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mwboyd(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:14 pm Post subject: Baffles

On Wed Gary  wrote:

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		   Mike,

 You see, the thing is, it is in the public domain.  It isn't like we have to

 be friends or anything.  Just like the page.


	


I did...a while ago.   Have enjoyed watching what you've been up to.



I was just trying to help you find the easiest option to appease those

folks who don't want to join Facebook, so they can see your pictures

without you having to do a bunch of extra steps or conversions.  Sorry

if the link was harder to find in the new timeline...seems the people

at Facebook like to periodically rearrange things.



Anyway, hope it helps.



Cheers,

-Mike

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teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject: Baffles

Mike,

Thanks for pointing me int he right direction to send a link.

Gary

        From: Mike Boyd <mwboyd(at)gmail.com>

 To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:12 PM

 Subject: Re: Baffles

 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Mike Boyd <mwboyd(at)gmail.com (mwboyd(at)gmail.com)>

On Wed Gary  wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Mike,

 You see, the thing is, it is in the public domain.  It isn't like we have to

 be friends or anything.  Just like the page.

I did...a while ago.   Have enjoyed watching what you've been up to.

I was just trying to help you find the easiest option to appease those

folks who don't want to join Facebook, so they can see your pictures

without you having to do a bunch of extra steps or conversions.  Sorry

if the link was harder to find in the new timeline...seems the people

at Facebook like to periodically rearrange things.

Anyway, hope it helps.

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flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:22 am Post subject: Baffles

On 3/14/2012 11:56 AM, Gary Vogt wrote:

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		   Here are the pics for the wiring:

 http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.306566466072197.73722.142076472521198&type=3&l=14fdaadcf2




	


The worse wiring mess I have ever seen!  Would take two weeks to 

straighten it out and cost over $6000 I would guess.



Cliff

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dmwhite(at)e3ra.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:09 am Post subject: Baffles

Cliff,

First of all, you haven't seen it, you've just seen a picture of it and the

world is 3D not 2D.

Second of all, what makes you think it needs straightened out?

Gary just likes things simple and my choice is to have backups.

Since I own the plane and know the missions for the plane better than

anyone, it's my choice.

It all works, too.  And a lot of it will still work during solar flares

and/or when they shoot the satellites down.



Dean White (Tiger N81166)

dmwhite(at)e3ra.com



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flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:11 am Post subject: Baffles

On 3/15/2012 7:08 AM, Dean White wrote:

[quote] 



 Cliff,

 First of all, you haven't seen it, you've just seen a picture of it and the

 world is 3D not 2D.

 Second of all, what makes you think it needs straightened out?

 Gary just likes things simple and my choice is to have backups.

 Since I own the plane and know the missions for the plane better than

 anyone, it's my choice.

 It all works, too.  And a lot of it will still work during solar flares

 and/or when they shoot the satellites down.



 Dean White (Tiger N81166)

 dmwhite(at)e3ra.com



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lmassaro

Joined: 28 Sep 2010
Posts: 13

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Baffles

I don't think Gary likes it "simple".  The more applicable word(s) are neat, serviceable, and practical.  He wants it so it is easy to work on.  Being neat and serviceable is the issue.  Having one, two, three, or four displays is personal preference.  Heck, you can put Directv in the plane if that's what you want.  However, if any of it installed with little regard to the service aspects, it is simply poor workmanship on the part of the avionics technician or whomever did the installation(s).



Neat - Aesthetically pleasing to the eye.  Adds perceived value to an aircraft when things look neat and tight visually.



Serviceable/Practical - When someone looks at the wiring, and has to "fix" something.  The chaotic state of the wiring complicates that action significantly.  Keep in mind that making things "too neat" also poses a servicing problem if everything was bound and shrinkwrapped, etc.  The wiring of your panel makes servicing, updating, upgrading, etc, a rather complicated effort.  



Ive seen it first hand (not only in pics) and I agree with Gary that the wiring on that plane is a mess.  I cant throw too many rocks 'cause my wiring isn't a work of art either, but has been improved and is fairly serviceable.   



Your avionics tech needs to take the heat for this.  Defend it all you want.  The facts are there.  As viewed, it isn't neat, isn't installed in a practical manner, and isn't very serviceable as is.



LJM

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