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CaliPaul

Joined: 28 Dec 2012
Posts: 3
Location: Antioch, CA

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:31 am Post subject: Antioch, CA

Hello,



My name is Paul and I am new to California. Moved here for the job and I love flying. I've been flying GA for several years but sold my plane a while back. I would like to find something I can take home each day after flying and save the hanger rent. I'm interested in the Mark 3 X with a 912(used to the engine) but would consider other aircraft. If anyone is from the area that flies one I would love to meet up and buy a cup of coffee to either see theirs and/or get advice on their flying characteristics and verify it will meet my mission. 



Thanks

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Steve Simmons

Joined: 29 Dec 2009
Posts: 30
Location: Talbott TN

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: Antioch, CA

Iam not from your area but I am sure transportation could be arranged



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alienwes

Joined: 11 Dec 2012
Posts: 64
Location: Roswell, NM

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Antioch, CA

Barnstormers has two 912 Mark III listed in December. Maybe look into one of those?

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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: Antioch, CA

Paul



You can't do much better than a Kolb depending its mission. It is a STOL airplane that is not real fast.

I think they advertise that a MKIIIX can be folded up in 15-30 minutes but it is a hassle that most of us don't do every time we fly. If you do you will not fly much. Setting it up takes longer because you need to make sure everything is right. I used to have a private short strip next to my home with a hanger and that was ideal. It pains me to say I moved and now keep it at a local airport. For a few years I folded the plane, loaded it in my enclosed trailer and hauled it home in Michigan for the 6 months I spend in Florida. Any way now I fold the plane up for the winter in the shared hanger for reduced rent. One winter I pulled the plane to Florida with my Toyota Sienna but that was a real pain pulling that long trailer. It added a day to traveling time and hanger space in Florida is more than twice the Michigan cost so it stays home now.

 



Rick Neilsen

1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC



On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM, CaliPaul <paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com (paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 Hello,

 

 My name is Paul and I am new to California. Moved here for the job and I love flying. I've been flying GA for several years but sold my plane a while back. I would like to find something I can take home each day after flying and save the hanger rent. I'm interested in the Mark 3 X with a 912(used to the engine) but would consider other aircraft. If anyone is from the area I would love to meet up and buy a cup of coffee.

  

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alienwes

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Location: Roswell, NM

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Antioch, CA

I found this video on the KOLB website. Shows how easy it is to fold the wings.



http://www.kolbaircraft.com/foldingwings.htm



He does it in 11 minutes and I am sure one could do it faster. Compared to unpacking and laying out a PPC parachute wing I would say it is comparable. I have read of some KOLB owners who are very happy to fold and unfold everytime. Some of the steps are part of a a good preflight checklist as well. 



Wes

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CaliPaul

Joined: 28 Dec 2012
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Location: Antioch, CA

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Antioch, CA

Wes,



That was the best video I've seen in showing the steps involved. I must have overlooked it on their website when browsing it prior. Thanks for sharing.



Over the course of time I have heard folks say that it really takes them 30-60 minutes to fold or unfold the wings however based off of this I'm going to guess it is more of the whole preflight or unloading off a trailer that maybe draws out that time. I'm now pretty confident my 14yr old son and I could do this by ourselves. 



Paul

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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:16 am Post subject: Antioch, CA

Wes



Just trying to help. Sorry thought you were asking. 

With the wings folded the tail is overloaded and the ground clearance is very low. To move it home you need a long trailer and it needs to be loaded on the trailer so maybe that is the rest of the story.

 



Check out the following web site http://www.oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm  for trailer ideas. Also consider that most of these trailers require a big tow vehicle.

 



Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC 



On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:19 AM, alienwes <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com (elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com (elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com)>

  

 I found this video on the KOLB website. Shows how easy it is to fold the wings.

 

 http://www.kolbaircraft.com/foldingwings.htm

 

 He does it in 11 minutes and I am sure one could do it faster. Compared to unpacking and laying out a PPC parachute wing I would say it is comparable. I have read of some KOLB owners who are very happy to fold and unfold everytime. Some of the steps are part of a a good preflight checklist as well.

  

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rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Houston

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:27 am Post subject: Antioch, CA

I unfold then refold my MkIIIC (Rotax 912ULS) each time I fly.  Back in 2007, I made this video (which isn't so much an instruction as it is a demonstration):



   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGblkR8cdYE

 



It takes about 20 minutes to unfold, and about 25 minutes to refold my Kolb.

I have a trailer but only use it rarely for transportation.  Normally, my Kolb is rolled up into my large workshop, which only takes a couple of minutes.

 



  -- Robert

P.S.  I'm thinking about selling it.

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:07 AM, CaliPaul <paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com (paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CaliPaul" <paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com (paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com)>

  

 Wes,

 

 That was the best video I've seen in showing the steps involved. I must have overlooked it on their website when browsing it prior. Thanks for sharing.

 

 Over the course of time I have heard folks say that it really takes them 30-60 minutes to fold or unfold the wings however based off of this I'm going to guess it is more of the whole preflight or unloading off a trailer that maybe draws out that time. I'm now pretty confident my 14yr old son and I could do this by ourselves.

  

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alienwes

Joined: 11 Dec 2012
Posts: 64
Location: Roswell, NM

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Antioch, CA

Another cool video on folding/unfolding! The time lapsed fast speed was cool. Have you posted your KOLB for sale yet or still unsure?



Wes

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rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Houston

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:21 am Post subject: Antioch, CA

It's not yet posted.  I'm currently replacing the brake cylinders.. when that's done, I'll post it.



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Another cool video on folding/unfolding! The time lapsed fast speed was cool. Have you posted your KOLB for sale yet or still unsure?

 

 Wes

 

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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:16 am Post subject: Antioch, CA

It takes me 10 minutes to unfold my Ultrastar, starting with unlocking the trailer.  I fold/unfold every time I fly.  I keep the plane in the trailer at the airport for the outdoor tiedown rate which is far cheaper than a hangar, and tow it home only to work on it or for winter storage.  Add a few more minutes if it's tied down inside the trailer for towing.  Here's another video of the process:



 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMdPk6KjHDM&list=UU_nPeJ0w_803-4ZUNMg-hMg&index=9>



 -Dana



 At 11:07 AM 12/29/2012, CaliPaul wrote:

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		  --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CaliPaul" <paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com>



 Wes,



 That was the best video I've seen in showing the steps involved. I must have overlooked it on their website when browsing it prior. Thanks for sharing.



 Over the course of time I have heard folks say that it really takes them 30-60 minutes to fold or unfold the wings however based off of this I'm going to guess it is more of the whole preflight or unloading off a trailer that maybe draws out that time. I'm now pretty confident my 14yr old son and I could do this by ourselves. 	


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 If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people?   

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phactor9

Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 78

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:26 pm Post subject: Antioch, CA

It takes me exactly 2 mins and 51 secs to unfold, trailer, fold, and store my Firefly  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqSVwTGYO6o



I also live 0.40 miles from Dallas Bay Skypark (1a0) so I keep my Firefly at home in the carport. I have a very simple modified T-trailer.



Phil H

FF11-4-76



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From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>

Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Antioch, CA

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 1:08 PM



 It takes me 10 minutes to unfold my Ultrastar, starting with unlocking the trailer.  I fold/unfold every time I fly.  I keep the plane in the trailer at the airport for the outdoor tiedown rate which is far cheaper than a hangar, and tow it home only to work on it or for winter storage.  Add a few more minutes if it's tied down inside the trailer for towing.  Here's another video of the process:



 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMdPk6KjHDM&list=UU_nPeJ0w_803-4ZUNMg-hMg&index=9>



 -Dana



 At 11:07 AM 12/29/2012, CaliPaul wrote:

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		  --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CaliPaul" <paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com>



 Wes,



 That was the best video I've seen in showing the steps involved. I must have overlooked it on their website when browsing it prior. Thanks for sharing.



 Over the course of time I have heard folks say that it really takes them 30-60 minutes to fold or unfold the wings however based off of this I'm going to guess it is more of the whole preflight or unloading off a trailer that maybe draws out that time. I'm now pretty confident my 14yr old son and I could do this by ourselves. 	


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alienwes

Joined: 11 Dec 2012
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Antioch, CA

Phil, Dana,



Nice Vids! I noticed someone commented on youtube that they were jealous because there MX was difficult to fold. I was initially researching the Quicksilver line but was turned off by the lack of tranportability.



Wes

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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:27 am Post subject: Antioch, CA

Hi I am a uk kolb owner. I keep mine at the airfield folded in its trailer 

as there is no available hangarage , and unfold /fold every time I fly and 

15 mins is about right to unfold  on my own and do a thorough pre flight 

inspection .I could do it faster but I would rather do it in a leisurely 

careful manner and then not be worried Ive missed something . Once you get 

used to the routine its not really a big deal. I have friends here who keep 

their aircraft rigged in the open with covers on and they can get the covers 

off faster than I can rig my plane , but then, I can de rig and be away 

before they have all their covers back on and the plane tied down. Sure I 

would like to just roll her out of a hanger and fly but that is not 

available in my area unless I pay at least three times the airfield fees( 

currently flying from a farm  at Ince blundell just north of Liverpool uk ) 

and also would miss the good friends at this microlight ( ultralight for 

you ) club . Dont let the folding and unfolding put you of owning a kolb and 

make sure you have a good checklist ( I'm sure otheres here could help you 

far better than I with a proven checklist ) for your rigging to fly and you 

wont go far wrong

 Eddie Bayliss

kolb mk111c

582 rotax

arplast prop

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:54 am Post subject: Antioch, CA

Hi I am a uk kolb owner.    Eddie Bayliss kolb mk111c

 

Hi Eddie B/Kolbers:



Good to see you posting.



Hope all is well with you and the rest of the Kolbers in the

UK.



Happy New Year to all,



john h

mkIII

Woodville, FL

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e.bayliss(at)blueyonder.c
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:32 am Post subject: Antioch, CA

Thanks John

and the same to all on the list ,I dont post much but am lurking around and 

usually learning something all the time

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:56 am Post subject: Antioch, CA

Hi Eddie,

anybody Liverpool way want to buy my Mark 3 Xtra with Jabiru>



Less than 100 hours and she has just been sitting (hangared)  since the last 

C of A as I am medically grounded. Not because I can`t fly but because I 

cannot now handle the pulley hauley on the ground, pushing in and out of the 

hangar, handling fuel etc.



No reasonable (or unreasonable) offer refused.



An absolute snip for someone. The kit alone is around 17K. I shall be 

starting to advertise again now with Spring just around the corner (heh heh)



Happy New Year



Pat

CaliPaul

Joined: 28 Dec 2012
Posts: 3
Location: Antioch, CA

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Antioch, CA

I'm interested. Pvt email sent.

e.bayliss(at)blueyonder.c
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:34 pm Post subject: Antioch, CA

Hi Pat

not that I know of. Most people shy away from the tail wheel in these parts 

.there have only been a couple of pilots here I have been able to persuade 

to try mine and they all run back to their nose wheel aircraft .Cant for the 

life of me think why but there you go.

I will repeat my offer if your ever in this end of the country look me up 

and we will go and have a potteraround the local area and get you a kolb fix

Eddie

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:48 am Post subject: Antioch, CA

they all run back to their nose wheel aircraft >>



Hi Eddie,

I still have a sticker on my car which says `Real pilots fly taildraggers`



Cheers



Pat

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