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tkben002
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My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is. When I look at pictures of other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight. Mine has a nice little curve to it. My question is, can I remove it, cut it off when it is bent, re insert it and have an overall shorter tailspring, or should I just call Travis and buy a new one, or are there any alternatives?
thanks,
Travis Bennett
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:42 am Post subject: tailspring? |
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What happens if you take the weight off it for a while? What model Kolb? Mine is a fiberglass rod, and I think they would take a "set".
Bill Sullivan
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My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is. When I look at pictures of other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight. Mine has a nice little curve to it. My question is, can I remove it, cut it off when it is bent, re insert it and have an overall shorter tailspring, or should I just call Travis and buy a new one, or are there any alternatives?
thanks,
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:51 am Post subject: tailspring? |
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Pick up the back of your airplane and look to see if it is bent if not cut it in half and you wont have one that looks bent I always used half of what they send you
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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tkben002
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:00 am Post subject: Re: tailspring? |
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It is on a Kolbra. I am pretty sure it is aluminum tube. I was planning on shortening it but was not sure if there was a reason not to.
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Travis Bennett
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:22 am Post subject: tailspring? |
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It is on a Kolbra. I am pretty sure it is aluminum tube. I was planning on
shortening it but was not sure if there was a reason not to.
Thanks,
Travis Bennett
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it should be solid alum rod. i left mine full length,,, some have
shortened theirs. my thought was if the rod is shortened, it will put
more shock load on the steel frame. then on the other hand,,, when longer
there is more spring,,, but a longer moment arm which would make things
bend with less force. pick your poison.
boyd young
mkiii utah.
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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:31 am Post subject: tailspring? |
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Mark the exit point with a felt tip and cut it there. The point where
they
eventually break, if it flexes enough times, is at that point.
You will be doing yourself a favor.
BB
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Thom Riddle
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: tailspring? |
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The Slingshot is VERY tail heavy, so after bending the tail wheel rod (more than once I think), the builder fixed it permanently with a very stout leaf spring. See photo below. It is probably overkill for Kolbs with lighter tails.
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It is on a Kolbra. I am pretty sure it is aluminum tube. I was planning on shortening it but was not sure if there was a reason not to.
Thanks,
Travis Bennett
it should be solid alum rod. i left mine full length,,, some have shortened theirs. my thought was if the rod is shortened, it will put more shock load on the steel frame. then on the other hand,,, when longer there is more spring,,, but a longer moment arm which would make things bend with less force. pick your poison.
boyd young
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:35 am Post subject: tailspring? |
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One thing that will happen if you straighten the tailwheel post is that it will restore the kingpin angle to swept forward, like the manufacturer intended, to keep the tailwheel from, for lack of a better term, fluttering. Think of the wheel on a shopping cart that wobbles back and forth uncommanded as you push the cart. You can also replace the solid aluminum post with 4130 tube and it will be a little lighter. 3/4" X .065" wall will work nicely. You can also have it heat treated up to RC 130 to make it a true spring so it won't bend again.
Another thing you might consider it to change out the springs from tension to compression so you don't have to worry about the hook breaking or pulling out.
Rick Girard
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Mark the exit point with a felt tip and cut it there. The point where they
eventually break, if it flexes enough times, is at that point.
You will be doing yourself a favor.
BB
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: tailspring? |
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Well, I went ahead and took it off, and yep, it was bent. So, while I had it off I cut off the first 7" or so and drilled a hole and now I have a shorter tailspring. I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any differences (expect it to be stiffer).
Thom, What size tailwheel is that? What manufacturer?
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Thom Riddle
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:55 pm Post subject: tailspring? |
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Travis,
My tailwheel is six inch diameter from Aviation Products, Inc. in California (from the sticker on the side), probably available thru Aircraft Spruce.
Thom
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Well, I went ahead and took it off, and yep, it was bent. So, while I had it off I cut off the first 7" or so and drilled a hole and now I have a shorter tailspring. I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any differences (expect it to be stiffer).
Thom, What size tailwheel is that? What manufacturer?
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George Alexander
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: tailspring? |
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| tkben002 wrote: | . . . snip . . . . I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any differences (expect it to be stiffer).
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For those of you who have done this, should he expect any difference in ground handling or takeoff/landing because of the tail being closer to the ground?
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:09 pm Post subject: tailspring? |
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Travis,You have moved the tailwheel forward enough that it has moved your CG forward some amount. So be alert the next time you fly and see if you can tell any difference.
Gene
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My tailwheel is six inch diameter from Aviation Products, Inc. in California (from the sticker on the side), probably available thru Aircraft Spruce.
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: tailspring? |
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No, I've done this mod on a IIIC and a IIIX. The only difference you might notice is that it will release to full caster a little easier since the shorter rod doesn't flex as much.
Rick Girard
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> . . . snip . . . . I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any differences (expect it to be stiffer).
> . . . snip. .
> Travis Bennett
For those of you who have done this, should he expect any difference in ground handling or takeoff because of the tail being closer to the ground?
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:18 am Post subject: tailspring? |
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It's the same as you have, just a 6" wheel instead of 4", and a spring mount instead of a rod mount.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/homebuilder_tailwheel.php
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: tailspring? |
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Just figured I would give an update....
I went flying over the weekend to test out the shorter tail. As far as handling due to any CG changes there were none. However, I did not do a great job of drilling out the new hole. Acutally the hole in the tailpost is not straight, so I had to enlarge the hole in the tailspring rod so the bolt would fit thru. I tightened it down and I thought it was fine, but it wasnt. After the first flight on landing the tailwheel went to the side and there was no straightening it back to center. The landing was ok and no groundloop but the taxi back to the trailer involved some whirly doo's on the taxi way. Anyway, learning experience (and I already cut another inch off and redrilled and also ordered a new tailspring from Travis.
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Travis,
This is a quick cure for the tail spring rattle and misalignment.Remove the tail spring,cut two slots in the short stub of the open end of the tail spring tube so that the clamp can compress the tube around the spring when it is tightened.The clamp is aluminum,1/2 inch thick, with 2 counter sunk cap screws that tighten from the bottom....JBM made mine but it's a simple machine shop operation.
Here is a photo.
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Travis,
I don't know how many hours you have on your plane but you should really consider installing the John Hauk braces on the tail ring.They will save you a ton of grief down the road.You can see them in that photo I posted for you. G.Aman
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