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steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.
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My mobile is coming to the end of its life so I am looking for a new one. Can anyone give recommendations especially with flying apps availability.
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Steve Pitt
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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:58 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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I have no recommendation for a phone, but I do have an iPad with the Foreflight app loaded, and I absolutely love it. I won’t go flying without it. Check out all the features on their website.
Garry Stout
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Subject: phones for flying
My mobile is coming to the end of its life so I am looking for a new one. Can anyone give recommendations especially with flying apps availability.
Thanks
Steve Pitt
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gholland(at)content-strea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:22 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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Steve
iPhone.
I've made my iPhone 3GS a back up device and have the following Apps loaded
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riddon(at)sent.com
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:37 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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Steve.
I may not be the best person to advise as I have only had my Iphone for a couple of weeks but I do like it a lot already. I previously had a Nokia touchscreen phone and I consider the Iphone 4 to be much better. I have followed Gerry's idea and loaded most of the Apps he recommended. So far I can't fault it apart from it being somewhat expensive to buy. I did see that the HTC Desire had very good reports also and that runs the Android operating system which means you are not tied to Apple. Only drawback I saw to that phone was that the battery life was not great.
All the Best.
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt
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Subject: phones for flying
My mobile is coming to the end of its life so I am looking for a new one. Can anyone give recommendations especially with flying apps availability.
Thanks
Steve Pitt
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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: phones for flying |
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Steve
you might also consider an HTC Desire, it runs on the Android OS which is windoze compatible I think. IPhone's 2 expensive for me!
Graham
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Sent: Sunday, 26 December, 2010 17:15:03
Subject: phones for flying
My mobile is coming to the end of its life so I am looking for a new one. Can anyone give recommendations especially with flying apps availability.
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Steve Pitt
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: phones for flying |
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I too recommend the iPad, however, I run ForeFlight on my iPhone as well and with the GPS it works wonderfully. Very nice in a small cockpit.
BTW, if you have an iPad without 3G and GPS be sure and take a look at Bad-elf.com. They have a chip which adds GPS to the iPad.
Ralph
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I have no recommendation for a phone, but I do have an iPad with the Foreflight app loaded, and I absolutely love it. I won’t go flying without it. Check out all the features on their website.
Garry Stout
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Subject: phones for flying
My mobile is coming to the end of its life so I am looking for a new one. Can anyone give recommendations especially with flying apps availability.
Thanks
Steve Pitt
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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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Steve, I would absolutely recommend the ipad for getting all your flight
planning info and everything that you could otherwise do on a laptop, + all
the books you want to read, etc. - then any old phone will do to make calls!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:05 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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The GPS which comes with the iPad is not “aviation grade”. I also bought the Bad-elf chip and my Foreflight app runs much better and more accurately.
Garry Stout
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph K. Hallett III
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:04 PM
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Subject: Re: phones for flying
I too recommend the iPad, however, I run ForeFlight on my iPhone as well and with the GPS it works wonderfully. Very nice in a small cockpit.
BTW, if you have an iPad without 3G and GPS be sure and take a look at Bad-elf.com. They have a chip which adds GPS to the iPad.
Ralph
On 12/26/2010 9:54 AM, Garry Stout wrote:
I have no recommendation for a phone, but I do have an iPad with the Foreflight app loaded, and I absolutely love it. I won’t go flying without it. Check out all the features on their website.
Garry Stout
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 12:15 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: phones for flying
My mobile is coming to the end of its life so I am looking for a new one. Can anyone give recommendations especially with flying apps availability.
Thanks
Steve Pitt
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rlborger(at)mac.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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Gents,
FWIW, Air Guide has their FlightGuide EFB for the iPhone, iPad and Mac/PC. Great for flight planning and flight monitoring. Plus it now has an aviation-grade bluetooth GPS for use with the iPad. Not inexpensive but not outrageous either. I can't rate it right now but it's what I plan to use after I get my iPad next year.
Check six,
Bob Borger
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On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Garry Stout wrote:
| Quote: | The GPS which comes with the iPad is not “aviation grade”. I also bought the Bad-elf chip and my Foreflight app runs much better and more accurately.
Garry Stout
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Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:04 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: phones for flying
I too recommend the iPad, however, I run ForeFlight on my iPhone as well and with the GPS it works wonderfully. Very nice in a small cockpit.
BTW, if you have an iPad without 3G and GPS be sure and take a look at Bad-elf.com. They have a chip which adds GPS to the iPad.
Ralph
On 12/26/2010 9:54 AM, Garry Stout wrote:
I have no recommendation for a phone, but I do have an iPad with the Foreflight app loaded, and I absolutely love it. I won’t go flying without it. Check out all the features on their website.
Garry Stout
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 12:15 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: phones for flying
My mobile is coming to the end of its life so I am looking for a new one. Can anyone give recommendations especially with flying apps availability.
Thanks
Steve Pitt
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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:53 pm Post subject: phones for flying |
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Given limited battery life of iPad/iPhone, has anyone found a cord
which can plug directly into a 12v power source, and a receptacle
which could be wired into and located on the instrument panel?
(I'm told the iPad wants 1.5 amps)
Thanks,
Fred
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gholland(at)content-strea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: phones for flying |
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Fred Hi!
Not being flippant but everything has a limited battery life. You are quite
right when you say the iPhone battery charge can dissipate fairly quickly
when using something like Memory Map as a navigational back up.
Possibly as low as 4 hours or less. I do have a 12V Auxiliary connection to
mine from a 7Amp Hour Battery Box as I have no electrics from the Aircraft.
It's old and basic and not a Europa.
I have a iPad at home and the battery life on that is very good, lasting
about 15 hours in constant use although it could be less as navigation
device. It too can have auxiliary 12V supply. These supplies are normally
connected via Aux or Cigarette Lighter connection.
I used a RAM iPhone Holder purchased from Aircraft Spruce. The iPad has
similar holder.
When using iPhone as navigational device turn off 3GS connection to conserve
battery life.
For iPad Holder look at:
http://www.xtrdesign.co.uk/XTR_Design/Welcome.html
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ramholap8lu.php
For iPhone:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ramholap9u.php
Hope that helps.
The iPhone is an excellent BACK UP for navigation as well as many other
aviation Apps to use. AeroWeather is a must.
Regards
Gerry
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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:57 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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Fred, The iPad does 8hrs + How long do you anticipate flying? David Joyce,
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paullatkinson(at)gmail.co
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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Fred
I have a cigar lighter socket on the panel into which I plug a usb car charger. You will find dozens on Amazon, I think mine was made by Griffin.
Cheers
Paul
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Given limited battery life of iPad/iPhone, has anyone found a cord which can plug directly into a 12v power source, and a receptacle which could be wired into and located on the instrument panel?
(I'm told the iPad wants 1.5 amps)
Thanks,
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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:31 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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Gerry
I used to use my old PDA as a navigation device using PocketFMS. (good software that was)
Trouble is the connection for recharging and data updates has worn out so it won't recharge or update any more. Is the i Phone connector equally fragile?
Graham
From: Gerry Holland <gholland(at)content-stream.co.uk>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December, 2010 7:31:36
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Fred Hi!
Not being flippant but everything has a limited battery life. You are quite
right when you say the iPhone battery charge can dissipate fairly quickly
when using something like Memory Map as a navigational back up.
Possibly as low as 4 hours or less. I do have a 12V Auxiliary connection to
mine from a 7Amp Hour Battery Box as I have no electrics from the Aircraft.
It's old and basic and not a Europa.
I have a iPad at home and the battery life on that is very good, lasting
about 15 hours in constant use although it could be less as navigation
device. It too can have auxiliary 12V supply. These supplies are normally
connected via Aux or Cigarette Lighter connection.
I used a RAM iPhone Holder purchased from Aircraft Spruce. The iPad has
similar holder.
When using iPhone as navigational device turn off 3GS connection to conserve
battery life.
For iPad Holder look at:
http://www.xtrdesign.co.uk/XTR_Design/Welcome.html
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ramholap8lu.php
For iPhone:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ramholap9u.php
Hope that helps.
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I bought myself an Android phone with almost the same features as the iPhone 4 for half the price of it. But to use it for aeronautical navigation and weather briefing it is only competitive for US users.
Here in Europe they still don´t offer easy to use apps and charts please correct me if I´m not right.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:31 am Post subject: Re: phones for flying |
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Greetings All,
I've already posted several months back on my findings, using the
iPad in a Europa. I carry it with me on every non-local flight.
On bright sunny days it is nearly impossible to read in the cockpit.
It's too big to fit my thigh because it blocks lateral stick movement.
I have no open space on my panel for it either. I was thinking about
a stalk mount on the left side of the fuse. Has anyone found a better
solution? My current mode it to leave it in the pax seat and pick it
up to read the screen. I use it as a backup to my BlueMountain and for
weather overlays.
The same view problems for my iPhone 3gs.
No cell phone will be different because they all use a very similar
display technology and they must balance battery life against
backlight brightness.
The iOS devices clearly have the best and the largest selection of
relevent, useful, easy to use in the cockpit software.
If you buy a different smartphone platform, you will be gambling that
the aviation software will arrive before the device goes obsolete.
I have used almost all of the available in-flight apps for the phone/pad.
Now that Apple officially allows 3rd party multitasking, I run both
Foreflight and AirNavPro and flip between them. AirNav has global map/navaid coverage, btw.
I no longer use Skycharts because it is far more cumbersome and slow.
I reject WingX because its user interface is a dog and it is far more
expensive.
I reject Jepp and AirGuide for the same reasons
What I have seen in Flying, P&P, Kitplanes, IFR etc about these apps is
unreliable. No real reviews have appeared, what has been
been printed have been re-written press releases from advertisers.
The GPS chipset in the iPad is more sensitive than that in the iPhone 3gs,
but not as sensitive as a Garmin dash-mount automotive like my Nuvi
255w.
Here's a simple test, fly commercial transport a/c somewhere in a window
seat. Fire up iPhone, iPad, and Nuvi next to window. iPhone will rarely
lock in flight, iPad will usually lock on (say 70-80% of time from cold start),
and Nuvi will always lock (at least I have not yet seen it fail). There are some iOS
GPS oddities in the phone where a good lock prevails during
taxi, takeoff and climb, then fails as if some groundspeed / altitude
limit is in the software ( well above Europa performance profile!!).
It was fun and gratifying however to track my progress over the mid
atlantic at 520 kts gs and FL390 enroute to/from Rio last month on my
iPad with AirNavPro. Nine hour flight and the battery lasted the whole trip
with perhaps 75% duty cycle and dimmed screen.
The next big thing ought to be georeferenced approach plates if the
vendors decide that the outboard GPS modules are that much better than
the iPad internal system. I'd spring for an external gps in exchange
for the live plates 
Best Wishes for the New Year!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:16 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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Ira, I can find NavPro in my App store but not AirNavPro. Are we missing
something in the UK? Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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Apple, or Radio Shack has a power charging cord which plugs into a panel
mounted cigarette lighter receptacle. I use one.
Garry Stout
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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:29 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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When using the iPad (with Foreflight app) IN THE AIR, don't turn off the 3G
function. You'll be left with only Wi-Fi capability which is nonexistent in
the air. In most sections of the country you'll still have internet
connectivity via 3G cell towers, so you can get weather downloads, etc. The
3G cell tower service is not 100% as when flying over some more remote
sections of the country you'll be out of range of any cell towers, but my
experience is that I'm seldom out of service for more than about 10 or 15
minutes.
Garry Stout
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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:36 am Post subject: phones for flying |
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With fairly extensive cross country experience using the iPad, I've found
about 4 to 5 hours of useful battery life.........no way can I get 8 hours.
Garry Stout
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