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 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: new site? why different? |
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Why? looks like the same thing to me?
Maybe on what is different? looks like a whole lot of the same advertisers already?
I’m already a member and I believe this is a good thing Glenn is doing. I am all for running a business, but I am also all for the builders, which is what makes this (Matronics) forum what it is, no one doing anything other than giving opinions and focused on our planes. I bet Doug started with a good intention than moved on to leave his job to run the site full time- tells me he is looking to provide a service and make money on it. So he’s making lot off of it, good for him for being successful! The problem, from what I am hearing, is we end up paying for the advertisers fees if we buy one of their products, so if rvairspace.com is proving a link for advertisers at a lesser rate or as a service to the end users it would do 1 of two things- the advertisers will make more money for their products than VAF (since they are not paying upwards of 10K a year in fees) and 2-maybe the advertisers may see that benefit and use the rvairspace.com site to provide a discount to reflect the “benefit” of using the site. In the end everyone wins, eventually Glenn will see a booming site and start getting more people to donate, maybe even work out a deal with advertisers to get a percentage of the sales as a “referral fee”. I am all for people being compensated for their efforts, especially if it’s a win-win for everyone.
Competition is good, start up’s are a good thing, running them to the success that VAF has amounted to will be hard, but certainly with the RV groups, there is great potential if given a reason to support it.
Would be great to hear how Glenn is running his start-up any different than Doug does his.
From: BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com (BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com)
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:55 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
Might want to take a look at this..http://www.rvairspace.com/index.html
In a message dated 7/16/2012 1:11:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Tim(at)MyRV10.com writes:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
I heard first hand from someone a while back who is a vendor,
who was not ever allowed to post, and had some issues. It seems
that anytime someone posted a "Check out my airplane" review
where they told about their product, that whole thread
would be removed, and basically they were later "shaken down"
and told that nothing, even positive comments on their products
from other members, was acceptable to post (even first-hand
reviews by happy customers), unless you were a paid advertiser.
The rates for said advertising were surprisingly steep, also.
I have been told that some of the ads on the main page go
for $10,000 (or more...that's an old number). It bothers me
a bit when you can't write something nice about a product
you bought that you liked, just because the vendor hasn't paid.
Isn't it always good for the list readers to hear positive
or negative reviews on things?
Beyond that, I'm of the mindset that you either run a site
on donations/subscriptions, you run it on advertising, or you
run it on sales, but you pick one of the 3.
It's a nice forum, but it would be nicer if it weren't
so censored. There's no reason to shutdown a thread
like that on the EAA, because clearly on a web forum
style site, the people reading that thread CHOOSE to
read it...it's not being forced into their inbox.
Shouldn't be threatening to anyone...
Tim
do not archive
On 7/16/2012 2:48 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:
| Quote: | Some things never change over there. This is why when he shut down
the old Yahoo forums several of us instead decided to put our support
behind Matronics which is truly donation supported vs. the high $$
revenue he receives from advertisers. He still passes the tin cup
around with the ‘poor ole me and my little website’ rhetoric while
prohibiting anyone that sells a product from contributing to any
discussions without coughing up considerably first. I drew the line
when my posts were edited, not deleted, edited to remove any criticism
of his censoring practices back during the Yahoo days. I probably
wouldn’t care if he would drop the my site needs your donation BS and
just ran it as ad supported like it really is. Glad we were able to
keep this group going for open discussion, even if we do get off topic
occasionally.
Off soapbox 
Do not archive
Michael
*From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
*davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
*Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:09 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
Looks like DR over on the VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the
kybash on any talk of the EAA and its current direction classifying it
as "politics" which is against forum rules. What a shame considering it
is one of the largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's and what better
avenue to organize the homebuilder base. Its his sandbox though
so,,,,,,,,,,,,.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, e ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site p;
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philperry9
Joined: 23 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: new site? why different? |
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The simple answer is that it's 99.9999% un-moderated by design.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 16, 2012, at 7:54 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net (rv10flyer(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
[quote] Why? looks like the same thing to me?
Maybe on what is different? looks like a whole lot of the same advertisers already?
I’m already a member and I believe this is a good thing Glenn is doing. I am all for running a business, but I am also all for the builders, which is what makes this (Matronics) forum what it is, no one doing anything other than giving opinions and focused on our planes. I bet Doug started with a good intention than moved on to leave his job to run the site full time- tells me he is looking to provide a service and make money on it. So he’s making lot off of it, good for him for being successful! The problem, from what I am hearing, is we end up paying for the advertisers fees if we buy one of their products, so if rvairspace.com is proving a link for advertisers at a lesser rate or as a service to the end users it would do 1 of two things- the advertisers will make more money for their products than VAF (since they are not paying upwards of 10K a year in fees) and 2-maybe the advertisers may see that benefit and use the rvairspace.com site to provide a discount to reflect the “benefit” of using the site. In the end everyone wins, eventually Glenn will see a booming site and start getting more people to donate, maybe even work out a deal with advertisers to get a percentage of the sales as a “referral fee”. I am all for people being compensated for their efforts, especially if it’s a win-win for everyone.
Competition is good, start up’s are a good thing, running them to the success that VAF has amounted to will be hard, but certainly with the RV groups, there is great potential if given a reason to support it.
Would be great to hear how Glenn is running his start-up any different than Doug does his.
From: BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com (BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com)
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:55 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
Might want to take a look at this..http://www.rvairspace.com/index.html
In a message dated 7/16/2012 1:11:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com) writes:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
I heard first hand from someone a while back who is a vendor,
who was not ever allowed to post, and had some issues. It seems
that anytime someone posted a "Check out my airplane" review
where they told about their product, that whole thread
would be removed, and basically they were later "shaken down"
and told that nothing, even positive comments on their products
from other members, was acceptable to post (even first-hand
reviews by happy customers), unless you were a paid advertiser.
The rates for said advertising were surprisingly steep, also.
I have been told that some of the ads on the main page go
for $10,000 (or more...that's an old number). It bothers me
a bit when you can't write something nice about a product
you bought that you liked, just because the vendor hasn't paid.
Isn't it always good for the list readers to hear positive
or negative reviews on things?
Beyond that, I'm of the mindset that you either run a site
on donations/subscriptions, you run it on advertising, or you
run it on sales, but you pick one of the 3.
It's a nice forum, but it would be nicer if it weren't
so censored. There's no reason to shutdown a thread
like that on the EAA, because clearly on a web forum
style site, the people reading that thread CHOOSE to
read it...it's not being forced into their inbox.
Shouldn't be threatening to anyone...
Tim
do not archive
On 7/16/2012 2:48 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:
| Quote: | Some things never change over there. This is why when he shut down
the old Yahoo forums several of us instead decided to put our support
behind Matronics which is truly donation supported vs. the high $$
revenue he receives from advertisers. He still passes the tin cup
around with the ‘poor ole me and my little website’ rhetoric while
prohibiting anyone that sells a product from contributing to any
discussions without coughing up considerably first. I drew the line
when my posts were edited, not deleted, edited to remove any criticism
of his censoring practices back during the Yahoo days. I probably
wouldn’t care if he would drop the my site needs your donation BS and
just ran it as ad supported like it really is. Glad we were able to
keep this group going for open discussion, even if we do get off topic
occasionally.
Off soapbox
Do not archive
Michael
*From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
*davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net (davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net)
*Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:09 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
Looks like DR over on the VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the
kybash on any talk of the EAA and its current direction classifying it
as "politics" which is against forum rules. What a shame considering it
is one of the largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's and what better
avenue to organize the homebuilder base. Its his sandbox though
so,,,,,,,,,,,,.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, e ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site p;
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iansdad
Joined: 06 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:32 pm Post subject: new site? why different? |
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I really don't get all this consternation over the VAF site..............no secret what the rules are/were. Seems likemany posters here want to run DR out of business. If you don't want to pay him don't but I don't get the begrudging.............and it seems odd to me that so many begrudge his desire to have a donation (which apparently you would never do) but you have so much "knowledge" about what is on the site........so apparently you spend some time there. Maybe its time to get some more fiber in your diet and/or start another kit to burn off some energy.
From: rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: new site? why different?
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:54:22 -0700
Why? looks like the same thing to me?
Maybe on what is different? looks like a whole lot of the same advertisers already?
Im already a member and I believe this is a good thing Glenn is doing. I am all for running a business, but I am also all for the builders, which is what makes this (Matronics) forum what it is, no one doing anything other than giving opinions and focused on our planes. I bet Doug started with a good intention than moved on to leave his job to run the site full time- tells me he is looking to provide a service and make money on it. So hes making lot off of it, good for him for being successful! The problem, from what I am hearing, is we end up paying for the advertisers fees if we buy one of their products, so if rvairspace.com is proving a link for advertisers at a lesser rate or as a service to the end users it would do 1 of two things- the advertisers will make more money for their products than VAF (since they are not paying upwards of 10K a year in fees) and 2-maybe the advertisers may see that benefit and use the rvairspace.com site to provide a discount to reflect the benefit of using the site. In the end everyone wins, eventually Glenn will see a booming site and start getting more people to donate, maybe even work out a deal with advertisers to get a percentage of the sales as a referral fee. I am all for people being compensated for their efforts, especially if its a win-win for everyone.
Competition is good, start ups are a good thing, running them to the success that VAF has amounted to will be hard, but certainly with the RV groups, there is great potential if given a reason to support it.
Would be great to hear how Glenn is running his start-up any different than Doug does his.
From: BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com (BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com)
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:55 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
Might want to take a look at this..http://www.rvairspace.com/index.html
In a message dated 7/16/2012 1:11:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Tim(at)MyRV10.com writes:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
I heard first hand from someone a while back who is a vendor,
who was not ever allowed to post, and had some issues. It seems
that anytime someone posted a "Check out my airplane" review
where they told about their product, that whole thread
would be removed, and basically they were later "shaken down"
and told that nothing, even positive comments on their products
from other members, was acceptable to post (even first-hand
reviews by happy customers), unless you were a paid advertiser.
The rates for said advertising were surprisingly steep, also.
I have been told that some of the ads on the main page go
for $10,000 (or more...that's an old number). It bothers me
a bit when you can't write something nice about a product
you bought that you liked, just because the vendor hasn't paid.
Isn't it always good for the list readers to hear positive
or negative reviews on things?
Beyond that, I'm of the mindset that you either run a site
on donations/subscriptions, you run it on advertising, or you
run it on sales, but you pick one of the 3.
It's a nice forum, but it would be nicer if it weren't
so censored. There's no reason to shutdown a thread
like that on the EAA, because clearly on a web forum
style site, the people reading that thread CHOOSE to
read it...it's not being forced into their inbox.
Shouldn't be threatening to anyone...
Tim
do not archive
On 7/16/2012 2:48 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:
| Quote: | Some things never change over there. This is why when he shut down
the old Yahoo forums several of us instead decided to put our support
behind Matronics which is truly donation supported vs. the high $$
revenue he receives from advertisers. He still passes the tin cup
around with the poor ole me and my little website rhetoric while
prohibiting anyone that sells a product from contributing to any
discussions without coughing up considerably first. I drew the line
when my posts were edited, not deleted, edited to remove any criticism
of his censoring practices back during the Yahoo days. I probably
wouldnt care if he would drop the my site needs your donation BS and
just ran it as ad supported like it really is. Glad we were able to
keep this group going for open discussion, even if we do get off topic
occasionally.
Off soapbox
Do not archive
Michael
*From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
*davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
*Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:09 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
Looks like DR over on the VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the
kybash on any talk of the EAA and its current direction classifying it
as "politics" which is against forum rules. What a shame considering it
is one of the largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's and what better
avenue to organize the homebuilder base. Its his sandbox though
so,,,,,,,,,,,,.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, e ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site p;
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href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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kboatright1(at)comcast.ne
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: new site? why different? |
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He's got a business model based on ad's and donations. I have no problem with that, and am happy that someone has managed to make a living doing what he's doing. Apparently, his business model doesn't need the controversy of the EAA debate, and I understand that too, although I figured it drove enough traffic that his advertisers would benefit from the added visibility.
My only disappointment was that the information was removed from the site very quickly, so I can't track down some of the individuals who made insightful comments to have a discussion with them via e-mail or PM. With even a day or two of notice, I could have made a few notes about who I'd like to follow-up with.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: new site? why different? |
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Don't get me wrong...Doug's a nice guy, and he runs a nice site
that is well organized. He has his policies and he's welcome to
enforce them as he sees fit. As long as the people there understand
the policies and things are done in the open, I think that's fine.
It's just that I don't personally agree with the multi-funding
model, and there again, since it's in effect a private BUSINESS,
it's not my call. I vote with my dollars, and I choose not to donate
since it's a site with lots of advertisers. For Matronics, since
it's a true non-advertising system, I donate usually $75-100 per
year. I enjoy helping fellow builders out. If he dropped the ads,
I'd likely actually donate some there too...even WITH the policies
they enforce. I like to support fellow RV'ers. I don't have that
many questions left to ask, so I really don't have a need for any
forum, other than the "family" feeling it provides, and I find that
the people I know best are list members here.
I also feel a bit of a feeling of integrity in the way I like to
do things. Recently I had someone approach me wanting a link on
my site, with info posted about their product, including a write-up.
It was a product I have never used and probably will never use,
and they asked if they could give me a few hundred dollars for
posting a permanent link. I turned them down. Why? Because the
things that I have written on my site are genuine first-hand
experiences, and I don't ask for payment to write them. When I
read reviews I like the un-biased ones, and when I write a review,
if I am biased, it's because I really liked the product.
Anyhow, the forum there is nice. It's useful, and it's done
well. I just prefer to spend my time here and go out of my way
a bit more to answer questions asked here. It's easier for me
to reply to an email that I see hourly than to dig through a
forum that I see every few days, or few weeks as I get time.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/16/2012 9:31 PM, Roxanne and Mike Lefever wrote:
| Quote: | I really don't get all this consternation over the VAF
site..............no secret what the rules are/were. Seems like many
posters here want to run DR out of business. If you don't want to pay
him don't but I don't get the begrudging.............and it seems odd to
me that so many begrudge his desire to have a donation (which apparently
you would never do) but you have so much "knowledge" about what is on
the site........so apparently you spend some time there. Maybe its time
to get some more fiber in your diet and/or start another kit to burn off
some energy.
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From: rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: new site? why different?
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:54:22 -0700
Why? looks like the same thing to me?
Maybe on what is different? looks like a whole lot of the same
advertisers already?
Im already a member and I believe this is a good thing Glenn is doing.
I am all for running a business, but I am also all for the builders,
which is what makes this (Matronics) forum what it is, no one doing
anything other than giving opinions and focused on our planes. I bet
Doug started with a good intention than moved on to leave his job to run
the site full time- tells me he is looking to provide a service and make
money on it. So hes making lot off of it, good for him for being
successful! The problem, from what I am hearing, is we end up paying for
the advertisers fees if we buy one of their products, so if
rvairspace.com is proving a link for advertisers at a lesser rate or as
a service to the end users it would do 1 of two things- the advertisers
will make more money for their products than VAF (since they are not
paying upwards of 10K a year in fees) and 2-maybe the advertisers may
see that benefit and use the rvairspace.com site to provide a discount
to reflect the benefit of using the site. In the end everyone wins,
eventually Glenn will see a booming site and start getting more people
to donate, maybe even work out a deal with advertisers to get a
percentage of the sales as a referral fee. I am all for people being
compensated for their efforts, especially if its a win-win for everyone.
Competition is good, start ups are a good thing, running them to the
success that VAF has amounted to will be hard, but certainly with the RV
groups, there is great potential if given a reason to support it.
Would be great to hear how Glenn is running his start-up any different
than Doug does his.
*From:* BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com <mailto:BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2012 4:55 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
*Subject:* Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
*Might want to take a look at this..http://www.rvairspace.com/index.html*
In a message dated 7/16/2012 1:11:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Tim(at)MyRV10.com writes:
I heard first hand from someone a while back who is a vendor,
who was not ever allowed to post, and had some issues. It seems
that anytime someone posted a "Check out my airplane" review
where they told about their product, that whole thread
would be removed, and basically they were later "shaken down"
and told that nothing, even positive comments on their products
from other members, was acceptable to post (even first-hand
reviews by happy customers), unless you were a paid advertiser.
The rates for said advertising were surprisingly steep, also.
I have been told that some of the ads on the main page go
for $10,000 (or more...that's an old number). It bothers me
a bit when you can't write something nice about a product
you bought that you liked, just because the vendor hasn't paid.
Isn't it always good for the list readers to hear positive
or negative reviews on things?
Beyond that, I'm of the mindset that you either run a site
on donations/subscriptions, you run it on advertising, or you
run it on sales, but you pick one of the 3.
It's a nice forum, but it would be nicer if it weren't
so censored. There's no reason to shutdown a thread
like that on the EAA, because clearly on a web forum
style site, the people reading that thread CHOOSE to
read it...it's not being forced into their inbox.
Shouldn't be threatening to anyone...
Tim
do not archive
On 7/16/2012 2:48 PM, Michael Sausen wrote:
> Some things never change over there. This is why when he shut down
> the old Yahoo forums several of us instead decided to put our support
> behind Matronics which is truly donation supported vs. the high $$
> revenue he receives from advertisers. He still passes the tin cup
> around with the poor ole me and my little website rhetoric while
> prohibiting anyone that sells a product from contributing to any
> discussions without coughing up considerably first. I drew the line
> when my posts were edited, not deleted, edited to remove any
criticism
> of his censoring practices back during the Yahoo days. I probably
> wouldnt care if he would drop the my site needs your donation BS and
> just ran it as ad supported like it really is. Glad we were able to
> keep this group going for open discussion, even if we do get off
topic
> occasionally.
>
> Off soapbox
>
> Do not archive
>
> Michael
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:09 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Urgent: EAA Members - Action!
>
> Looks like DR over on the VansAirforce Forum closed out and put the
> kybash on any talk of the EAA and its current direction
classifying it
> as "politics" which is against forum rules. What a shame
considering it
> is one of the largest EXPIMENTAL aviation forum's and what better
> avenue to organize the homebuilder base. Its his sandbox though
> so,,,,,,,,,,,,.
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> Howell, e ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List
Contribution Web Site p;
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href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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jkreidler
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
Posts: 151
Location: Sheboygan Falls WI
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:44 am Post subject: Re: new site? why different? |
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Not much to add, I just want to point out the luxury any of these lists offer. I have started on a new project (Skybolt), this design has been around since the late seventies (when I was starting kindergarten). I recently downloaded a whole series of newsletters which were published about every month and chronicled a single builder’s progress and opinions.
What a world we live in, back then the guys truly building airplanes from scratch had very little information to work from. They also had very little opportunity to ask questions of someone who had gone before. Remember this was back in the days before wireless phones, not to mention cell phones. It was a time when long distance calls were still a big deal. It was a time when the US mail was the only way to share a picture across the country, let alone around the world. By the way, we still communicated around the world using lines laid on the bottom of the ocean.
All of those barriers are what made Oshkosh (not Airventure) such a valuable tool. We complain about the content of Sport Aviation from time to time, I just can't imagine how it must have been to wait with excitement each month to see the magazine show up so I could read just a bit more on building an airplane. Now I can get that fix while walking down the hallway on my iPhone if I choose.
Imagine the days before match drilled airplanes, and extraordinarily detailed factory instructions backed up by a world of advice and opinion at your fingertips.
So take all of the occasional politics on any of these forums, the valid complaints about censorship, and smile as you move onto the answer to a question you came to find.
I cannot imagine what thirty years from now will look like for us poor builders who were only able to communicate through the Internet. Hopefully we are still able to enjoy this obsession.
Sorry for the editorial.
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Lew Gallagher
Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:33 am Post subject: new site? why different? |
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Hey Jason,
Well said ... now back to building.
Later, - Lew
do not archive
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gbrasch
Joined: 22 May 2006
Posts: 866
Location: Arizona
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:36 am Post subject: Re: new site? why different? |
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Someone directed me to this thread. I started my site as an alternative. I expect people will use both sites, but my philosophy is different, and is reflected in the site "rules", or lack thereof. I was asked if I would delete the thread about EAA that has started. I will not. My only favor that I have consistently asked users is to register. Advertisers look at that. My site has tens of thousands of unregistered users each month. Do me a favor and register with at least a first name and location. I hope you enjoy the site and use it to it's full benefit to you. Tailwinds, Glenn Brasch
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