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max8992

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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:44 am Post subject: fuel flow

Hi there All,

 

I’d like to install a fuel flow like FuelScan 450 from JP Instruments. 

Has anyone installed that specific instrument? Or installed any other ?

Because of the fuel return line do you think I need to install 2 transducers like Flow Scan 201

 

 

Max  Cointe

F-PMLH Europa_TriGear

Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours

mcointe(at)free.fr (mcointe(at)free.fr)

 

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danny shepherd

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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:30 am Post subject: fuel flow

Hi Max,

                     I installed a jpi fuel flow and did fit two       transducers. I believe you can get away with one. The fuel meter       has worked perfectly for the last three years.

       

       Danny G-c.e.r.i. xs tri 912s 

       

       

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I’d             like to install a fuel flow like FuelScan 450 from JP             Instruments.          

Has             anyone installed that specific instrument? Or installed any             other ?         

Because             of the fuel return line do you think I need to install 2             transducers like Flow Scan 201         

          

          

Max  Cointe         

F-PMLH             Europa_TriGear         

Kit             #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours         

mcointe(at)free.fr (mcointe(at)free.fr)         

        

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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:17 am Post subject: fuel flow

I have fitted a floscan after the return line on the 912uls it works great. I have the ff1 instrument. 



Kevin Challis

G ODJG tri gear 912uls





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Hi there All,

 

Iâ€™d like to install a fuel flow like FuelScan 450 from JP Instruments. 

Has anyone installed that specific instrument? Or installed any other ?

Because of the fuel return line do you think I need to install 2 transducers like Flow Scan 201

 

 

Max  Cointe

F-PMLH Europa_TriGear

Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours

mcointe(at)free.fr (mcointe(at)free.fr)

 

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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: Re: fuel flow

I have just fitted the EI FP-5L with two FD-60 sensors (now in the mod thanks Ian R) seems to be wroking fine. I put the transducers in the cavity where the fuel select switch is away from the engine

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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: fuel flow

nigel_graham(at)m-tecque.
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:09 pm Post subject: fuel flow

Hi Raimo,

     

     This is a nice looking bit of kit. Curiosity took me to the FDS     website for more info and having downloaded the manual, I notice     that they specify a second FT-60 "red cube" flow transducer should     be used in the fuel return line when used with a Rotax 912x     installation. How did you get away with using only one and still     maintain accuracy?

     

     Nigel

     

     On 24/09/2012 21:57, Raimo Toivio       wrote:

     

     [quote]       Hi Max

        

       I installed Flight Data System´s FC-10 and only one sender         FT-60 "red cube". My fuel system is as per manual (including         fuel strainers, electric gauge and a return line one way valve).

        

       I considered very carefully the ideal place for         transducer. One is good to go and readings are accurate. See         attachment.

        

       System has operated perfectly and I am very happy about it.         Should be mandatory - it is very accurate and useful. It really         gives you peace of mind. I will never give it away!

        

       I connected it also to GPS - so it even know how much fuel I         will need to my destination and how much I will have after         landing (reserve). Calibration was straight forward and in my         case the per/cent value was 94%.

        

       FDS company service was exellent.

        

       Cheers,

        

       - Raimo OH-XRT 331 hrs Finland

         

       

       2012/9/24 Kevin Challis <kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.co.uk (kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.co.uk)>

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		                          I have fitted a floscan after the return line on the               912uls it works great. I have the ff1 instrument. 

               

               Kevin Challis

             G ODJG tri gear 912uls

               

               

             

                            

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Hi                         there All,                     

                      

                       I’d                         like to install a fuel flow like FuelScan 450                         from JP Instruments.                      

Has                         anyone installed that specific instrument? Or                         installed any other ?                     

Because                         of the fuel return line do you think I need to                         install 2 transducers like Flow Scan 201                     

                      

                      

Max                          Cointe                     

F-PMLH                         Europa_TriGear                     

Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours                     

mcointe(at)free.fr (mcointe(at)free.fr)                     

                    

                 

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max8992

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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:27 am Post subject: fuel flow

Nigel,

There is a mod 12209 approved by FAA stating that for 912ULS a single transducer could fit as the variations of the quantity of fuel returned to tank are small (but dependant of the variation of power setting). I understand that the tuning of factor K should cover it. The same mod states that 2 transducers are mandatory for the 914.

 

Raimo, did you measure the discrepancy at various power setting?  

 

Max  Cointe

F-PMLH Europa_TriGear

Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours

mcointe(at)free.fr (mcointe(at)free.fr)



 

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Objet : Re: fuel flow

 

Hi Raimo,



This is a nice looking bit of kit. Curiosity took me to the FDS website for more info and having downloaded the manual, I notice that they specify a second FT-60 "red cube" flow transducer should be used in the fuel return line when used with a Rotax 912x installation. How did you get away with using only one and still maintain accuracy?



Nigel

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I installed Flight Data System´s FC-10 and only one sender FT-60 "red cube". My fuel system is as per manual (including fuel strainers, electric gauge and a return line one way valve).



 

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europapa

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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: fuel flow

I made my experiences with the installation of only one transducer.

I am using the floscan transducer and a separate fuel computer.

The quantity of fuel that returns may nearly be constant ( not in my installation, as the fuel pressure is for any reason not always the same ) but you can only trick the computer with an matching K-factor for only one defined power setting. 

One of the most important questions to the fuel computer for me is: how much fuel is left in tank after for example two hours flying?

But in a flight we use different power settings so the number the computer showed was rubbish.

So I redesigned the fuel routing:

The fuel line from the mechanical fuel pump now goes all the way back through the fire wall to the cavity where the fuel select switch is.

There I installed a y peace. One line goes with the restrictor in it back to the tank while the other goes in a strait line and with the transducer in line back through the fire wall to the carburetors.

So only the fuel used by the carburetors is measured and the accuracy is outstanding. After burning 40 liters there is only a discrepancy of half a liter.

And I have too all the benefits Raimo mentioned and I agree with him that this system should be mandatory.

Sorry for my bad phrasing.



Juergen

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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: fuel flow

Hi Max,

         

         Thanks for this, I was unaware of the FAA mod approval (though         building under         the auspices of the UK's LAA, I'm not sure how relevant this         is).       

         To expand your question to Raimo, it would be interesting to         know if anyone else has carried out fuel flow tests to see         exactly how much fuel returns under varying load conditions?

            



         Nigel

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Nigel,         

There is a mod 12209 approved by FAA stating             that for 912ULS a single transducer could fit as the             variations of the quantity of fuel returned to tank are             small (but dependant of the variation of power setting). I             understand that the tuning of factor K should cover it. The             same mod states that 2 transducers are mandatory for the             914.         

          

Raimo, did you measure the discrepancy at             various power setting?                      

            

Max                Cointe           

F-PMLH               Europa_TriGear           

Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours           

mcointe(at)free.fr (mcointe(at)free.fr)         

         

                                  

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                 Objet : Re: fuel flow           

         

         

          

Hi Raimo,

           

           This is a nice looking bit of kit. Curiosity took me to the           FDS website for more info and having downloaded the manual, I           notice that they specify a second FT-60 "red cube" flow           transducer should be used in the fuel return line when used           with a Rotax 912x installation. How did you get away with           using only one and still maintain accuracy?

           

           Nigel                    

On 24/09/2012 21:57, Raimo Toivio wrote:         

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Hi Max           

                        

            

                        

I installed Flight Data System´s FC-10               and only one sender FT-60 "red cube". My fuel system is as               per manual (including fuel strainers, electric gauge and a               return line one way valve).           

                        

            

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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: fuel flow

Hi Juergen,

   Re routing the return line in this way is negating the main reason to have it in the first place.

   The main reason for the return line is to purge vapour and hot fuel trapped in the lines close to the carbs, back into the tank. The Manual instructs to have the return line as close as possible to the port [ second in the line] carb, so all of it gets purged.

   Returning  fuel to the tank from the line before the transducer, leaves all the fuel downstream of that, forward of the firewall to the carbs, in the hot cowl after shut down.

   When plumbed as per Manual, the hot fuel gets returned to the tank, with fresh, cool fuel feeding the engine, [ and cooling the lines at the same time].

   If installed in the standard Europa XS cowl, this area gets up to, and sometimes above 80C for a while after shut down on a hot day. If installed as you are describing, you have an accident waiting to happen. [vapour lock in the climbout after a short shutdown].

   Fire sleeve / insulation of the lines is only a half way fix. 

   Regards,

   Nev.

 

 

 

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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:35 am Post subject: fuel flow

Nigel/Max

 

The Mod quoted is the LAA Mod 12209 which I wrote (Not an FAA Mod).  In the document I quoted what some builders had said which was that they had obtained adequate results by assuming the return flow was constant and “fixing” the “K” factor accordingly..

 

The best solution as other have stated is to get a single transducer located after the bleed to the return line.  If you cannot achieve this (and are feeling rich) two transducers (one flow and the other return) is the way to go.

 

 

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours

Europa Club Mods Specialist

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com 

 

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kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: fuel flow

I have 1 sender after the return below the highest point. So any vapour rising to the top of the circuit is returned via the return which is after the high point but before the fuel flow sender. The pipe after the sender is very short and this setup has given no problems even when hot. The accuracy of the fuel flow is brilliant. This setup was recommend by a Rotax expert. I have a xs firewall forward setup.



Kevin Challis



On 26 Sep 2012, at 17:46, Neville Eyre <neveyre(at)aol.com (neveyre(at)aol.com)> wrote:



[quote] Hi Juergen,

   Re routing the return line in this way is negating the main reason to have it in the first place.

   The main reason for the return line is to purge vapour and hot fuel trapped in the lines close to the carbs, back into the tank. The Manual instructs to have the return line as close as possible to the port [ second in the line] carb, so all of it gets purged.

   Returning  fuel to the tank from the line before the transducer, leaves all the fuel downstream of that, forward of the firewall to the carbs, in the hot cowl after shut down.

   When plumbed as per Manual, the hot fuel gets returned to the tank, with fresh, cool fuel feeding the engine, [ and cooling the lines at the same time].

   If installed in the standard Europa XS cowl, this area gets up to, and sometimes above 80C for a while after shut down on a hot day. If installed as you are describing, you have an accident waiting to happen. [vapour lock in the climbout after a short shutdown].

   Fire sleeve / insulation of the lines is only a half way fix. 

   Regards,

   Nev.

 

 

 

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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:12 am Post subject: fuel flow

Hi Ian,

     

     Thanks for this. I was tipped off that it was one of yours and I've     just been reading it - nice work. It answers my question of how to     accurately monitor fuel flow with a return line and just one     transducer - although the required plumbing does leave the     connections to the carburettors exposed to possible vapour lock (as     Nev pointed out).  As with all things in aviation - everything is a     compromise.

     

     Nigel

     

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Nigel/Max         

          

The             Mod quoted is the LAA Mod 12209 which I wrote (Not an FAA             Mod).  In the document I quoted what some builders had said             which was that they had obtained adequate results by             assuming the return flow was constant and “fixing” the “K”             factor accordingly..         

          

The             best solution as other have stated is to get a single             transducer located after the bleed to the return line.  If             you cannot achieve this (and are feeling rich) two             transducers (one flow and the other return) is the way to             go.         

          

          

Ian             Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours

             Europa Club Mods Specialist

             e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com (g-iani(at)ntlworld.com)                      

        

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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: Re: fuel flow

Nev,



thank you for your statement.

As the fuel line to the t-peace with both lines to the carbs is now only less then ten inches long and the fuel comes from behind the fire wall where it is rather cool I am not afraid of a vapor lock to be happen there.

But may be my understanding of the vapor lock problem is not complete.

This summer I had a flight in very hot conditions and a very short stop in between. This has been a good opportunity for a vapor look like in the books.

Nothing happens but this is of course no proof that I am right.

I will take your advice as an occasion to think it over again.



Juergen

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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: fuel flow

Jeurgen

A lot of the heat in the fuel is from the mechanical pump, which is heated by the oil

Graham

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Nev,

thank you for your statement.

As the fuel line to the t-peace with both lines to the carbs is now only less then ten inches long and the fuel comes from behind the fire wall where it is rather cool I am not afraid of a vapor lock to be happen there.

But may be my understanding of the vapor lock problem is not complete.

This summer I had a flight in very hot conditions and a very short stop in between. This has been a good opportunity for a vapor look like in the books.

Nothing happens but this is of course no proof that I am right.

I  will take your advice as an occasion to think it over again.

Juergen

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max8992

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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:27 pm Post subject: fuel flow

Ian,

 

Sorry for the confusion between Yankee’s and Brit’s regulations…

Do not archive

 

Max  Cointe

F-PMLH Europa_TriGear

Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours

mcointe(at)free.fr (mcointe(at)free.fr)



 

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Nigel/Max

 

The Mod quoted is the LAA Mod 12209 which I wrote (Not an FAA Mod).  In the document I quoted what some builders had said which was that they had obtained adequate results by assuming the return flow was constant and “fixing” the “K” factor accordingly..

 

The best solution as other have stated is to get a single transducer located after the bleed to the return line.  If you cannot achieve this (and are feeling rich) two transducers (one flow and the other return) is the way to go.

 

 

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours

Europa Club Mods Specialist

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com (g-iani(at)ntlworld.com) 

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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:44 pm Post subject: fuel flow

All



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		  . After burning 40 liters there is only a discrepancy of half a liter.

 	
 

I have always a full tank before my departure. It is very easy to tell FC-10 that I have refueled: just hit the button and keep it bottom to get a reading "68,1 liters of fuel omboard".

  

After landing it tells I have say 17,4 liters still left. I have verified this many times and accuracy is around +/- 1%. That means there is fuel 17,2 - 17,6 liters omboard. Please remember I have a setup "fuel return line and one transducer only".

  

Later I calibrated it so that I always have about 5% more than it shows. Just in case. 

 

Thanks Jurgen.

 

Cheers, 

 

- Raimo from Finland

  

OH-XRT 330 hrs in 6 summers (100 hrs during this summer + 22 hrs AN-2 flights) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:15 am Post subject: fuel flow

Max

 

Raimo, did you measure the discrepancy at various power setting?  

  

It matches just perfect with all the power settings. I calibrated it after 5 flights to get readings I was happy (I wanted to have 5% fuel more than it shows). Then I verified it after five more flights.

  

I really trust it. When it shows "you have 9 liters of fuel omboard" it is time to select a reserve side (and hope your target is nearby). Especially when flying overseas and you cannot see the coastline at FL 80 it is really your friend in the panel...

  

Mostly I select a window "liters /hour just now". I really wanna get an instant warning if my engine starts to drink more or less without any power adjustments.

 I regularly say every 15 minutes check my endurance and estimated reserve in the target and compare it to the fuel gauge readings AND to the information in my head. 

  

As a curiositet - I had one expert who was helping me to measure fuel quantities. Kim Prout from California was here and helped me. He is a real Europa man and a wonderful person. He is also a master to sing Finnish songs in the karaoke bar...I quarantee!

  

Raimo

 OH-XRT

 

   

 

  

  

  

2012/9/25 Max Cointe <mcointe(at)free.fr (mcointe(at)free.fr)>

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Nigel,  

There is a mod 12209 approved by FAA stating that for 912ULS a single transducer could fit as the variations of the quantity of fuel returned to tank are small (but dependant of the variation of power setting). I understand that the tuning of factor K should cover it. The same mod states that 2 transducers are mandatory for the 914.  

 

Raimo, did you measure the discrepancy at various power setting?    

 

Max  Cointe  

F-PMLH Europa_TriGear

Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours  

mcointe(at)free.fr (mcointe(at)free.fr)  



 

  

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Hi Raimo,



This is a nice looking bit of kit. Curiosity took me to the FDS website for more info and having downloaded the manual, I notice that they specify a second FT-60 "red cube" flow transducer should be used in the fuel return line when used with a Rotax 912x installation. How did you get away with using only one and still maintain accuracy?

  

Nigel

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I installed Flight Data System´s FC-10 and only one sender FT-60 "red cube". My fuel system is as per manual (including fuel strainers, electric gauge and a return line one way valve).  



 

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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:28 am Post subject: fuel flow

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 As a curiositet - I had one expert who was helping me to measure fuel quantities. Kim Prout from California was here and helped me. He is a real Europa man and a wonderful person. He is also a master to sing Finnish songs in the karaoke bar...I quarantee!

   

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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:54 am Post subject: fuel flow

Paul,

 

I consider that (in fact we have a film) and ask also Kim a permission to do that.

His voice was just perfect for a Finnish singer - he would be here a real Super Star.

  

For your pleasure I attach some nice "Kim in Finland" pics - You are a lucky boy!

 

The rest and the best of the pics will be available later in The Europa Flyer (if I ever have time to write a story about Europa Aircraft Nord 2012 Flyin which was an absolute success).

  

-Cheers

 

Raimo

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RWM-SYSTEMS

"älykästä informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta  1980" 



37500  Lempäälä

FINLAND



p. 03 - 3753 777

f. 03 - 3753 100



www.rwm.fi

 info(at)rwm.fi (info(at)rwm.fi)

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