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steveadams
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Key Ignition Switch |
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A simple toggle switch could fail in this same way, not grounding the mags. The only way you would know is if you tested it to ensure the engine cuts off when you throw the switch. Definitely related to safety, but not an issue in flight.
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George McNutt
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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Those proposed anti theft precautions are going to make for some very
interesting Emergency checklists.
Engine Failure - (1) Dome Light - "ON" (2) Mixture - "RICH" etc..etc.
George in Langley BC
canopy locked & do not archive
Glen wrote:
Quote: | >But in the interests of learning something here, how would you secure your
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I too will be locking my canopy. In addition, there will be a specific
switch configuration for starting. >>>>>snip>>>>>> Those who don't have as
complex an electrical system could easily do the same sort of thing by
requiring the dome light to be on, or an auto pilot armed, or the baggage
light to be on, or >>>>>>>>.
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:37 am Post subject: Key ignition switch |
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I read with interest the sage remarks on safeguarding your aircraft. I have
taken note of the qualities of magnetism in separating concious from
ulterior motives in opening up my treasure. (I am considering a secret code
ring which contains a tiny ultimate magnet - to be brushed past an
unassuming position on the fuselage as I move forward to open the door - a
lesson learnt from Chris Staines).
If the thief wants my electronic gear he will have to prove break-and-enter
practices to aid my insurance folk.
Ferg
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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HI George-
My comment about using the dome light was for illustrative purposes, but my
sense of humor has gotten me into trouble before and I shouldn't put things
that way in this forum. The odd switch in my starter interlock is
conveniently located, altho it is left as an exercise for the reader to
figure out which one it is ; - ) Also, given that a stopped prop implies
either a seized engine or that I'm in the flare to land, I am entirely
comfortable with my particular configuration. I offer it only as food for
thought to those who are interested.
A couple other points on the security side occur to me. As I've been told
in the past by A&P's, there are only something like 13 different key cuts
in all of GA. Having a canopy lock from Home Depot will (hopefully)
increase our odds of keeping crooks out.
Next, the canopy cover that someone suggested is an excellent idea as it
keeps folks from 'casing' the panel and cockpit access provisions.
The last idea is face mounted avionics. As I understand it, the process
for sucessfull avionics pilferring involves pulling a tray mounted and
allen wrench secured set from one plane and then swapping that set with a
second plane. That way, the serial numbers for the 'resold' avionics don't
turn up as stolen. By using face mounted units (BMA, Becker, Val, PSE,
etc) one could theoretically increase the pilfer and swap logistics so much
as to make your plane an unatractive target.
As ever, FWIW, YMMV, yada, yada, yada...
Quote: | Those proposed anti theft precautions are going to make for some very
interesting Emergency checklists.
Engine Failure - (1) Dome Light - "ON" (2) Mixture - "RICH" etc..etc.
George in Langley BC
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Glen wrote:
Quote: | >But in the interests of learning something here, how would you secure your
>airplane other than with a keyed ignition switch?
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I too will be locking my canopy. In addition, there will be a specific
switch configuration for starting. >>>>>snip>>>>>> Those who don't have as
complex an electrical system could easily do the same sort of thing by
requiring the dome light to be on, or an auto pilot armed, or the baggage
light to be on, or >>>>>>>>.
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aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:11 am Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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AeroElectric-List Digest Server wrote:
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>But in the interests of learning something here, how would you secure your
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I too will be locking my canopy. In addition, there will be a specific
switch configuration for starting. For example, when shut down, all
switches will be off.
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I am also voting for the locking canopy. I got a lock from an IBM
computer case. Mounts with just barely a bump on the canopy. The key
is the only external handle to open the canopy with. I'm hoping the
very smooth surface will both throw off the opportunist AND be more
aerodynamic.
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rv8ch
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 250 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:11 am Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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Quote: | The last idea is face mounted avionics. As I understand it, the process
for sucessfull avionics pilferring involves pulling a tray mounted and
allen wrench secured set from one plane and then swapping that set with a
second plane. That way, the serial numbers for the 'resold' avionics don't
turn up as stolen. ...
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Wow - that's amazing. If these crooks would apply that kind of
brainpower to legitimate work, they'd probably make more money.
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http://www.rv8.ch/
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brian

Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 643 Location: Sacramento, California, USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: Key ignition switch |
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Fergus Kyle wrote:
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I read with interest the sage remarks on safeguarding your aircraft. I have
taken note of the qualities of magnetism in separating concious from
ulterior motives in opening up my treasure. (I am considering a secret code
ring which contains a tiny ultimate magnet - to be brushed past an
unassuming position on the fuselage as I move forward to open the door - a
lesson learnt from Chris Staines).
If the thief wants my electronic gear he will have to prove break-and-enter
practices to aid my insurance folk.
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If you want to go the high-tech route and use an electronic key you
might want to look at the iButton technology. They are about the size of
a pair of stacked nickels (US $0.05) and contain memory, processor, and
communications. Your on-board system could query the presence of an
iButton before enabling the aircraft's systems.
http://www.maxim-ic.com/products/ibutton/
Another possibility would be RFID technology. Then you just climb in the
airplane with your RFID tag in your wallet and everything works. If the
RFID tag isn't there, nothing works. Pretty cool magic in that.
Yes, of course this is crazy overkill. Still, these are people's toys
and they want all the really cool stuff.
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:13 am Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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Howard,Â
As well as trying to stop people from taking the plane, how about a system that will track it and tell you where it is. Â I've read about low-cost systems to do that -- a little GPS and GSM device that will text you with co-ordinates once a car alarm has been triggered. Â
My concern with fitting any sort of immobiliser is that it's another system that is designed to stop the aeroplane from flying, and there might be a failure mode that would cause you to have a bad day!
There are loads of good mechanical systems though -- the prop locks and whatnot -- and you could doubtless gain something from looking at the motorcycle security products. Â There are all sorts of very solid bike chains and locks that might help you secure an entire airframe.
Protecting the avionics individually might be more of a problem, but still, there are many types of security screws that will make life difficult for an equipment thief. Â Or perhaps a Kensington lock, used on many a laptop. Â Coupled with a GSM-notifying alarm system, these might create enough of a delay for you to get down to the hangar before the miscreants depart with your chattels. Â
James
On 15 May 2011 17:08, plevyakh <hplevyak(at)mac.com (hplevyak(at)mac.com)> wrote:
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Folks,
I'd like to get some ideas from the forum on how best to secure my airplane.
My concern is both with stealing of the entire plane....to breaking in and stealing the avionics.
What systems are folks using to secure the plane and it's innards?
What do you think would be the cheapest YET most effective?
Some ideas:
1) Â Propeller Lock / Chain:
- http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/product/12054
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/propLockChain.php
2) Â Door Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aerolocksets.php
3) Â Throttle Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/throttlelock.php
or
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/skylock.php
4) Â Battery Lock or Kill Switch
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/batterylock.php
- http://www.jegs.com/i/Flaming+River/898/FR1010/10002/-1
5)  Stick Lock - similar to throttle lock idea….but locks out the controls instead with a padlock and steel bar.
6) Â Aircraft Alarm System
- http://car-alarm-review.toptenreviews.com/viper-car-alarm-review.html
TIA for your thoughts.
Howard
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skywagon
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:57 am Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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I have always thought the "Throttle" lock was robust and not easily defeated. I have seen versions to where you could not get bolt cutters around the lock hasp. Trying to get it off would break the throttle control and then where is the thief.?
Also, the large manual marine battery cutoff switches are reliable, and if you have a secret location to install it and manually switch if OFF every flight. That would take a thief too long to figure out why no power to start the engine. However, if he is a real jerk he might decide to try to hand prop it and fly with no panel.....
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Mike Welch
Joined: 13 Feb 2011 Posts: 272
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:04 am Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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> What do you think would be the cheapest YET most effective?
Quote: | TIA for your thoughts.
Howard
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Howard,
Here is what I would do, if I was worried about losing an airplane
or airplane parts; (cost...about $.50, if that!)
ATTENTION!!!
If you can read this message, you have already activated
a motion detector & video recorder, and
YOU ARE BEING TAPED!!
IF YOU ARE STILL IN THIS VICINITY WITHIN 3 MINUTES,
THE POLICE WILL BE NOTIFIED VIA A MODEM.
YOU HAVE 2 1/2 MINUTES LEFT BEFORE THE POLICE ARE
CALLED. GOOD BYE!!
You also have a small electronic box sitting inside the plane,
with a flashing RED LED. The box is only visible if you are standing
near the plane, even though it blinks 24/7...they think they
just set it off and are being recorded!! Nobody, and I mean NOBODY
is going to do a thing wrong when they think they are on camera!!
Mike Welch
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:17 am Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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Another reason to use P-mags. No electrical power, no engine start.
Bevan
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Subject: Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch
I have always thought the "Throttle" lock was robust and not easily defeated. I have seen versions to where you could not get bolt cutters around the lock hasp. Trying to get it off would break the throttle control and then where is the thief.?
Also, the large manual marine battery cutoff switches are reliable, and if you have a secret location to install it and manually switch if OFF every flight. That would take a thief too long to figure out why no power to start the engine. However, if he is a real jerk he might decide to try to hand prop it and fly with no panel.....
D
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JohnInReno
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:30 am Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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VAF has a forum on APRS Tracking:
This is a real-time tracking system based on HAM radio facilities. To
see it in action:
Hint: Sort by 'speed' to bring airplanes to the top of the list.
john
On 5/15/2011 10:10 AM, James Kilford wrote:
Quote: | Howard,
As well as trying to stop people from taking the plane, how about a
system that will track it and tell you where it is. I've read about
low-cost systems to do that -- a little GPS and GSM device that will
text you with co-ordinates once a car alarm has been triggered.
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plevyakh
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Key Ignition Switch |
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Some good ideas so far. Mike...I really like the simple one of the note and the LED light!
It would be interesting to see if this Gorilla lock could be adapted to lock out the control stick or rudder pedals?
http://www.gorilla-auto.com/the.gorilla.grip.3
I came across this site for GPS tracking devices that don't look too expensive.
http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/gps-tracking-a.html
I will be putting in an APRS tracking device. But it has to be turned on. I'll have to dig into the details on the APRS more and try to see if it could be used as a theft tracking system as well.
You raise a great point about if the thief wants to get in....they will. So how to make them THINK....this airplane is too risky to break into? Or scare them off once they've broken in?
Here's one idea to use a high DB alarm that's triggered when the door is opened.
http://www.defenseproducts101.com/alarms4.html
Anyone use a type of high DB alarm triggered by an opened door? I'd like to rig it up with a keyless ON/OFF switch.
Howard
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:37 pm Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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Greetings,
I recall seeing home alarm systems that actually sprayed some sort of
tear gas automatically. Seems like it would work in a cockpit too.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 05/15/2011 02:18 PM, plevyakh wrote:
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Some good ideas so far. Mike...I really like the simple one of the note and the LED light!
It would be interesting to see if this Gorilla lock could be adapted to lock out the control stick or rudder pedals?
http://www.gorilla-auto.com/the.gorilla.grip.3
I came across this site for GPS tracking devices that don't look too expensive.
http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/gps-tracking-a.html
I will be putting in an APRS tracking device. But it has to be turned on. I'll have to dig into the details on the APRS more and try to see if it could be used as a theft tracking system as well.
You raise a great point about if the thief wants to get in....they will. So how to make them THINK....this airplane is too risky to break into? Or scare them off once they've broken in?
Here's one idea to use a high DB alarm that's triggered when the door is opened.
http://www.defenseproducts101.com/alarms4.html
Anyone use a type of high DB alarm triggered by an opened door? I'd like to rig it up with a keyless ON/OFF switch.
Howard
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hplevyak(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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My grandfather used to say that a lock is only to tell an honest man there's nobody home. Keeping that in mind if possible remove your plugs (install blanks) to immobilize the plane and don't leave any valuables aboard.
One of the reasons I wouldn't leave my plane on the local pond is one day while preparing for a flight a good hearted elderly man took out his pocket knife to check if the plane was actually made of cloth. Luckily I stopped him before he cut a piece out to examine it.
The best way to secure your plane in my mind is to put it in a hangar and leave the doors open. It's a lot easier to secure a steel building than a cloth plane.
Noel
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 1:55 pm Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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If you set up a booby trap and someone gets injured, the perp will own
everything you have! This has happened on more than one occasion.
Do not set up a booby trap!
Bill B
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 2:11 pm Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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Planes are not made of material that will prevent a thief from breaking in and stealing avionics, etc. Alarms will not get anyone's attention. When is the last time you came running over to some idiots car that was alarming!
The security that we have come to hate around airports should help some here.
To prevent the plane from being stolen, my solution is complexity.
To start my plane you must:
Turn on the master, turn on the engine battery, (one alone will not cut it, requires both), turn on power to injectors, turn on power to igniters, turn on power to engine computer, turn on power to fuel pump, set mixture to full rich, give 2-3 squirts of primer, hit start button.
I ain't sayin' that crooks are too stupid to start my plane, but...as long as it took me to figure it out....some intelligence needs to be rewarded!
Bill B
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 2:18 pm Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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> Some good ideas so far. Mike...I really like the simple one of the note
and the LED light!
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How about this . . .
http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/AC_Theft_Protection.jpg
Hardened lock and chain covered in soft leather
or felt sleeve. REALLY hard and time consuming to
get off. Thieves are basically cowards and lazy. They
would move on to somebody else's airplane if they
had to deal with this 'inconvenience'.
We had clients on 1K1 opt for this system. Most
left their doors unlocked. It cost more to repair
doors than to replace radios on most of our
tenant aircraft.
Bob . . .
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N20DG
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject: Key Ignition Switch |
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Yeaah but he can spray paint and get away with it
In a message dated 5/15/2011 4:56:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bbradburry(at)bellsouth.net writes:
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If you set up a booby trap and someone gets injured, the perp will own
everything you have! This has happened on more than one occasion.
Do not set up a booby trap!
Bill B
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