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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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 Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:43 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage |
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I'm with Tim on this. I have only had a couple of times where I thought it would be nice to have a parking brake. I've never been in a spot where I had any trouble without one.
Do not archive.
Jesse SaintI-TEC, Inc.
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On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:
[quote] I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was to hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the brake would have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
From: Robin Marks (robin(at)painttheweb.com)
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
-Mike Kraus
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On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake.
-Rob
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au (rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au)> wrote:
Carlos,
I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.
Warm regards from Oz
Patrick
On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:
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Thanks Bob
I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?
However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.
Carlos
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RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage |
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A couple photos attached on wire conduit and parking brake. Note – the parking brake is attached to the bulkhead that is not in place in this photo.
Carl
From: Carl Froehlich [mailto:carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:41 AM
To: 'rv10-list(at)matronics.com'
Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage
Some thoughts:
<![if !supportLists]>- <![endif]>I used the Van’s parking brake and recommend it. I mounted it under the bulkhead between the panel and firewall so that a reach under the panel provides access. I did not use the Van’s Parking Brake Install Kit as there is no need for a control cable as you move the park lever by hand. This provides a simple but effective arrangement.
<![if !supportLists]>- <![endif]>I put in 6 wire conduits, three running down each side of the fuselage. I ended up filling 5 of the six. I used the Van’s 1” corrugated conduit. I have both EFIS modules mounted in the tail cone (thus you add pitot, static and AOA tubing runs) and an independent two battery electrical system.
<![if !supportLists]>- <![endif]>Antennas must be accessible when done. I mounted both communication antennas under the tunnel, one forward of the other but both aft of the fwd bell crank. The transponder is under the passenger seat and I’ll mount the ADSB antenna under the pilot seat. The nav/ILS antenna is homebrew and mounted in the wingtip. ELT antenna is under the empennage fairing. All antennas perform well. Strongly recommend you defer the fuselage antenna mount site selections until after you first fit up of control surface push tubes and such. This will tell you where you can and cannot mount the antennas. For paint I just put a piece of masking tape on the inside, then did the final antenna mount after paint. Antenna doubler plates of course were riveted before paint.
<![if !supportLists]>- <![endif]>I did not install the stall warning and glassed over the associated wing slot. Two reasons – the Dynon SkyView has a very effective AOA system with audio warning, and over 10 years flying the 8A without a stall warning and never finding the need for one as the airplane itself provides a lot of stall warning.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 8:36 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage
Thanks Bill
Please find comments and additional questions below
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: sábado, 29 de Setembro de 2012 3:30
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
Re antennas, it's a good thing to get settled sooner than later. If you plan on 2 commas, the fuse bottom is the place to put them. One will naturally go under the baggage floor which will become inaccessible soon. You can get a second along with a tpxr antenna under the front seats... But that is easily accessible whenever. I would recommend against a wing tip comm antenna.
Ok, seems logic to install belly antennas before closing down any floor panels. But how did you manage the exterior painting? Tape masking the antennas?
And how about the ELT antenna? Did you put it inside or in the upper surface of the tail cone?
FPS, check. Parking break, check
Which FPS? The electro-mechanic 3-position one or the electronic one (with trim compensation) from “Aircraft Extras”?
I have a lot of electrical and avionics stuff. Two conduits is not quite enough. I suggest wiring as much as you with the baggage floor open (the Vans electrical plan is a good one to follow for basic electricals). Then leave some open conduit for after the floor is closed. For example, I have 2 batts, strobe pwr, dual GRT AHRS, NavWorx ADSB, ELT plus pitch trim and AP. Some other items to consider are rear seat audio jacks, static line, and a cig lighter power jack for all those portables.
Ok, I think I will go with 3 conduits…
I used 2 Vans hatch kits (same as hatch for stall warning assembly) to provide access to the step structure (probably overkill).
Which exactly are these hatch kits?
I used extra Vans strobe pwr mounts for my ELT and ADSB units. The Vans AHRS mount kit was used too.
Good, I still have the one I bought for my -9A and didn’t use
On an unrelated note re the stall warning system in the wing. I flew the first 100 hours with it disconnected. Never missed it. Finally hooked it up and flew another 100 hours. It's very nice to have it just as an extra data point for the flare.
Bill Watson
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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:58 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage |
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On 9/29/2012 8:35 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
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Thanks Bill
Please find comments and additional questions below
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
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To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
Re antennas, it's a good thing to get settled sooner than later. If you plan on 2 commas, the fuse bottom is the place to put them. One will naturally go under the baggage floor which will become inaccessible soon. You can get a second along with a tpxr antenna under the front seats... But that is easily accessible whenever. I would recommend against a wing tip comm antenna.
Ok, seems logic to install belly antennas before closing down any floor panels. But how did you manage the exterior painting? Tape masking the antennas?
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The critical antenna(s) are any that you place under the baggage floor. I have 1 VHF antenna there. I installed it with the floor off using blind nuts. I copied Tim and others in the way I did that. As I recall, there is a doubling plate to provide stiffness and to mount the blind nuts. So it was not necessary rivet the nuts to the outer skin. Then, before closing up the skin, I fastened string/wire to the BNC connector to make it easy to fish out later. This may have required a slightly larger hole for the connector to fit thru the outer skin but I can't recall. Then I taped it for paint. Closed up the floor, wait 2 years, painted, then almost forgot how I had prepared the antenna. After 2 days of head scratching, I pulled the connector thru and bolted on the antenna. Lesson; don't assume some nifty idea used some time ago will be recalled after everything is buttoned up.
My transponder and 2nd VHF antenna are under the front seats but that area is fully accessible for regular nuts and post-paint installation.
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I mounted it on the upper surface. I put it there because it was an after paint install due to the late availability of the ACK ELT. I just didn't feel like pulling the fairing off the tail and doing a bunch of tailcone installation work. I hate it there sticking out in the slipstream, the most prominent protuberance on the aircraft. But some other experiences have led me to think it is best there. Of course I assume it will never be needed. If it is needed however, it will be the most important antenna on the plane. In that case, I want it installed per the spec even though there's a pretty good case for installing under the tail fairing. But I'm glad it's where it is.
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FPS, check. Parking break, check
Which FPS? The electro-mechanic 3-position one or the electronic one (with trim compensation) from “Aircraft Extras”?
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I have the electro-mechanical 3pos. It works great. Had a hiccup with it where it no longer did the automatic thing. The fix was known (some readjustment and tightening of some mechanics) but I put off fixing it for 4 or 5 months of flying. I learned 2 things - manual control works just fine, and that visual confirmation of flap position is easy in the '10. No indicator is really needed, even in the soup. Now that the 3 pos thing is working again, I love it. I would have consider the electronic one if it had been available.
Re Parking Brake: I put one in because I was used to having one in my Maule where I used it a lot. My home airport's gas pump is on a slope. The Maule would roll, the '10 can be positioned so it won't, but the brake makes it a piece of cake. Flying to other airports, I use the brake sparingly but it does come in handy. It's a tool which you can operate with or without. Without it, I'd say you must carry chocks with you. I don't carry chocks but have the brake. Carrying chocks is a good idea anyway because too many times, the FBO won't have chocks that will fit under the pants. With the brake, you have to be careful NOT to use it if you will be towed. Oh, and my brake unit leaked and had to be returned to the supplier for a known fix.
At KGKY, the line guy removed the chocks while I was loading. The '10 was on a slight slope and after a few mins, started to roll backwards into a fence. I was close enough to throw my body behind it and stop it. Sometimes unusual stuff just happens.
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I have a lot of electrical and avionics stuff. Two conduits is not quite enough. I suggest wiring as much as you with the baggage floor open (the Vans electrical plan is a good one to follow for basic electricals). Then leave some open conduit for after the floor is closed. For example, I have 2 batts, strobe pwr, dual GRT AHRS, NavWorx ADSB, ELT plus pitch trim and AP. Some other items to consider are rear seat audio jacks, static line, and a cig lighter power jack for all those portables.
Ok, I think I will go with 3 conduits…
I used 2 Vans hatch kits (same as hatch for stall warning assembly) to provide access to the step structure (probably overkill).
Which exactly are these hatch kits?
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I used extra Vans strobe pwr mounts for my ELT and ADSB units. The Vans AHRS mount kit was used too.
Good, I still have the one I bought for my -9A and didn’t use
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I use 3 of them
I was just looking at my receipts - 2 misc items
Slick Start - this is a FWF item that you will need if you are getting the factory engine and running mags.
I just picked up the Vans RV10 Cowl plug set after having a NJ Starling build a condo in my engine compartment in 2 days. Should have known better.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject: Extras in Fuselage |
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If you have it, you will use it. The question is, is it really necessary? 600 RV hours on 2 planes and never really needed it....
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On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> wrote:
[quote] I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was to hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the brake would have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
From: Robin Marks
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake
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Kellym
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:43 pm Post subject: Extras in Fuselage |
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Well, two weeks ago I was at the Mariposa airport to go to Yosemite.
Runway 1% grade, ramp about 2 percent grade and no way to hold the plane
without parking brake. Maybe it is more of a western thing, although I
recall somewhere like Martinsvill, eWV as another with sloped ramp. Yes
it is a small percentage, but when needed, very handy.
On 9/29/2012 9:40 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
[quote] I'm with Tim on this. I have only had a couple of times where I
thought it would be nice to have a parking brake. I've never been in a
spot where I had any trouble without one.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org <mailto:jesse(at)itecusa.org>
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
www.mavericklsa.com <http://www.mavericklsa.com>
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com
<mailto:rv10flyer(at)live.com>> wrote:
> I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time
> was to hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having
> the brake would have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
> I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
> *From:* Robin Marks <mailto:robin(at)painttheweb.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
> I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple,
> light and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
>
> Robin
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Kraus
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
>
> I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've
> never had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost,
> complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
>
> -Mike Kraus
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com
> <mailto:rv10rob(at)gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I
> have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I
> had a parking brake.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis
> <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au <mailto:rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>> wrote:
>
> Carlos,
>
> I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require
> more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted
> access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the
> fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the
> floors.
>
> Warm regards from Oz
>
> Patrick
> On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
> <mailto:trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob
>
> I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big
> conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the
> baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?
>
> However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I
> was referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a
> parking brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.
>
> Carlos
>
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robertbrunk(at)mac.com
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:48 pm Post subject: Extras in Fuselage |
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I have had the same experience as Tim and Jesse. I could have used it 1 time in 400 hrs. Robert
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On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm with Tim on this. I have only had a couple of times where I thought it would be nice to have a parking brake. I've never been in a spot where I had any trouble without one.
Do not archive.
Jesse SaintI-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was to hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the brake would have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
From: Robin Marks (robin(at)painttheweb.com)
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake.
-Rob
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au (rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au)> wrote:
Carlos,
I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.
Warm regards from Oz
Patrick
On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:
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Thanks Bob
I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?
However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.
Carlos
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Albert Gardner
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject: Extras in Fuselage |
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I landed at Shelby Montana for gas one breezy day. Taxied up to the SS pump and gassed up. Went into the shack there to sign their log (unattended airport) and when I came out the plane had turned 180 deg. By good luck the nose wheel was hard over and the spin didn’t cause the tail or wings to strike anything. I now have a parking brake and always use it.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:44 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I have had the same experience as Tim and Jesse. I could have used it 1 time in 400 hrs. Robert
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
[quote]
I'm with Tim on this. I have only had a couple of times where I thought it would be nice to have a parking brake. I've never been in a spot where I had any trouble without one.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
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On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:
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I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was to hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the brake would have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
From: Robin Marks (robin(at)painttheweb.com)
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]
Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake.
-Rob
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au (rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au)> wrote:
Carlos,
I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.
Warm regards from Oz
Patrick
On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:
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Thanks Bob
I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?
However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.
Carlos
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:43 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage |
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I am quite surprised that Tim, who has traveled the country does not see a need for a parking brake. I don’t travel near enough in comparison and I have already used mine 4 times. It’s insurance, it’s easy to do while building and good to have if ever needed, if one flies alone often, ask yourself what you’ll do if you are in a parking spot that has an incline. We go camping at a airport that is like this, if you want to camp there you need someone to get out and chock the plane before getting out. I guess whenever mine starts to leak I may need to determine what to do next, but thankfully there has been no issues with mine. I apply it, get out of the plane, chock the plane and release the parking brake. If I don’t need it 98% of the time I don’t use it, but glad to have it when I need it.
From: Albert Gardner (ibspud(at)roadrunner.com)
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I landed at Shelby Montana for gas one breezy day. Taxied up to the SS pump and gassed up. Went into the shack there to sign their log (unattended airport) and when I came out the plane had turned 180 deg. By good luck the nose wheel was hard over and the spin didn’t cause the tail or wings to strike anything. I now have a parking brake and always use it.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:44 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I have had the same experience as Tim and Jesse. I could have used it 1 time in 400 hrs. Robert
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
[quote]
I'm with Tim on this. I have only had a couple of times where I thought it would be nice to have a parking brake. I've never been in a spot where I had any trouble without one.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:
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I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was to hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the brake would have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
From: Robin Marks (robin(at)painttheweb.com)
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake.
-Rob
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au (rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au)> wrote:
Carlos,
I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.
Warm regards from Oz
Patrick
On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:
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Thanks Bob
I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?
However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.
Carlos
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bwestfall
Joined: 22 Oct 2008
Posts: 131
Location: Portland, OR
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:49 am Post subject: Extras in Fuselage |
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I’d turn the plane sideways under power and/or taxi it to some place where I can plant a wheel where it won’t be as likely to roll (grass or what have you). I recall needing the inop parking brake in my Cessna once in 600 or so hours. I don’t recall what I did though when needing it though so it must have been a non event. I would definitely use a parking brake in the 10 if installed but I chose not to install one in my in progress kit.
-Ben
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 7:43 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I am quite surprised that Tim, who has traveled the country does not see a need for a parking brake. I don’t travel near enough in comparison and I have already used mine 4 times. It’s insurance, it’s easy to do while building and good to have if ever needed, if one flies alone often, ask yourself what you’ll do if you are in a parking spot that has an incline. We go camping at a airport that is like this, if you want to camp there you need someone to get out and chock the plane before getting out. I guess whenever mine starts to leak I may need to determine what to do next, but thankfully there has been no issues with mine. I apply it, get out of the plane, chock the plane and release the parking brake. If I don’t need it 98% of the time I don’t use it, but glad to have it when I need it.
From: Albert Gardner (ibspud(at)roadrunner.com)
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I landed at Shelby Montana for gas one breezy day. Taxied up to the SS pump and gassed up. Went into the shack there to sign their log (unattended airport) and when I came out the plane had turned 180 deg. By good luck the nose wheel was hard over and the spin didn’t cause the tail or wings to strike anything. I now have a parking brake and always use it.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:44 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I have had the same experience as Tim and Jesse. I could have used it 1 time in 400 hrs. Robert
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
[quote]
I'm with Tim on this. I have only had a couple of times where I thought it would be nice to have a parking brake. I've never been in a spot where I had any trouble without one.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:25 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:
[quote]
I use the parking brake more than I ever thought I would. Last time was to hold the plane steady while I chocked it in place. Not having the brake would have resulted in a moving plane on the slight incline.
I am glad I installed mine. I use it!
From: Robin Marks (robin(at)painttheweb.com)
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:10 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I enjoy having my Parking Brakes on both the 8 & 10. Very simple, light and relatively inexpensive. Worth the minor effort in my opinion.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:05 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
I had an RV-4 for ~500 hours and a RV-10 for ~100 hours and I've never had a parking brake either. For me it was just added cost, complexity, weight, and more potential brake fluid leak paths....
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 28, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]
Just to represent the other side of the parking brake question, I have ~150 hours and have never had a circumstance where I wish I had a parking brake.
-Rob
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au (rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au)> wrote:
Carlos,
I'd recommend the park brake; an overhead console if you require more airflow (it gets really hot here in Australia); I fitted access hatches to enable me to get into the tunnel to service the fuel pump and consider antenna placement before you close up the floors.
Warm regards from Oz
Patrick
On 29/09/2012, at 8:24 AM, "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:
[quote]
Thanks Bob
I already had thought of that, so I plan to put 1 or 2 big conduits. Do they have to go from the tail cone, behind the baggage bulkhead, all the way through the instrument panel?
However, what I meant for Extras to put in the fuselage, I was referring to gizmos not included in the kit, like a parking brake valve or some cockpit lights, or something else.
Carlos
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:46 pm Post subject: Extras in Fuselage |
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Full Disclosure - I have a parking brake and had one on my Maule. I like it on the '10 after the leak was fixed.
A parking brake is just a tool, an accessory. Differential braking is a requirement, a parking brake is optional.  A parking brake can leak, possibly fail, possibly cause future failures, it has weight, it can be misused.
Without it, you may not park in a certain place or you may re-orient the plane. You'll probably carry chocks. In any case you will easily work around not having it. No problem.
With it, you can use it to encourage the plane not to move in certain situations. You can generally leave the chocks at home. You'll use it a lot when you don't need it. It may save your bacon one day but probably not. It is just a convenience. It may cause you to cancel a flight because it malfunctions in some way.
It's like GPS or cockpit weather - we flew with out that stuff but we can do more with that stuff. Actually it's not like either of them because a parking brake isn't going to enable any flights you wouldn't otherwise make. It doesn't really make anything safer. It's just a convenience. More than a cup holder, much less than a tow bar.
I was thinking about how one should decide what accessories to put in and which ones to leave out. I like all the ones I have. I don't need any of the ones I didn't put in. So much for that decision process.
Bill "very happy" Watson
On 10/1/2012 3:46 PM, Ben Westfall wrote:
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I’d turn the plane sideways under power and/or taxi it to some place where I can plant a wheel where it won’t be as likely to roll (grass or what have you). I recall needing the inop parking brake in my Cessna once in 600 or so hours. I don’t recall what I did though when needing it though so it must have been a non event. I would definitely use a parking brake in the 10 if installed but I chose not to install one in my in progress kit.
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-Ben
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 7:43 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extras in Fuselage
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I am quite surprised that Tim, who has traveled the country does not see a need for a parking brake. I don’t travel near enough in comparison and I have already used mine 4 times. It’s insurance, it’s easy to do while building and good to have if ever needed, if one flies alone often, ask yourself what you’ll do if you are in a parking spot that has an incline. We go camping at a airport that is like this, if you want to camp there you need someone to get out and chock the plane before getting out. I guess whenever mine starts to leak I may need to determine what to do next, but thankfully there has been no issues with mine. I apply it, get out of the plane, chock the plane and release the parking brake. If I don’t need it 98% of the time I don’t use it, but glad to have it when I need it.
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