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		Tim Olson
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:21 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				So yesterday I ordered up my fiberglass cloth
 and some West System epoxy since mine isn't
 good any longer.  I called ACS before I hit
 enter on the order because it said Hazard by
 the line items.  I called and they said that
 it wouldn't have hazardous fees, for such and
 such a reason.  No worries.  My other line items
 were 4 or 5 different weights and types of
 Glass cloth, so I could have some variety
 for things if I wanted.  Total weight maybe
 should have been 5 lbs or so maybe, tops.
 With no hazardous fees, I was happy and good to
 go.
 
 Got a call after ordering (a voicemail) and a
 nice lady said she changed my shipping from 3-day
 to ground, because Ground would be the same speed
 from their GA location, and it would prevent
 hazardous fees if it went by air, and it would
 save me some money.  Still all good.
 
 Got my invoice, and it was almost $50 in shipping.
 Called to figure out why.  Just found out...
 They shipped in 2 boxes, with the epoxy separate,
 to keep it away from the cloth..perhaps a
 flammability issue.  no big deal...2 boxes should
 be cheap.
 
 Where they went haywire was the cloth, of all things.
 I had ordered 1 yard of 4 or 5 different types. It
 shouldn't have weighed more than a couple lbs.
 But, they ROLLED it, on a roll, not folded at all,
 because some people like it that way.  And, due to
 the oversize length dimension, it was then billed at
 the 30lbs!!!! shipping rate.  They called about
 the shipping change to ground...which was nice, but
 I sure wish they'd have called about the oversize
 shipping.  I'd have told them to fold it in half
 at least.
 
 I've heard this same thing happens to people who
 buy heatshrink, so I thought I'd bring it up again.
 They don't roll the heatshrink but send it in long
 long boxes in sections....which then costs a ton.
 
 So, don't assume that ACS will actual think, and always
 work in what YOU think is your best interest.  If you
 order ANYTHING that is possible it could be shipped
 flat, assume that they'll ship it in the worst possible
 way.  From now on, even if I ordered rope from them,
 I'm going to specify "please coil rope"....so they
 don't ship me a 40' rope on a semi flatbed.
 That brought the cost of my little nose fairing up
 to about $139.
 
 -- 
 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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		Kelly McMullen
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:49 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				I would forward your comments to Jim Irwin. You just might get some relief. 
 
 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
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  So yesterday I ordered up my fiberglass cloth
  and some West System epoxy since mine isn't
  good any longer.  I called ACS before I hit
  enter on the order because it said Hazard by
  the line items.  I called and they said that
  it wouldn't have hazardous fees, for such and
  such a reason.  No worries.  My other line items
  were 4 or 5 different weights and types of
  Glass cloth, so I could have some variety
  for things if I wanted.  Total weight maybe
  should have been 5 lbs or so maybe, tops.
  With no hazardous fees, I was happy and good to
  go.
  
  Got a call after ordering (a voicemail) and a
  nice lady said she changed my shipping from 3-day
  to ground, because Ground would be the same speed
  from their GA location, and it would prevent
  hazardous fees if it went by air, and it would
  save me some money.  Still all good.
  
  Got my invoice, and it was almost $50 in shipping.
  Called to figure out why.  Just found out...
  They shipped in 2 boxes, with the epoxy separate,
  to keep it away from the cloth..perhaps a
  flammability issue.  no big deal...2 boxes should
  be cheap.
  
  Where they went haywire was the cloth, of all things.
  I had ordered 1 yard of 4 or 5 different types. It
  shouldn't have weighed more than a couple lbs.
  But, they ROLLED it, on a roll, not folded at all,
  because some people like it that way.  And, due to
  the oversize length dimension, it was then billed at
  the 30lbs!!!! shipping rate.  They called about
  the shipping change to ground...which was nice, but
  I sure wish they'd have called about the oversize
  shipping.  I'd have told them to fold it in half
  at least.
  
  I've heard this same thing happens to people who
  buy heatshrink, so I thought I'd bring it up again.
  They don't roll the heatshrink but send it in long
  long boxes in sections....which then costs a ton.
  
  So, don't assume that ACS will actual think, and always
  work in what YOU think is your best interest.  If you
  order ANYTHING that is possible it could be shipped
  flat, assume that they'll ship it in the worst possible
  way.  From now on, even if I ordered rope from them,
  I'm going to specify "please coil rope"....so they
  don't ship me a 40' rope on a semi flatbed.
  That brought the cost of my little nose fairing up
  to about $139.
  
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		dave.saylor.aircrafters(a Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:50 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				I've received >many< cans of resin that got dented and leaked.  Always
 a big mess.  That may be why they ship it separately now.  And that
 may have been me yelling at ACS about folding the cloth...
 
 Dave Saylor
 AirCrafters
 140 Aviation Way
 Watsonville, CA 95076
 831-722-9141 Shop
 831-750-0284 Cell
 
 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
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  So yesterday I ordered up my fiberglass cloth
  and some West System epoxy since mine isn't
  good any longer.  I called ACS before I hit
  enter on the order because it said Hazard by
  the line items.  I called and they said that
  it wouldn't have hazardous fees, for such and
  such a reason.  No worries.  My other line items
  were 4 or 5 different weights and types of
  Glass cloth, so I could have some variety
  for things if I wanted.  Total weight maybe
  should have been 5 lbs or so maybe, tops.
  With no hazardous fees, I was happy and good to
  go.
 
  Got a call after ordering (a voicemail) and a
  nice lady said she changed my shipping from 3-day
  to ground, because Ground would be the same speed
  from their GA location, and it would prevent
  hazardous fees if it went by air, and it would
  save me some money.  Still all good.
 
  Got my invoice, and it was almost $50 in shipping.
  Called to figure out why.  Just found out...
  They shipped in 2 boxes, with the epoxy separate,
  to keep it away from the cloth..perhaps a
  flammability issue.  no big deal...2 boxes should
  be cheap.
 
  Where they went haywire was the cloth, of all things.
  I had ordered 1 yard of 4 or 5 different types. It
  shouldn't have weighed more than a couple lbs.
  But, they ROLLED it, on a roll, not folded at all,
  because some people like it that way.  And, due to
  the oversize length dimension, it was then billed at
  the 30lbs!!!! shipping rate.  They called about
  the shipping change to ground...which was nice, but
  I sure wish they'd have called about the oversize
  shipping.  I'd have told them to fold it in half
  at least.
 
  I've heard this same thing happens to people who
  buy heatshrink, so I thought I'd bring it up again.
  They don't roll the heatshrink but send it in long
  long boxes in sections....which then costs a ton.
 
  So, don't assume that ACS will actual think, and always
  work in what YOU think is your best interest.  If you
  order ANYTHING that is possible it could be shipped
  flat, assume that they'll ship it in the worst possible
  way.  From now on, even if I ordered rope from them,
  I'm going to specify "please coil rope"....so they
  don't ship me a 40' rope on a semi flatbed.
  That brought the cost of my little nose fairing up
  to about $139.
 
  --
  Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
  do not archive
 
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		rleffler
 
  
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:55 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				I would drop Jim Irwin an email.  I have his address at home if you need it   Sounds like somebody in shipping did something stupid.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 21, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
 
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  So yesterday I ordered up my fiberglass cloth
  and some West System epoxy since mine isn't
  good any longer.  I called ACS before I hit
  enter on the order because it said Hazard by
  the line items.  I called and they said that
  it wouldn't have hazardous fees, for such and
  such a reason.  No worries.  My other line items
  were 4 or 5 different weights and types of
  Glass cloth, so I could have some variety
  for things if I wanted.  Total weight maybe
  should have been 5 lbs or so maybe, tops.
  With no hazardous fees, I was happy and good to
  go.
  
  Got a call after ordering (a voicemail) and a
  nice lady said she changed my shipping from 3-day
  to ground, because Ground would be the same speed
  from their GA location, and it would prevent
  hazardous fees if it went by air, and it would
  save me some money.  Still all good.
  
  Got my invoice, and it was almost $50 in shipping.
  Called to figure out why.  Just found out...
  They shipped in 2 boxes, with the epoxy separate,
  to keep it away from the cloth..perhaps a
  flammability issue.  no big deal...2 boxes should
  be cheap.
  
  Where they went haywire was the cloth, of all things.
  I had ordered 1 yard of 4 or 5 different types. It
  shouldn't have weighed more than a couple lbs.
  But, they ROLLED it, on a roll, not folded at all,
  because some people like it fthat way.  And, due to
  the oversize length dimension, it was then billed at
  the 30lbs!!!! shipping rate.  They called about
  the shipping change to ground...which was nice, but
  I sure wish they'd have called about the oversize
  shipping.  I'd have told them to fold it in half
  at least.
  
  I've heard this same thing happens to people who
  buy heatshrink, so I thought I'd bring it up again.
  They don't roll the heatshrink but send it in long
  long boxes in sections....which then costs a ton.
  
  So, don't assume that ACS will actual think, and always
  work in what YOU think is your best interest.  If you
  order ANYTHING that is possible it could be shipped
  flat, assume that they'll ship it in the worst possible
  way.  From now on, even if I ordered rope from them,
  I'm going to specify "please coil rope"....so they
  don't ship me a 40' rope on a semi flatbed.
  That brought the cost of my little nose fairing up
  to about $139.
  
  -- 
  Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
  do not archive
  
  
  
  
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:05 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				For composite materials I typically like to use "FIBREGLAST"
 (www.fibreglast.com).  The stuff sometimes is a little bit more expensive,
 but given the fact that composites is all they do, they do it well and their
 staff is very knowledgeable.
 
 Regarding shipping, it can be pricey...but here's a real world example.  My
 last order from them was almost $465 and included a bunch of epoxy,
 polyurethane liquid mix foam, microballoons, glass cloth, carbon cloth,
 talc, brushes, squeegees, etc..  The total charge for shipping on that order
 was $59.
 
 Anyway, not saying you have to buy the stuff from them, just an option that
 I've found fairly reliable over the years.  Like everything, you can find
 some of it cheaper if you spend the time but that company bridges the gap
 between price, knowledge and reliability....overall kind of like my shop!  
 
 My 2 cents as usual.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Stein 
 
 BTW...we can officially post in the RV-10 section now that we (Jed) actually
 have an RV10 kit in the back going together!!!!!
 
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		Tim Olson
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:05 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				Yeah, I could complain up the ladder, but my intention
 isn't to get them to eat the cost. I just think that
 they should adopt a policy where ANYTHING that ships
 oversize, requires either a customer note first that
 was on the order, or a phone call to verify.  That
 would have fixed my issue completely.  In fact, maybe
 I *should* contact him and just tell him that one point.
 
 And as Dave noted, some people like him probably
 don't want their glass cloth folded.  For me, I
 only needed a square foot maybe.  For things he
 does, he may want 3 yards of unbroken fibers.
 So I can see why they might roll it.....i just think
 that before they ship, if it's going to go oversize,
 they should call first.
 
 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
 do not archive
 On 6/21/2011 9:47 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
  	  | Quote: | 	 		   I would forward your comments to Jim Irwin. You just might get some relief.
 
  On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com
  <mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>> wrote:
 
      
      <mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>>
 
      So yesterday I ordered up my fiberglass cloth
      and some West System epoxy since mine isn't
      good any longer.  I called ACS before I hit
      enter on the order because it said Hazard by
      the line items.  I called and they said that
      it wouldn't have hazardous fees, for such and
      such a reason.  No worries.  My other line items
      were 4 or 5 different weights and types of
      Glass cloth, so I could have some variety
      for things if I wanted.  Total weight maybe
      should have been 5 lbs or so maybe, tops.
      With no hazardous fees, I was happy and good to
      go.
 
      Got a call after ordering (a voicemail) and a
      nice lady said she changed my shipping from 3-day
      to ground, because Ground would be the same speed
      from their GA location, and it would prevent
      hazardous fees if it went by air, and it would
      save me some money.  Still all good.
 
      Got my invoice, and it was almost $50 in shipping.
      Called to figure out why.  Just found out...
      They shipped in 2 boxes, with the epoxy separate,
      to keep it away from the cloth..perhaps a
      flammability issue.  no big deal...2 boxes should
      be cheap.
 
      Where they went haywire was the cloth, of all things.
      I had ordered 1 yard of 4 or 5 different types. It
      shouldn't have weighed more than a couple lbs.
      But, they ROLLED it, on a roll, not folded at all,
      because some people like it that way.  And, due to
      the oversize length dimension, it was then billed at
      the 30lbs!!!! shipping rate.  They called about
      the shipping change to ground...which was nice, but
      I sure wish they'd have called about the oversize
      shipping.  I'd have told them to fold it in half
      at least.
 
      I've heard this same thing happens to people who
      buy heatshrink, so I thought I'd bring it up again.
      They don't roll the heatshrink but send it in long
      long boxes in sections....which then costs a ton.
 
      So, don't assume that ACS will actual think, and always
      work in what YOU think is your best interest.  If you
      order ANYTHING that is possible it could be shipped
      flat, assume that they'll ship it in the worst possible
      way.  From now on, even if I ordered rope from them,
      I'm going to specify "please coil rope"....so they
      don't ship me a 40' rope on a semi flatbed.
      That brought the cost of my little nose fairing up
      to about $139.
 
      --
      Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
      do not archive
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:24 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				Cool, I looked hard for a supplier and found that ACS was as
 good as the boat suppliers, so went there, but next time
 I'll definitely look at these guys.  Always like to hear
 a good referral.
 
 So is this a brand new -10, or did you pick up someone's
 kit that they gave up on?  What's the builder number?
 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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 On 6/21/2011 10:03 AM, Stein Bruch wrote:
 [quote] 
 
  For composite materials I typically like to use "FIBREGLAST"
  (www.fibreglast.com).  The stuff sometimes is a little bit more expensive,
  but given the fact that composites is all they do, they do it well and their
  staff is very knowledgeable.
 
  Regarding shipping, it can be pricey...but here's a real world example.  My
  last order from them was almost $465 and included a bunch of epoxy,
  polyurethane liquid mix foam, microballoons, glass cloth, carbon cloth,
  talc, brushes, squeegees, etc..  The total charge for shipping on that order
  was $59.
 
  Anyway, not saying you have to buy the stuff from them, just an option that
  I've found fairly reliable over the years.  Like everything, you can find
  some of it cheaper if you spend the time but that company bridges the gap
  between price, knowledge and reliability....overall kind of like my shop!  
 
  My 2 cents as usual.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Stein
 
  BTW...we can officially post in the RV-10 section now that we (Jed) actually
  have an RV10 kit in the back going together!!!!!
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:54 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				I had the same problem with Vans.  They send me a $20 piece of angke aluminum that cost $125 to ship!!  They didn't bother to mention that to me.....  But when I inquired, they apologized and we split the shipping  cost.  
 
 I would have purchased it locally if I had known.....
 -Mike Kraus
 
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 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 21, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
 
  	  | Quote: | 	 		   
  
  Yeah, I could complain up the ladder, but my intention
  isn't to get them to eat the cost. I just think that
  they should adopt a policy where ANYTHING that ships
  oversize, requires either a customer note first that
  was on the order, or a phone call to verify.  That
  would have fixed my issue completely.  In fact, maybe
  I *should* contact him and just tell him that one point.
  
  And as Dave noted, some people like him probably
  don't want their glass cloth folded.  For me, I
  only needed a square foot maybe.  For things he
  does, he may want 3 yards of unbroken fibers.
  So I can see why they might roll it.....i just think
  that before they ship, if it's going to go oversize,
  they should call first.
  
  Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
  do not archive
  
  
  On 6/21/2011 9:47 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
 > I would forward your comments to Jim Irwin. You just might get some relief.
 > 
 > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com
 > <mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>> wrote:
 > 
 >    
 >    <mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>>
 > 
 >    So yesterday I ordered up my fiberglass cloth
 >    and some West System epoxy since mine isn't
 >    good any longer.  I called ACS before I hit
 >    enter on the order because it said Hazard by
 >    the line items.  I called and they said that
 >    it wouldn't have hazardous fees, for such and
 >    such a reason.  No worries.  My other line items
 >    were 4 or 5 different weights and types of
 >    Glass cloth, so I could have some variety
 >    for things if I wanted.  Total weight maybe
 >    should have been 5 lbs or so maybe, tops.
 >    With no hazardous fees, I was happy and good to
 >    go.
 > 
 >    Got a call after ordering (a voicemail) and a
 >    nice lady said she changed my shipping from 3-day
 >    to ground, because Ground would be the same speed
 >    from their GA location, and it would prevent
 >    hazardous fees if it went by air, and it would
 >    save me some money.  Still all good.
 > 
 >    Got my invoice, and it was almost $50 in shipping.
 >    Called to figure out why.  Just found out...
 >    They shipped in 2 boxes, with the epoxy separate,
 >    to keep it away from the cloth..perhaps a
 >    flammability issue.  no big deal...2 boxes should
 >    be cheap.
 > 
 >    Where they went haywire was the cloth, of all things.
 >    I had ordered 1 yard of 4 or 5 different types. It
 >    shouldn't have weighed more than a couple lbs.
 >    But, they ROLLED it, on a roll, not folded at all,
 >    because some people like it that way.  And, due to
 >    the oversize length dimension, it was then billed at
 >    the 30lbs!!!! shipping rate.  They called about
 >    the shipping change to ground...which was nice, but
 >    I sure wish they'd have called about the oversize
 >    shipping.  I'd have told them to fold it in half
 >    at least.
 > 
 >    I've heard this same thing happens to people who
 >    buy heatshrink, so I thought I'd bring it up again.
 >    They don't roll the heatshrink but send it in long
 >    long boxes in sections....which then costs a ton.
 > 
 >    So, don't assume that ACS will actual think, and always
 >    work in what YOU think is your best interest.  If you
 >    order ANYTHING that is possible it could be shipped
 >    flat, assume that they'll ship it in the worst possible
 >    way.  From now on, even if I ordered rope from them,
 >    I'm going to specify "please coil rope"....so they
 >    don't ship me a 40' rope on a semi flatbed.
 >    That brought the cost of my little nose fairing up
 >    to about $139.
 > 
 >    --
 >    Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:47 am    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				I buy all my fiberglass from www.thayercraft.com 
 West Epoxy comes from a local marina (cheaper than all the online
 sources) or www.JamestownDistributors.com when the local guys are out.  
 2-part urethane foam comes from  www.uscomposites.com  
 
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		Dick Sipp
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:42 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				Tim:
 
 West System products are very popular in boating world, any bigger boat 
 dealer will probably have what you need, there should plenty of them in your 
 area.  I buy it locally.
 
 Dick
 
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		Bob Turner
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				A few years ago I ordered an aircraft battery, plus about 8 oz of small parts, from ACS. The ACS catalog said "Free shipping on batteries".
 
 When I got it, there was a $25 shipping charge. When I complained, they said "You didn't SPECIFY that you wanted free shipping". Duh.
 
 I complained some more, and they said, "Okay, but we'll charge shipping and handling on the other parts."  I said fine.
 
 They charged me $8 S&H for the other parts. These were so small and light that they had been stuffed into the battery box- it really didn't cost them anything more to ship them. Not a lot of money, just the principle.
 
 Bob
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:59 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				Tim makes a good point to ask about shipping costs.It costs a lot to ship the stuff we use-ask about crating and shipping a canopy frame from Oregon to California-more than the cost of the frame,same with a canopy from Todds in Florida .I for one have found aircraft spruce invaluable with my various projects there huge inventory of parts shipped efficiently for the most part and there catalog is an excellent reference and they have virtually everything .Nothing in my world is perfect but ACS has been a real asset for me.Also ACS has no minimum order and will ship us mail.Very efficient when you need two dollars worth of nuts and bolts.
  
    
  
  
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		msausen
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:36 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				There used to be a West store just down the road in the strip mall area off of 9th for anyone going to Airventure.  If that one closed we still have one on College Ave in Appleton if you have a car.  Stock up there if shipping rates are getting that silly and you don't have one locally.
 
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		Tim Olson
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:20 pm    Post subject: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				I've got a follow-up surprise on this shipping thing....
 
 I didn't contact ACS at all.  I have been too busy to
 even think about it.  But just now, I got an email from
 Jim Irwin himself, letting me know that he checked into
 my shipping costs and had info.
 
 Apparently many products do have prompts that appear
 in shipping, to let them notify the customer before they
 would package in a way that costs us lots of money.
 Turns out the prompts on these fiberglass items were
 missing...otherwise they'd have called me first.
 
 So, they calculated what my shipping would have been,
 had it not shipped oversize, and only shipped standard,
 and they credited me back the difference....all without
 me even contacting them.  They somehow saw my post
 here, and wanted to reach out and make it right.
 
 I think they did a fantastic job, so I'm pretty pleased.
 I've been buying from them for many years, even before
 I started building a plane, and they're one of the first
 places I check for aircraft things, because even though
 shipping is from Georgia at the closest, things go
 out the door quick and arrive quick.  So, I'm glad that
 not only have they been good in the past, but they
 made this "bad" .... good.
 
 Thanks Jim, if you're reading this, you done well.
 
 Thought y'all might want to see that, because when a
 company does that, it shows some integrity.
 
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		Bob Turner
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				Me too!
 
 Jim Irwin read my rant about the shipping cost of the "free shipping" battery, sent me a private email apologizing, and credited my account with the shipping I did pay.
 
 I've always used ACS for their large inventory and convenience; this is now another reason to use them!
 
 Bob
 
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		bill.peyton
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Aircraft Spruce Shipping - Always Beware | 
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				I just had a similar experience with ACS and shipping.  I ordered 4 pieces of piano hinge and specifically asked if the 6 ft lengths were oversize.  If they were, I was will to have them cut down to 4 ft.  The operator said standard shipping would apply.  Guess what, $42 for the hinge and $25 for the shipping!  What koolaid are these guys drinking? I'm in St. louis, next time I'll drive to Wicks.
 
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