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		Dick Sipp
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:25 pm    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				Looking for winch recommendations for pulling RV-10 into hangar.
   
  Dick Sipp
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		Jim Berry
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				Dick,
 
 Look at the Harbor Freight camouflage winch with remote control for $100, discounted to $70. Works well. I think Tim has this winch also.
 
 Jim Berry
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		rene(at)felker.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:38 am    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				I was going to go the winch route and then decided that the eclectic tow bar
 would be better.  Three years later and a hanger change and I am glad I went
 with the tow bar, a wench would not work very good in my new hanger.  My
 first hanger was a T hanger with the ramp sloping out from the front.  My
 new hanger is square 60X60 and depending on what else I have in the hanger
 at the time, the plane gets moved around.
 
 I know this does not answer your question directly, but it is something to
 think about.
 
 There is a big difference in cost between the winch and the eclectic tow
 bar.......
 
 Rene' Felker
 N423CF
 801-721-6080
 
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		n223rv(at)wolflakeairport Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:53 am    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				What powered tow bars are people using on the -10?
 
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 On May 29, 2011, at 2:34 PM, "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> wrote:
 
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  I was going to go the winch route and then decided that the eclectic tow bar
  would be better.  Three years later and a hanger change and I am glad I went
  with the tow bar, a wench would not work very good in my new hanger.  My
  first hanger was a T hanger with the ramp sloping out from the front.  My
  new hanger is square 60X60 and depending on what else I have in the hanger
  at the time, the plane gets moved around.
  
  I know this does not answer your question directly, but it is something to
  think about.
  
  There is a big difference in cost between the winch and the eclectic tow
  bar.......
  
  Rene' Felker
  N423CF
  801-721-6080
  
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:15 am    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				This is the one I use.
 
 http://www.powertow.com/12V.html
 
 Rene' Felker
 N423CF
 801-721-6080
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		Kellym
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:52 am    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				Every time I suggest a hangar wench, my wife vetoes the concept.  
 She thinks there is a mistress nearby the airport anyway, since I spend 
 so much time there.
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 12:13 pm    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				Maybe someone will still have the magazine, but there was pretty good article on building an electric towbar yourself not too long again in Sport Aviation (I think).
 
 Marcus
 
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  This is the one I use.
  
  http://www.powertow.com/12V.html
  
  Rene' Felker
  N423CF
  801-721-6080
  
  
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 12:18 pm    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				sounds like we have some wusses; just kidding. I am 66 and still muscle my 
 10 with full fuel in/out the hangar.
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 12:42 pm    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				I agree, I am a wuss.  But, north facing hanger in the winter made it almost
 impossible to do it by myself.  
 
 Now that I have it....I would not do without, just makes it so much easier.
 I leave it hooked up all the time........except when I fly of course......
 
 Rene'
 801-721-6080
 
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		Tim Olson
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 1:18 pm    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				On 2" ice?
 
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  sounds like we have some wusses; just kidding. I am 66 and still muscle my 10 with full fuel in/out the hangar.
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		Albert Gardner
 
  
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 2:28 pm    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				I built my own based on an article in Kitplanes called something like "Build
 a tow Bar for $10". Mine ran more than that, got the tires with bearings
 from Harbor Freight, a friend gave me a 24V gearmoter, batteries from
 Walmart and the 1" square tube for the frame from Lowes. The 24V motor was
 nice as it gave me 2 speeds. An over-center link keeps it clamped to the
 front wheel. I've since added LED lights for night use. About $150 I think.
 The Kitplanes article guy used a windshield wiper motor and made his own
 sprockets.
 Albert Gardner
 N991RV
 Yuma, AZ
 (A wench to operate is extra)
 
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 3:17 pm    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				I don't think we got 2 x 10-6 inches here in AZ.
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 3:19 pm    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				" How much is that wench in the window"
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		Tim Olson
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 9:07 pm    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				I did shoot Dick an offline reply, but Jim is right.
 I have the wireless remote Harbor Freight winch. It
 does do the job well for me when it's icy.  It isn't
 what I'd recommend to someone who needs to use one
 every day though.  It's a slow winch, which is good,
 but it only moves a few inches per click of the button.
 So it takes a while to get in the hangar.  The spool
 is pretty small too, so unrolling the cable to hook
 it up isn't so fun.  The winch isn't super bad, but
 it isn't really as nice as a good quality pro winch
 either.  So while I like it for occasional use, I'd
 recommend either a power tow of some sort, or a better
 winch if you use it a lot.  In the winter, I'm not
 sure how a power tow would work for me. I'm sure if
 they make them with spike tires they'd work though,
 but hopefully not tear up the pavement.  The winch
 works best for winter I'd think, because when I need
 it, it's because the snow plow left slush or ice in
 front of my hangar and you can't even walk.  There
 the winch is priceless.
 
 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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				 Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:14 am    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				At my old hanger...in the winter the snow plow would leave about two feet of
 snow in front of the hanger, but the hanger shaded another 10 - 15 feet,
 which all turns to ice.  The powertow has a tire that is about 5 - 6 inches
 wide (contact area).  I had a bag of sand in my hanger and just spread some
 on the ice.  Worked great.  In my new hanger, the floor is smooth concrete
 and I have to push down on the powertow to get it started some time.  I get
 less traction on the concrete than I did on the ice and sand...
 
 Rene' Felker
 N423CF
 801-721-6080
 
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				 Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				Cool, that's good to know.  I'm not a huge fan of using sand
 around the airport ramp...or heaven forbid, salt.  But it's
 good to know that this gives you good results.  I think I'll
 always have the winch as a fallback, but after seeing Albert's
 homemade tow, I may do that as a summer fun project.  I
 also want to build a tire bead-breaker.  A couple of good things
 to keep me out of trouble since I don't have a plane to build
 and it leaves me at a loss for what to do sometimes.
 
 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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  At my old hanger...in the winter the snow plow would leave about two feet of
  snow in front of the hanger, but the hanger shaded another 10 - 15 feet,
  which all turns to ice.  The powertow has a tire that is about 5 - 6 inches
  wide (contact area).  I had a bag of sand in my hanger and just spread some
  on the ice.  Worked great.  In my new hanger, the floor is smooth concrete
  and I have to push down on the powertow to get it started some time.  I get
  less traction on the concrete than I did on the ice and sand...
 
  Rene' Felker
  N423CF
  801-721-6080
 
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				 Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:30 pm    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				Dick
   
  I use a simple $70 winch that I bought from ALDI on special.   It  runs off a 12 V battery, and has a remote control and cable control  feature.   I have used the winch for the last 5 months and it works  fine.   The winch is slow ... but allows me to easily pull my 10 into  the hangar by myself.   Unrolling the cable is no hassle as there is a  dial to turn, which allows the cable to be pulled out by hand in about 15  seconds.
   
  Regards
   
  Evan
  RV10 VH-OSH 
   
     
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     Looking for winch recommendations for pulling RV-10 into hangar.
   
  Dick Sipp
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				 Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 4:18 pm    Post subject: Aircraft winch recommendation | 
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				This is the Kitplanes article that inspired me to build my own electric tow
 bar. 
 Albert Gardner
 N991RV
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