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Tim Olson
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 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:24 am Post subject: WingX 7 for iPad |
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Well, I was checking updates last night for my iPad2, and ran
across WingX 7 Pro being updated to version 5. It has now
solidified its place as my favorite in-flight app for the ipad.
Foreflight is still my favorite for weather, but, WingX 7
just blew it out of the water for in-flight use.
I don't have time for a full write-up but got excited so I
posted pics here:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/IFR/WingX/R1/
Note that everything is geo-referenced, and now they even
add features like integration with ADS-B for weather,
so you can even take and hook it up to NavWorX and get
weather in cockpit on your iPad. There are just too
many features to list here, so check out the screenshots
I took and read through the New Feature List part.
I fired it up and it was really zippy on the iPad2, also,
so I'm going to give it a good run-through on my next
trip.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:03 pm Post subject: WingX 7 for iPad |
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Tim,
To be clear since the HiltonSoftware site is not; you pay
$99.00/year for the WingX Pro 7 plus another $75.00 for the Seattle
Avionics chart data subscription. And you pay $149 for ForeFlight HD Pro
that includes the Seattle Avionics chart data subscription? Does that
sound right?
Oh... I have a lifetime subscription to Seattle Avionics but for
PC Tablets that I have never used.
Thanks,
Robin
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:41 am Post subject: WingX 7 for iPad |
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I believe that is right. Foreflight is something like $79/yr
for the standard version, and $149 for the HD Pro version that
gives the Seattle Avionics Geo-referencing. WingX is $99/yr
for their software, plus $75/yr for Seattle Avionics geo-referencing.
Also, on WingX, you can optionally buy the fuel pricing from 100LL.com
for I think $29. Personally, I paid something like $299 on a
special, for the Seattle Avionics data subscription for the
"lifetime" benefit again. It's used on a handful of apps
(not Foreflight, which ticked me off a bit), so it's semi-portable.
I thought at the time the SA data was $99, but now I see it's
$75.
Now, keep in mind that for both versions, paying that extra
$75 ONLY gives you the benefit of geo-referenced approach
plates, for the most part...I'm pretty sure that's the case
on Foreflight, and I think it's true for WingX too. So, you
can still view regular approach plates without paying that
extra charge, for someone who wants to try it out without
breaking the bank. All it does is put your airplane on the
approach plate so you know exactly where you are. Some people
will care, some won't. For non-IFR pilots, I wouldn't even
bother.
The fuel pricing is nicer on WingX. On Foreflight, you get
great fuel pricing included but only when you have internet
access. On WingX, you download the database and it's on the
iPad when you fly. So for me, that's a huge benefit, because
I often will reroute in-flight for various reasons and that
allows me to quickly pick lower priced fuel stops...and I
can easily pay for $29 in ONE fuel stop. In fact, you
can save enough if you fly a couple big trips a year
that you can pay for the entire APP!
When it comes to the apps themselves, Foreflight really
kicks butt when it comes to weather, and they were doing
great with sectionals and low-enroute charts and things like
that. But, WingX really blew them out of the water on
the in-flight functionality, especially with this new release.
Just the way the main map screen is put together, it makes
it very easy to transition from screen to screen. You can
load a plan, fly it, and hit buttons like "approach" that
will automatically bring up the destination approach plate.
So it's very handy. I haven't flown with this latest
release, so I'm hoping it's just as straight forward, but
it looks like it will be. The terrain enhanced sectionals
and stuff are pretty nice, too.
To be straightforward, I should tell you that my Foreflight
subscription recently turned non-standard. I had just
renewed and paid $125/yr, which was the plan for covering
2 iPhones and 1 iPad, when Andrea got her iPhone and we
switched to Verizon. So I thought I was all set, at $125/yr.
But then a couple days later they released the HD version.
I emailed them a little ticked off because I wanted to
at least TRY HD for a year, knowing the WingX really looked
better in flight (i.e. I would recommend WingX as an
in-flight app rather than pay extra for foreflight HD, but
I still would recommend Foreflight standard for pre-flight),
but I thought, since I, on my own dime, like to try these
apps and tell y'all about them, it would be stupid for me
not to try the HD version. But, to upgrade my plan, they
then wanted something like $250 or some huge number like
that, which as you can see is double the $125 I had paid
a couple days ago. So, they did a custom upgrade for me
so I could use it for a year on one iPhone and iPad and
still have Andrea's phone on the account....so I didn't
have to pay all the way up to $250 but some price I don't
remember, that's in between. If it weren't for the wife's
phone, pricing would be simpler.
That brings up one other big big difference....
With Foreflight, you can load the software on all your
iDevices...but you can only sign in on one iPhone, and
one iPad, with the subscription (the standard one).
So for me and Andrea, you have to start doing special
things/plans, to cover both our phones. She just likes
Foreflight for the WX, as it's just so awesome for that.
Now that we have an iPad 2, I wanted to put it on both
iPads so I could choose which one I used in-flight. Well,
I can only have ONE of them signed in at a time. The issue
for me is, I have a jailbroken old iPad that works great
with my Bluetooth GPS. iOS 4.3 isn't jailbroken yet, so
the iPad 2 I'm forced to use the GPS that's built-in,
unless I buy the plug-in one. I know others like the
plug-in one, but I think it sucks to have one more thing
to plug in during flight, especially if you can bang it
and damage the port or the device. Bluetooth GPS is
really ideal. (The other one that's wi-fi wouldn't
be so bad) But I also already own 3 of those bluetooth
GPS's, so I want it that way. So this means that on our
next trip, I have to figure out which iPad I want to use,
and stick with it until I can sign in/out again, and give
the other one to the kids for movies. Not a huge deal,
but, it just shows that each iPad isn't equal. I'll probably
use the iPad 2 on the way down, just to see how the GPS
works. If it doesn't work great, I'll get fuel and swap
the sign-in.
Now, with WingX, as long as the devices are on the same iTunes
account, I have WingX Pro 7 on BOTH iPads, and it works
simultaneously, without signing in and out. So, if you are
planning to play with it on multiple devices, that's a benefit
too. You can have a "backup ipad" that way, ready to go.
So see, I'm not totally burned, because since WingX is really
the best in-flight app right now, and it works on both,
it's what I'm probably going to be using anyway.
WingX on the iPhone though, is much less useful. I don't
even use it, really. Right now, today, I consider it
worthless compared to Foreflight. So if you're an iPhone
user, stick to only Foreflight. See, that's where it gets
so complicated...one app is better on one platform and one
on the other....at least with foreflight, you get free
usage on an iPad too....so we can have awesome weather planning
at the hotel using foreflight.
Now, on to your last thing....Yes, as you know, I too have
a lifetime Voyager (Seattle Avionics) data subscription at the
EFB level. So, personally, I wasn't thrilled to spend all
the money on these other apps. But, I'm a geek, so I did.
Hopefully it helps others out a bit. Right now, Voyager
is fairly useless to me, simply due to the hardware. I use
it for planning trips from my PC, but with WingX as far as it
is, it's basically not worth me bringing the old LE1600 into
the cockpit anymore. The battery life sucks compared to
iPad. Using a stylus sucks compared to iPad. The display
is less bright than iPad. (See the attached .jpgs...3 is
the iPad, 6 is the LE1600 WITH the viewanywhere display)
(Note, the ipad has a Brando Anti-Glare protector on it!)
The weight of LE1600 is much more than iPad. The charger
is many times bulkier and heavier than iPad. The LE1600
sucks as a movie platform, iPad rocks. The list is endless.
So, there isn't much place for Voyager right now for me,
as long as they aren't on iPad. There is ONE exception.
I reviewed the capabilities on this trip to Mexico. WingX
is USELESS in Mexico. No charts, no database that includes
Mexican airports. Probably not canada either...so Alaska
fliers may not like it for flying up through Canada. Foreflight
actually has the airports in the database, but no sectional
view available, and I think the only map that shows up
requires internet access to see the map, and doesn't display
the airports in Mexico. So at least Foreflight can plan
distances and give you headings and things to save your butt.
Voyager, however, has not only the database, but displays
airways in canada, and gives you airports and terrain. If
I remember right from playing with it a couple weeks ago,
it looks like you can use Voyager to fly in Mexico and Canada
without too much issue. So, on my mexico trip, I do
plan to lug that freakin' tablet along, just hoping not
to use it too much. The iPad can load (using goodreader
is how I did it) the government provided CH-22 WAC chart
that covers mexico though, in .tif form....so, I actually
was able to use iPad to view the WAC and that will work
just fine...it won't give you any GPS stuff, or put
you on the map, but you can at least not carry a paper
chart.
I have emailed the folks at Seattle Avionics and expressed
my displeasure with them not getting an iPad app going
fast enough. It sounds like they have been very busy
(obviously), getting their DATA into all the other apps
that they could. They are really our only hope against
Jeppesen, for reasonably priced NavData, so I'm glad that
they are so ingrained into all these apps. In the past,
they have told me that if/when they do an iPad app,
your lifetime subscription will be applicable to that app.
That is a big relief. They also told me I should expect
to see some really cool news around Sun-N-Fun (i'm hoping
it's true), and that I'll see even BIGGER news around
OSH. So, perhaps by late summer we'll have something else
that will come in and take the place on my iPad of
Foreflight and WingX, or at least one of them.
Also, regarding voyager, they told me that they just started
a NEW PROGRAM for iPad folks, where if you've bought an iPad
subscription for any of their partners programs, then
they'll discount a year of Voyager subscription 50%, so VFR
that's $99 is only $49, for instance, and VFR+IFR that's
$199 is only $99, and EFB at $299 is only $149.
They're doing this to provide some relief in the interim
until they have something else in place to offer.
Wow, that went on far longer than I thought it would.
Guess I better start actual work work now. 
At any rate, I love these apps, all 3 of them, for various
reasons. Ideally they'd all be available in one
platform (iPad) and you wouldn't need any other platform.
If any of them could do on iPad what Voyager does on PC,
I wouldn't even USE a PC for anything flight planning
related anymore...I'd only use an iPad. Presently
though, I like to PC plan on Voyager, Weather plan (and
file) on Foreflight, and then actually fly, with
WingX (in the US 50). Sadly, that costs some money, but,
with lifetime subscriptions in place, the annual cost
could be as low as $75+$129 (Foreflight standard +
WingX with fuel, free Voyager with my lifetime). That's
pretty cheap compared to the truckload of cash I
have to pay Jepp for their NavData on my 2 systems
in the plane....and the above software is even
easier to keep current.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 3/21/2011 8:57 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
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Tim,
To be clear since the HiltonSoftware site is not; you pay
$99.00/year for the WingX Pro 7 plus another $75.00 for the Seattle
Avionics chart data subscription. And you pay $149 for ForeFlight HD Pro
that includes the Seattle Avionics chart data subscription? Does that
sound right?
Oh... I have a lifetime subscription to Seattle Avionics but for
PC Tablets that I have never used.
Thanks,
Robin
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nukeflyboy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: WingX 7 for iPad |
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Tim,
We really appreciate you being on the leading edge to help guide us not-so-geeky folks. I have been looking at ht iPad2 and wondering which one we need for these apps. Do recommend the 16, 32, or 64GB?
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:35 pm Post subject: WingX 7 for iPad |
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Hi Dave,
Personally, I get only the 64Gb version with 3G. This is because only the 3G versions have a built-in gps, and that can be very handy. Mine actually works well that way so often I only use the built-in gps, especially in the car. The 16Gb version would just work for most people if they only want it for one main app, like foreflight or wingX. But, I would never ever go with a 16....always get at least 32Gb. The aviation chart and plates take up quite a bit if space. At 32GB, most people would be ok with a couple good, big, charting apps and some other stuff.
64GB will give you the option for storage for lots of music, or a dozen or more movies for layovers waiting for weather, or for kids entertainment. So I always go big. In fact, I'm a bit disappointed that the iPad2 didn't come with 128GB, because I would have got that one just for movie space for the kids.
One other tip....I use Goodreader, and with that, I have almost every manual for every item jn the plane, in .PDF form on the ipad, and also put PDF prints of websites and stuff for vacations on the ipad....and copies of the ASRS form, and insurance policy,
Copies of my pilot cert, medical, airworthiness, radio station license, and just about every bit of info anyone could need...all on the ipad with me on my trips. So, it's very handy for all of that stuff too.
In fact, on this trip to Mexico, I needed CH-22 WAC. Rather than buy it, I downloaded the zipped .tif from the government, and good reader displays it great....so still paper free....and cash free.
You'll never be sorry for going too big....just broke. 
Tim
On Mar 24, 2011, at 10:23 PM, "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> wrote:
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Tim,
We really appreciate you being on the leading edge to help guide us not-so-geeky folks. I have been looking at ht iPad2 and wondering which one we need for these apps. Do recommend the 16, 32, or 64GB?
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - FWF
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:51 am Post subject: WingX 7 for iPad |
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That is very true.
Wingx currently does it far better in flight, is all.
Although, if ALL you care about in-flight is geo-ref approach plates and not moving map, ads-b, and stuff like that, foreflight will be the better choice in flight.
Tim
On Mar 25, 2011, at 12:26 AM, Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com (robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com)> wrote:
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Regarding WingX 7 for the ipad. I spoke with Seattle Avionics yesterday and they said if you purchase the SA subscription for WingX 7 the same subscription would drive both Beacon & Sky Radar. I took a quick look at both apps and didn’t see anything special if one already has ForeFlight and WingX7 however I claim to be no expert. I do know that the SA data is included with the ForeFlight HD Pro app (at a higher subscription rate) and not usable with any other app.
Robin
From: [url=mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com]owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)[/url] [mailto:[url=mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com]owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)[/url]] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
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Hi Dave,
Personally, I get only the 64Gb version with 3G. This is because only the 3G versions have a built-in gps, and that can be very handy. Mine actually works well that way so often I only use the built-in gps, especially in the car. The 16Gb version would just work for most people if they only want it for one main app, like foreflight or wingX. But, I would never ever go with a 16....always get at least 32Gb. The aviation chart and plates take up quite a bit if space. At 32GB, most people would be ok with a couple good, big, charting apps and some other stuff.
64GB will give you the option for storage for lots of music, or a dozen or more movies for layovers waiting for weather, or for kids entertainment. So I always go big. In fact, I'm a bit disappointed that the iPad2 didn't come with 128GB, because I would have got that one just for movie space for the kids.
One other tip....I use Goodreader, and with that, I have almost every manual for every item jn the plane, in .PDF form on the ipad, and also put PDF prints of websites and stuff for vacations on the ipad....and copies of the ASRS form, and insurance policy,
Copies of my pilot cert, medical, airworthiness, radio station license, and just about every bit of info anyone could need...all on the ipad with me on my trips. So, it's very handy for all of that stuff too.
In fact, on this trip to Mexico, I needed CH-22 WAC. Rather than buy it, I downloaded the zipped .tif from the government, and good reader displays it great....so still paper free....and cash free.
You'll never be sorry for going too big....just broke.
Tim
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LarryRosen
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:35 am Post subject: WingX 7 for iPad |
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In this months issue of IFR magazine there is an article "Our Favorite
Apps". Here are some of the highlights from the article.
iPad as MFD:WingX
"For an airplane without an MFD or, perhaps, even a GPS, WingX Pro is
the weapon of choice. It is the closest thing to a portable GPS out
there with critical features like groundspeed and track, terrain
awareness and easy direct-to routing."
Masterful Design: ForeFlight
"If the aircraft we're hopping into already has a good GPS and MFD, then
we usually fire up ForeFlight Mobile. While not quite as feature rich
as WingX, ForeFlight is simply easier to use and, in our opinion, more
pleasing on the eyes. If there was an award for elegance in software,
ForeFlight would win it."
Fingertip WX: Pilot MyCast
"The third prong in the triumvirate of our go-to apps is Garmin's Pilot
MyCast. If you primarily want weather, this is the app for you. At
$10/month, it's an extra expense for convenience - ForeFlight does
almost everything MyCast does, if not quite as easily - but when we want
to get a crystal clear weather picture, right now, on the iPhone, we
launch MyCast."
The Bargain: SkyCharts Pro
"While not a powerful or elegant as the competition, SkyCharts Por does
the job for a bargain price: $20/year for VFR, IFR and approach charts.
Just be sure to tell the program to cache approach charts if you want
them in flight."
If you want to read more, let me know via email off list.
Larry Rosen
RV-10 #356
Still Building
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