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Kelly McMullen
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 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:58 pm Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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I believe the Bad Elf GPS has a pass through connector so the dock
port is still available, at least from the description I recall. But I
agree I wouldn't want an appendage there.
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
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I'd agree with what Jesse said. My preference order
would probably be something like:
Jailbroken iPad with Bluetooth GPS (not available yet on iPad2)
Built-in iPad2 GPS (Verizon)
Built-in Ipad2 GPS (AT&T)
GNS GPS
Bad Elf GPS
This isn't because of ease of use, but more because the last
thing I want is something plugged in all the time to bang
around. Also, I have 2A usb chargers in the plane, and it
would be nice to be able to charge the iPad when you want to
and not have the dock port used.
Personally, I've given the iPad 1 over to the kids for basically
movie use in flight, so even though I have a Jailbroken iPad 1,
that works great with Bluetooth (I've used both Roqy-BT and
BTStack GPS and both work fine), I've decided to just use
the built-in iPad 2 GPS for the time being. Once I can jailbreak
it again, I'll probably still use the built-in, because it
works real well. If I had to actually rely on it for
something really really critical, I'd consider using the
Bluetooth in that situation. But I don't think I'll bother
with the others. If I had a non-3G version, I would use
the GNS, because it would be wire-free.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 4/12/2011 4:34 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
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> The way I use and handle my iPad, I would be afraid of breaking the Bad
> Elf. I am jailbroken, so I use a Holux GPS that I put up on the glare
> shield and it works extremely well. I wouldn't want something attached to
> the iPad, but that's just me.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Apr 12, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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>> The GNS after a certain serial number and the Bad Elf are both WAAS.
>> Depends on how you feel about wired/hard connection vs bluetooth where
>> GPS can be placed in most favorable window.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Marcus Cooper<coop85(at)verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Slightly different question for the external iPad GPS options. I bought
>>> an iPad 2 but non-3G as I really didn't need the 3G and the previous iPad
>>> reports indicated an external GPS would be better. Looks like I should have
>>> gone 3G, but water under the bridge so the question now is to go with the
>>> Bad Elf or the other approved model that links via Bluetooth? My plan was
>>> the non-plug-in kind so I could set the GPS on the dash. My Garmin 496
>>> occasionally loses the GPS signal when I have it sitting on the tunnel and I
>>> suspected the iPad laying on my lap or mounted on the tunnel would have the
>>> same issue with the Bad Elf.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>>> 40286
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>> On Apr 10, 2011, at 7:21 AM, jkreidler wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jkreidler"<jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com>
>>>>
>>>> The internal GPS works fine for on road or in flight use. You do not
>>>> have to have a data subscription to use the GPS you only have to ignore the
>>>> pop up that keeps asking you if you want to add a data subscription. One
>>>> little detail, if you turn on airplane mode the GPS also gets turned off.
>>>> You want to turn off wifi and cellular data separately, then the GPS still
>>>> works.
>>>>
>>>> This is not to say that the built in GPS is great, I am sure the
>>>> external receivers are better. But we have been flying with only the
>>>> internal GPS for almost a year now and find the accuracy and lock to be just
>>>> fine.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Jason Kreidler
>>>> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
>>>> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
>>>> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336503#336503
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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I thought it had a mini USB connector for power to itself & the iPad.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
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On Apr 12, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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I believe the Bad Elf GPS has a pass through connector so the dock
port is still available, at least from the description I recall. But I
agree I wouldn't want an appendage there.
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'd agree with what Jesse said. My preference order
> would probably be something like:
>
> Jailbroken iPad with Bluetooth GPS (not available yet on iPad2)
> Built-in iPad2 GPS (Verizon)
> Built-in Ipad2 GPS (AT&T)
> GNS GPS
> Bad Elf GPS
>
> This isn't because of ease of use, but more because the last
> thing I want is something plugged in all the time to bang
> around. Also, I have 2A usb chargers in the plane, and it
> would be nice to be able to charge the iPad when you want to
> and not have the dock port used.
>
> Personally, I've given the iPad 1 over to the kids for basically
> movie use in flight, so even though I have a Jailbroken iPad 1,
> that works great with Bluetooth (I've used both Roqy-BT and
> BTStack GPS and both work fine), I've decided to just use
> the built-in iPad 2 GPS for the time being. Once I can jailbreak
> it again, I'll probably still use the built-in, because it
> works real well. If I had to actually rely on it for
> something really really critical, I'd consider using the
> Bluetooth in that situation. But I don't think I'll bother
> with the others. If I had a non-3G version, I would use
> the GNS, because it would be wire-free.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 4/12/2011 4:34 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The way I use and handle my iPad, I would be afraid of breaking the Bad
>> Elf. I am jailbroken, so I use a Holux GPS that I put up on the glare
>> shield and it works extremely well. I wouldn't want something attached to
>> the iPad, but that's just me.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The GNS after a certain serial number and the Bad Elf are both WAAS.
>>> Depends on how you feel about wired/hard connection vs bluetooth where
>>> GPS can be placed in most favorable window.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Marcus Cooper<coop85(at)verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Slightly different question for the external iPad GPS options. I bought
>>>> an iPad 2 but non-3G as I really didn't need the 3G and the previous iPad
>>>> reports indicated an external GPS would be better. Looks like I should have
>>>> gone 3G, but water under the bridge so the question now is to go with the
>>>> Bad Elf or the other approved model that links via Bluetooth? My plan was
>>>> the non-plug-in kind so I could set the GPS on the dash. My Garmin 496
>>>> occasionally loses the GPS signal when I have it sitting on the tunnel and I
>>>> suspected the iPad laying on my lap or mounted on the tunnel would have the
>>>> same issue with the Bad Elf.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marcus
>>>> 40286
>>>>
>>>> do not archive
>>>> On Apr 10, 2011, at 7:21 AM, jkreidler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "jkreidler"<jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> The internal GPS works fine for on road or in flight use. You do not
>>>>> have to have a data subscription to use the GPS you only have to ignore the
>>>>> pop up that keeps asking you if you want to add a data subscription. One
>>>>> little detail, if you turn on airplane mode the GPS also gets turned off.
>>>>> You want to turn off wifi and cellular data separately, then the GPS still
>>>>> works.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not to say that the built in GPS is great, I am sure the
>>>>> external receivers are better. But we have been flying with only the
>>>>> internal GPS for almost a year now and find the accuracy and lock to be just
>>>>> fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Jason Kreidler
>>>>> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
>>>>> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
>>>>> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336503#336503
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amekler
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Tim,
I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works great and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and displays your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I’m using foreflight and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight subscription expires in May. One thing I don’t like about foreflight is the plane moves and you have to move the map image to keep up with it. This requires attention constantly if you are zoomed in. Is wing X the same way? If would be nice to have  a moving map program on the IPAD not a moving airplane.
Alan
N668G
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Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)>
How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
internal?
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
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> Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works good.
> Tim
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:22 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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Awesome. Sorry so short...am driving. Just checked it in the car and Wingx moves the map so it would work.
Tim
On Apr 23, 2011, at 10:39 PM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler(at)metrocast.net (amekler(at)metrocast.net)> wrote:
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Tim,
I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works great and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and displays your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I’m using foreflight and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight subscription expires in May. One thing I don’t like about foreflight is the plane moves and you have to move the map image to keep up with it. This requires attention constantly if you are zoomed in. Is wing X the same way? If would be nice to have a moving map program on the IPAD not a moving airplane.
Alan
N668G
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <[url=mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com]philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)[/url]> wrote:
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My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <[url=mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com]apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)[/url]> wrote:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <[url=mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com]apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)[/url]>
How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
internal?
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]>
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> Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works good.
> Tim
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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Foreflight moves the map, you just need to hit the little arrow or triangle icon. It will recenter the map on the plane and keep the plane in the center of the map. Unless you touch and zoom or zoom out, then you need to hit the little arrow icon again.
I haven't used WingX yet, but I absolutely love Foreflight!
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 23, 2011, at 11:39 PM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler(at)metrocast.net (amekler(at)metrocast.net)> wrote:
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Tim,
I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works great and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and displays your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I’m using foreflight and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight subscription expires in May. One thing I don’t like about foreflight is the plane moves and you have to move the map image to keep up with it. This requires attention constantly if you are zoomed in. Is wing X the same way? If would be nice to have a moving map program on the IPAD not a moving airplane.
Alan
N668G
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <[url=mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com]philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)[/url]> wrote:
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My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <[url=mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com]apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)[/url]> wrote:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <[url=mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com]apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)[/url]>
How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
internal?
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]>
>
> Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works good.
> Tim
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amekler
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:42 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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Tim,
I just got this reply from foreflight. I don’t have the HD version. Deciding which on to go with .
Alan
Hi Alan,
No problem. The charts in ForeFlight HD can be used in either mode (moving map/moving airplane). To toggle this, use the crosshairs icon in the far upper right of the 'Maps' view.
Note that if you toggle this on, the map will stay centered on your aircraft and you won't have to pan the map- but if you *do* pan the map manually, the auto-center feature disengages, so you'd need to use the icon again to re-engage.
Give that a try and let us know if you continue to have difficulty or any other questions arise -- we're happy to help!
Best Regards,
Jeff Schuster
ForeFlight Customer Support
ForeFlight LLC
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:17 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
Awesome. Sorry so short...am driving. Just checked it in the car and Wingx moves the map so it would work.
Tim
On Apr 23, 2011, at 10:39 PM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler(at)metrocast.net (amekler(at)metrocast.net)> wrote:
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Tim,
I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works great and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and displays your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I’m using foreflight and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight subscription expires in May. One thing I don’t like about foreflight is the plane moves and you have to move the map image to keep up with it. This requires attention constantly if you are zoomed in. Is wing X the same way? If would be nice to have a moving map program on the IPAD not a moving airplane.
Alan
N668G
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)>
How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
internal?
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
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> Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works good.
> Tim
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:49 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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Mike,
I don’t have the HD version so I don’t have this feature.
Alan
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 1:27 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
Foreflight moves the map, you just need to hit the little arrow or triangle icon. It will recenter the map on the plane and keep the plane in the center of the map. Unless you touch and zoom or zoom out, then you need to hit the little arrow icon again.
I haven't used WingX yet, but I absolutely love Foreflight!
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 23, 2011, at 11:39 PM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler(at)metrocast.net (amekler(at)metrocast.net)> wrote:
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Tim,
I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works great and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and displays your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I’m using foreflight and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight subscription expires in May. One thing I don’t like about foreflight is the plane moves and you have to move the map image to keep up with it. This requires attention constantly if you are zoomed in. Is wing X the same way? If would be nice to have a moving map program on the IPAD not a moving airplane.
Alan
N668G
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)>
How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
internal?
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
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> Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works good.
> Tim
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:21 am Post subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question |
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That's one thing about foreflight....they have awesome support.
WingX is beating them in in-flight features but they still have zoom-to-TAC chart and the best filing/briefing/weather, so I can't see dropping them, even though I use WingX more while flying. In contrast I basically never use Wingx on the ground.
Tim
On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:36 AM, "Alan Mekler" <amekler(at)metrocast.net (amekler(at)metrocast.net)> wrote:
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Tim,
I just got this reply from foreflight. I don’t have the HD version. Deciding which on to go with .
Alan
Hi Alan,
No problem. The charts in ForeFlight HD can be used in either mode (moving map/moving airplane). To toggle this, use the crosshairs icon in the far upper right of the 'Maps' view.
Note that if you toggle this on, the map will stay centered on your aircraft and you won't have to pan the map- but if you *do* pan the map manually, the auto-center feature disengages, so you'd need to use the icon again to re-engage.
Give that a try and let us know if you continue to have difficulty or any other questions arise -- we're happy to help!
Best Regards,
Jeff Schuster
ForeFlight Customer Support
ForeFlight LLC
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:17 PM
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
Awesome. Sorry so short...am driving. Just checked it in the car and Wingx moves the map so it would work.
Tim
On Apr 23, 2011, at 10:39 PM, "Alan Mekler" <[url=mailto:amekler(at)metrocast.net]amekler(at)metrocast.net (amekler(at)metrocast.net)[/url]> wrote:
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Tim,
I starting using the Dual xgps150 Bluetooth gps with my ipad2. It works great and has an app that shows battery life as well as satellites and displays your position on Google earth. It locks on fast. I’m using foreflight and considering changing to wingX when my foreflight subscription expires in May. One thing I don’t like about foreflight is the plane moves and you have to move the map image to keep up with it. This requires attention constantly if you are zoomed in. Is wing X the same way? If would be nice to have a moving map program on the IPAD not a moving airplane.
Alan
N668G
From: [url=mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com]owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)[/url] [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:46 AM
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
I didn't really care about altitude. IMHO, lateral is really the only thing that matters. Trusting any cheap gps for vertical guidance isn't something I'd want to to. That said, my ipad 2 gps was pretty close to actual altitude when I looked a couple times on this trip. But, you're better off using baro altitudes. If you're relying on the ipad to be a backup vertical approach gps, bad elf or not, you're putting too much faith in it.
Tim
On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Phillip Perry <[url=mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com]philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)[/url]> wrote:
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My internal was absolutely perfect last night on the iPad 2.
On Apr 10, 2011 9:30 AM, "Kelly McMullen" <[url=mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com]apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)[/url]> wrote:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <[url=mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com]apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)[/url]>
How is the altitude accuracy in GPS only mode? I notice substantial
improvement with WAAS equipped GPS vs non-WAAS on altitude, not so
much in horizontal position. Has anyone compared having Bad Elf vs
internal?
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Tim Olson <[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]> wrote:
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> Exactly. The gps in my iPhone 3GS was less quick than either my AT&T or verizon ipad. The worst thing about either is just that you can't put it in full airplane mode. Other than that, it works well. I wish the gps chip was separate and you could turn it on separately. But what Jason said works good.
> Tim
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| Kelly McMullen wrote: | I believe the Bad Elf GPS has a pass through connector so the dock
port is still available, at least from the description I recall. But I
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The Bad Elf GPS does have a pass-thru micro-USB port for charging the iPad during use.
We know there are pros and cons for the dongle form-factor, the big downsides being antenna placement and having something hang off the iPad. I've been flying with it for over a year and neither IMHO are major issues. The upsides are true plug and play operation, zero configuration, and no batteries to keep charged. Not to mention that some pilots just don't like (or aren't allowed to use) Bluetooth in the cockpit.
Luckily there are lots of apps and hardware accessories to match the wide range of personal preferences, all contributing to making the iPad the ultimate EFB. And Bad Elf has some exciting stuff in the works -- looking forward to Oshkosh  .
Brett Hackleman
Bad Elf, LLC
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swrpilot(at)bellsouth.net
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Tim,
I have the LE1600 running Voyager with a lifetime chart data subscription.
I bought it on your suggestion as I needed something that was daylight
viewable. I like it but it is a bit clunky and slow.
I noticed you are now (also?) using an ipad with a Brando anti-glare screen.
What software are you using and are you able to leverage you lifetime
subscription with Seattle Avionics? My primary interest is approach plates.
How is your wife's pilot training coming along? Mine is working on her
instrument rating but still needs about 30 hours of cross country. We hope
to see you guys at OSH, we will be there all week.
Steve Roberts
RV-10 tail kit
1966 Mooney M20E 'Ms. Obsession' KMOR Morristown, TN
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