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dlm34077(at)q.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:57 am Post subject: N968TP

Anyone know about this?  

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		     Report created 10/31/2011   Record 6                                     ********************************************************************************** IDENTIFICATION  Regis#: 968TP        Make/Model: EXP       Description: VANS RV10  Date: 10/30/2011     Time: 1514   Event Type: Incident   Highest Injury: Minor     Mid Air: N    Missing: N  Damage: Unknown ******************************************************************************** 	
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dmaib@me.com

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:17 am Post subject: Re: N968TP

Can't seem to find any news reports about this. Strange.



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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:08 am Post subject: N968TP

I see it was certified on 4/2011 low serial number 40031.  I found nothing 

too.



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dlm34077(at)q.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:24 am Post subject: N968TP

Pilot or owner of 968TP listed in FAA records as TORELLO FORTUNATO TACCHI of

Jacksonville FL with Private ASEL/S, instrument and IA. Crash site is about

30-40 miles north of Jacksonville. Airworthiness and registration are listed

as 4/2011

philperry9(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:52 am Post subject: N968TP

I found some notes that indicate the aircraft has been flying since 2006/7ish.



Also found that it had an air boat engine that was overhauled by the owner back around that time frame.



VAF was the source of both.



On Oct 31, 2011, at 1:18 PM, "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> wrote:



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 Pilot or owner of 968TP listed in FAA records as TORELLO FORTUNATO TACCHI of

 Jacksonville FL with Private ASEL/S, instrument and IA. Crash site is about

 30-40 miles north of Jacksonville. Airworthiness and registration are listed

 as 4/2011

dlm34077(at)q.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:47 am Post subject: N968TP

http://www.charltoncountyherald.com/articles/2011/11/02/news/doc4eb00f9f0f36

c342285798.txt 



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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:54 am Post subject: N968TP

Sounds like fuel exhaustion.....



"The plane, out of Hilliard, was reportedly returning from Waycross  when it ran out of fuel, clipped some trees and flipped into a hay  field near the edge of Folkston."



http://www.charltoncountyherald.com/articles/2011/11/02/news/doc4eb00f9f0f36c342285798.txt

 

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:50 AM, DLM <dlm34077(at)q.com (dlm34077(at)q.com)> wrote:

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Anyone know about this?  

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		     Report created 10/31/2011   Record 6                                     ********************************************************************************** IDENTIFICATION  Regis#: 968TP        Make/Model: EXP       Description: VANS RV10  Date: 10/30/2011     Time: 1514   Event Type: Incident   Highest Injury: Minor     Mid Air: N    Missing: N  Damage: Unknown ******************************************************************************** 	
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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:01 am Post subject: N968TP

Light plane crashes in Folkston field     

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Published: 

Tuesday, November 1, 2011 11:46 AM EDT 

Some Charlton County cows got a surprise on Sunday morning when a small plane crashed into a field they were grazing.

 

 The plane, out of Hilliard, was reportedly returning from Waycross when it ran out of fuel, clipped some trees and flipped into a hay field near the edge of Folkston.

 

 The pilot was able to make his way out of the crushed aircraft and then walk nearly half-a-mile to Hwy. 121 where he was picked up by a passing motorist and transported to Charlton Memorial Hospital where he was treated.

 

 Charlton County Sheriff Dobie Conner said the incident was reported to his department around 1 p.m. on Sunday, but the actual crash occurred earlier in the morning. The pilot was the lone occupant of the plane and no one on the ground ï¿½ï¿½â€ not even a cow ï¿½ï¿½â€  was injured. 

The FAA was called in to investigate the incident. 

  

  

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rv10rob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:05 pm Post subject: N968TP

So is that the 5th RV-10 hull loss now?



On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks <robin(at)painttheweb.com (robin(at)painttheweb.com)> wrote:

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Light plane crashes in Folkston field     

         

Published: 

Tuesday, November 1, 2011 11:46 AM EDT 

Some Charlton County cows got a surprise on Sunday morning when a small plane crashed into a field they were grazing.

  

 The plane, out of Hilliard, was reportedly returning from Waycross when it ran out of fuel, clipped some trees and flipped into a hay field near the edge of Folkston.

 

 The pilot was able to make his way out of the crushed aircraft and then walk nearly half-a-mile to Hwy. 121 where he was picked up by a passing motorist and transported to Charlton Memorial Hospital where he was treated.

  

 Charlton County Sheriff Dobie Conner said the incident was reported to his department around 1 p.m. on Sunday, but the actual crash occurred earlier in the morning. The pilot was the lone occupant of the plane and no one on the ground ï¿½ï¿½â€ not even a cow ï¿½ï¿½â€  was injured. 

The FAA was called in to investigate the incident.

 

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:26 pm Post subject: N968TP

I think it's more than that...



We've had:

The Dan Lloyd Incident

The IFR incident

The possibly Medical incident

The inflight fire

The post-landing fire

The out-of-gas (this one)



.. and I'm not positive if the others were hull losses but I know there

were at least a couple others, one being the V-8 I think that pancaked

in (not sure if they got it flying again?), and another one that was

a botched landing that punched the gear up through.  Off the top of my

head I can't remember if that's it or not.  At least I *think* the

hull losses are less than you can count on 2 hands.



Tim



On 11/1/2011 3:02 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:

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		   So is that the 5th RV-10 hull loss now?



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 Woodinville, WA

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Bob Turner

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Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: N968TP

More than that. By my count:



3 fatals:  auto engine failure/botched corn field landing

              improper IMC

              Probable in flight heart attack



non-fatal:  auto engine/fire on the ground

                in flight fire-fuel connection loose- may not be total loss

                crash in OH 28 Sept 2011 cause unknown

                this one.

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:37 pm Post subject: N968TP

Tim is correct with the accidents. I think it is 6 total losses so far.  

Geoff Combs

614-834-5227p

614-834-5230f

www.aerosportmodeling.com

 



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arplnplt(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:38 pm Post subject: N968TP

What about the one just before this one with the guy from Texas taking delivery?  Did we ever find out what the cause was on that one?

Dave Leikam

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On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

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 I think it's more than that...

 We've had:

 The Dan Lloyd Incident

 The IFR incident

 The possibly Medical incident

 The inflight fire

 The post-landing fire

 The out-of-gas (this one)

 ... and I'm not positive if the others were hull losses but I know there

 were at least a couple others, one being the V-8 I think that pancaked

 in (not sure if they got it flying again?), and another one that was

 a botched landing that punched the gear up through.  Off the top of my

 head I can't remember if that's it or not.  At least I *think* the

 hull losses are less than you can count on 2 hands.

 Tim

 On 11/1/2011 3:02 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:

> So is that the 5th RV-10 hull loss now?

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> Woodinville, WA

> http://kochman.net/N819K

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rleffler

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:39 pm Post subject: N968TP

, one being the V-8 I think that pancaked in (not sure if they got it flying again?)

It was repaired and flew into OSH 2 years ago.



bob



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jcumins(at)jcis.net
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:41 pm Post subject: N968TP

Yes, the bad part it could have been avoided completely.Â  There is no excuse for running out of gas when flying over the US.Â  There is a airport just about every 50 miles.

Â  

This is a total shame and just drives everyones insurance rate higher, due to bad decisions.

 

 

John Cumins

40864, wing top skins moving forward.

 

 

 

 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:02 PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: N968TP

 

So is that the 5th RV-10 hull loss now?

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks <robin(at)painttheweb.com (robin(at)painttheweb.com)> wrote:

Light plane crashes in Folkston field

Published:

Tuesday, November 1, 2011 11:46 AM EDT

Some Charlton County cows got a surprise on Sunday morning when a small plane crashed into a field they were grazing.



The plane, out of Hilliard, was reportedly returning from Waycross when it ran out of fuel, clipped some trees and flipped into a hay field near the edge of Folkston.



The pilot was able to make his way out of the crushed aircraft and then walk nearly half-a-mile to Hwy. 121 where he was picked up by a passing motorist and transported to Charlton Memorial Hospital where he was treated.



Charlton County Sheriff Dobie Conner said the incident was reported to his department around 1 p.m. on Sunday, but the actual crash occurred earlier in the morning. The pilot was the lone occupant of the plane and no one on the ground ï¿½ï¿½â€ not even a cow ï¿½ï¿½â€ was injured.

The FAA was called in to investigate the incident.

 

 

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Bob Turner

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Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: N968TP

"What about the one just before this one with the guy from Texas taking delivery? Did we ever find out what the cause was on that one?"



This was the Ohio crash. Per VAF the pilots are now both out of the hospital although the builder was seriously burned. The builder has posted on VAF his condition but has not said anything about the cause. Curiously, it also is not listed on the NTSB web site yet.



As to running out of gas, this certainly is very poor judgement. Although, until the facts are in, we don't know. Maybe there was a serious undetected fuel leak. I will say, though, that some pilots are type A personalities. The owner of this latest accident aircraft has previously posted on VAF about his (illegal) experimentation with car gas in a certified airplane.

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: N968TP

On 11/1/2011 4:32 PM, Bob Turner wrote:

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 More than that. By my count:



 3 fatals:  auto engine failure/botched corn field landing

                improper IMC

                Probable in flight heart attack



 non-fatal:  auto engine/fire on the ground

                  in flight fire-fuel connection loose- may not be total loss

This one may be being rebuilt in Melbourne, FL.
	


Linn

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		                    crash in OH 28 Sept 2011 cause unknown

                  this one.



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jcumins(at)jcis.net
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject: N968TP

Man people are stupid.  Auto fuel in a certified plane,  yes there are stc's

for them, but not many really do not work out well. I have helped recover

many a plane in Alaska out in the bush due to auto fuel for one reason or

another.  And when auto fuel burns it is very hard to see the flame when it

is small and it's flash point is so much lower than 100LL.



You would never catch me using auto fuel in any airplane.  



Bob yes I agree with you the story is not complete and that there could have

been a fuel leak causing the plane to run out sooner than expected or very

fast,  but that's not the usual case.



Bob another thing that might need to be brought up is the quality of the

flares people are making on their own.  I have seen so many flares that were

not made correctly and over flared or the flare was not deep enough.  This

the leaks found in the Vans airplane is way too high.  I am not sure if it

is a training issue on how to make tubing flares correctly or is it the

cheap soft tubing that vans supplies.



I will be for sure using 5052 tubing in my -10, yes it is much stiffer and

much harder to work with but it is much stronger and less likely to crack.  



So the real question is?? Is the leak rates that are being found due to

material issues or craftsman quality of making the tubing??



Just my thoughts.



John Cumins

President

707-425-7100

707-425-7576 Fax





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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject: N968TP

Did you count the one from several years ago from Lebanon, TN that crashed in south Alabama in IMC??



[quote] Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:28:31 -0400

 From: pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: N968TP

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

 

 On 11/1/2011 4:32 PM, Bob Turner wrote:

 > -->  RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner"<bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>

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 > More than that. By my count:

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 > 3 fatals:  auto engine failure/botched corn field landing

 >                improper IMC

 >                Probable in flight heart attack

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 > non-fatal:  auto engine/fire on the ground

 >                  in flight fire-fuel connection loose- may not be total loss

 This one may be being rebuilt in Melbourne, FL.

 Linn

 >                  crash in OH 28 Sept 2011 cause unknown

 >                  this one.

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 > RV-10 QB

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amekler

Joined: 07 Oct 2010
Posts: 164

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: N968TP

Tim,

What do you think these accidents/incidents will do to our insurance rates?  Is the Rv-10 rate higher than other comparable planes?

Alan

N668G



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