repair and replace the stops with #6 screws. I never walk away from my plane without putting the rudder lock in even if I am just running to the bathroom.  One blast from a taxiing plane will damage that rudder.      

   

  

Scott Schmidt

 scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com    

   

    

         

  

From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 12:55:38 PM

 Subject: Re: rudder stop

 

 I've looked at the plastic stop and decided not to install it.  I just redrill the parts #28 and put in a #6 screw with the nut between the brackets.  I noticed on N220RV that Van's had done the same thing when I visited the factory.  I'm a little surprised that they didn't modify the manuals to do it that way, but I think that's a sufficient fix for the rivets.  As Tim said, the best solution is to get a gust lock that will hold the rudder.  The stops are mainly there to have a good hard point to keep the rudder from over-controlling and hitting the elevator and to verify that there is no obstruction in the rudder pedals or cables to get full travel.  Letting the rudder hit the stops in the wind is bad news.  Whether the stops sheer or not, the rudder can be damaged if this is allowed to happen.  I've seen a rudder that had to be completely replaced because it was banging up against the stops and the trailing edge was badly distorted because of a severe impact against the stop in high wind.    

     

Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

 C: 352-427-0285

 F: 815-377-3694   

  

       

On Nov 15, 2010, at 2:02 PM, TommyLewis(at)aol.com (TommyLewis(at)aol.com) wrote:  

  



 

       

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Thanks,  

    

Tom Lewis  

    

Granbury, Tx  

    

RV10  N143EB  

    

   

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Jim Berry

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 237
Location: Denver

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: rudder stop

Does anyone have a bomb-proof rudder lock that they are really happy with?



Jim Berry

N15JB

Phase 1

dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: rudder stop

I have two 1x1x.062 angles each 30" with a foam strip

RTVed to a side. a center hole for an AN4 bolt is centered on each angle. 

The threaded shaft that connects the two angles passes between the rudder 

and the fuselage. It is held on with a lock nut on one end and a wingnut on 

the other. weighs about a pound and is carried in the tiedown bag. the wind 

would probably break the entire tail cone off before breaking the rudder 

lock. Not dainty or elegant but sturdy and sure.

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject: rudder stop

I am very happy with the modified bogi-bar as a gust lock.  I think I've posted a picture before.  I'll try to take one tomorrow and post it.  As I see it, it would be almost impossible for it to come loose if installed correctly.  The plane that had the rudder destroyed had the spring-loaded gust lock installed, but it broke from the force of the wind.



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Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694



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 Does anyone have a bomb-proof rudder lock that they are really happy with?

 

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 N15JB

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Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: rudder stop

This one is cheap and effective. Easy to install and store away.

Albert Gardner

N991RV

Yuma, AZ



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davidsoutpost(at)comcast.
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:38 am Post subject: rudder stop

Here is a link to purchase the internal rudder stop.  I am pleased with the quality and price and installed mine when I was building the rudder.

http://stocktoneaa.org/Rudder%20Stop.html



David Clifford



RV-10 Builder

65% Done-95% To Go

N849RV (reserved)



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Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:14 am Post subject: rudder stop

OK, David, I give up ... is there a link to   Merlin Enterprises so I can check this out, rather than the "buy it  now"?

  

 Thanks, - Lew

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davidsoutpost(at)comcast.
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: rudder stop

No,,,as far as I know he does not have a website.  I believe this is the only part he manufactures and he posts on the Vans RV forum and is one of its moderators.  He just posted today that he has another batch ready for orders and I figured someone on this list might be interested since the subject was recent.  http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=64982 



David Clifford



RV-10 Builder

65% Done-95% To Go

N849RV (reserved)



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: rudder stop

Do you have a picture of how you installed yours? It certainly is

sized differently than the Van's stop.



On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:59 AM,  <davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net> wrote:

[quote] No,,,as far as I know he does not have a website.Â  I believe this is the

 only part he manufactures and he posts on the Vans RV forum and is one of

 its moderators.Â  He just posted today that he has another batch ready for

 orders and I figured someone on this list might be interested since the

 subject was recent.

 http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=64982



 David Clifford



 RV-10 Builder

 65% Done-95% To Go

 N849RV (reserved)



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dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:56 pm Post subject: rudder stop

I been using this one for a while (scroll down to the tow bar pictures):



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300884#300884



It's nice to be able to put the gust lock in while standing outside on

the ground.  Plus no other gizmos to haul around.



Dave Saylor

AirCrafters

140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 95076

831-722-9141 Shop

831-750-0284 Cell



On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Jim Berry <jimberry(at)qwest.net> wrote:

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 Does anyone have a bomb-proof rudder lock that they are really happy with?



 Jim Berry

 N15JB

 Phase 1





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319535#319535

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject: rudder stop

That's very similar to my mod.  I just use a tube that will fit in a hole on the pedals.  I also usually put the stick through the hole in the towbar then use the seatbelt on the other side to hold it back, which locks the elevator & ailerons.

Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

www.mavericklsa.com

C: 352-427-0285

O: 352-465-4545

F: 815-377-3694

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 16, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I been using this one for a while (scroll down to the tow bar pictures):

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300884#300884

 It's nice to be able to put the gust lock in while standing outside on

 the ground.  Plus no other gizmos to haul around.

 Dave Saylor

 AirCrafters

 140 Aviation Way

 Watsonville, CA 95076

 831-722-9141 Shop

 831-750-0284 Cell

 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Jim Berry <jimberry(at)qwest.net> wrote:

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dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:20 pm Post subject: rudder stop

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		  >use the seatbelt on the other side to hold it back<<


	


Yep, that's basically what I did before the bungee.  Now I can lock

all the controls in one motion.  Probably not a big deal but it does

seem easier now and that makes it a little more likely that I'll

actually use it.



Dave Saylor

AirCrafters

140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 95076

831-722-9141 Shop

831-750-0284 Cell



On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:

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 That's very similar to my mod. Â I just use a tube that will fit in a hole on the pedals. Â I also usually put the stick through the hole in the towbar then use the seatbelt on the other side to hold it back, which locks the elevator & ailerons.



 Jesse Saint

 I-TEC, Inc.

 jesse(at)itecusa.org

 www.itecusa.org

 www.mavericklsa.com

 C: 352-427-0285

 O: 352-465-4545

 F: 815-377-3694



 Sent from my iPhone



 On Nov 16, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote:



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> It's nice to be able to put the gust lock in while standing outside on

> the ground. Â Plus no other gizmos to haul around.

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> Dave Saylor

> AirCrafters

> 140 Aviation Way

> Watsonville, CA 95076

> 831-722-9141 Shop

> 831-750-0284 Cell

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