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It's kind of late to ask this, but how do folks secure their plane when they park it away from their home airport?
I built my 6A canopy latch exactly as shown in the plans - it's two flimsy 1/8" pieces of aluminum. I could have drilled a hole in the 2 pieces to accept a small padlock, but I never did. It seemed pointless. The lock could snipped and my radios swiped in a minute.
Does any one have any ideas/philosophy on this issue?
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Dale Ensing
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I have a 6A slider. My lock is in the slider side panel and goes into the roller track. Works well, at least as a deterrent.
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[quote]It's kind of late to ask this, but how do folks secure their plane when they park it away from their home airport?
I built my 6A canopy latch exactly as shown in the plans - it's two flimsy 1/8" pieces of aluminum. I could have drilled a hole in the 2 pieces to accept a small padlock, but I never did. It seemed pointless. The lock could snipped and my radios swiped in a minute.
Does any one have any ideas/philosophy on this issue?
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gene.lee(at)gte.net
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:07 pm Post subject: locking up the plane |
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I have the ‘flimsy padlock’ method on my 7. It works well to keep the ‘honest’ people out. Sadly, the dishonest ones will get in no matter what kind of lock you put on it
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Subject: locking up the plane
It's kind of late to ask this, but how do folks secure their plane when they park it away from their home airport?
I built my 6A canopy latch exactly as shown in the plans - it's two flimsy 1/8" pieces of aluminum. I could have drilled a hole in the 2 pieces to accept a small padlock, but I never did. It seemed pointless. The lock could snipped and my radios swiped in a minute.
Does any one have any ideas/philosophy on this issue?
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RV-6A
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tfarrell839
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:08 pm Post subject: locking up the plane |
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Did anyone post the Cleaveland Tool option yet?
http://www.cleavelandtool.com/Canopy-Lock-for-Sliders-6-7-8-9/productinfo/RVCL/#.UWNNrcqGeO0
On 4/8/2013 4:05 PM, Dale Ensing wrote:
[quote] I have a 6A slider. My lock is in the slider side panel and goes into the roller track. Works well, at least as a deterrent.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 8, 2013, at 18:52, thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com (sarg314(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | It's kind of late to ask this, but how do folks secure their plane when they park it away from their home airport?
I built my 6A canopy latch exactly as shown in the plans - it's two flimsy 1/8" pieces of aluminum. I could have drilled a hole in the 2 pieces to accept a small padlock, but I never did. It seemed pointless. The lock could snipped and my radios swiped in a minute.
Does any one have any ideas/philosophy on this issue?
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stein(at)steinair.com
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:18 pm Post subject: locking up the plane |
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Hi Tom,
Ever since we had a customer get his airplane broken in to so the thieves could quickly steal his headsets…I quit locking my plane. You see, in the aforementioned case the customer with a 185 had recently installed all new glass (windows, windscreen, etc..) to the tune of over $5K on his plane; only to have the door wrecked and the window in the door broke so the thieves could steal a few hundred dollars in headsets! In our first RV6 we built in some good solid locks, but since then I just leave it unlocked. My opinion is now the best deterrent you can have is a nice quality canopy cover – it’s likely that folks are looking for easy and fast targets and the canopy cover helps that out. Also note I had another very old friend many years ago with a C150 in an open hangar that got broke into; his solution was to drill a hole in both doors and run a rod all the way through the airplane with a padlock on it. All that did was mean the next time the criminals broke the window trying to get in!
Just my 2 cents as usual.
Cheers,
Stein
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Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 5:52 PM
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Subject: locking up the plane
It's kind of late to ask this, but how do folks secure their plane when they park it away from their home airport?
I built my 6A canopy latch exactly as shown in the plans - it's two flimsy 1/8" pieces of aluminum. I could have drilled a hole in the 2 pieces to accept a small padlock, but I never did. It seemed pointless. The lock could snipped and my radios swiped in a minute.
Does any one have any ideas/philosophy on this issue?
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Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:20 pm Post subject: locking up the plane |
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When I had a Tip Up 6A I placed a towel on the dash that covered the panel to protect from the sun. But it also prevented people from knowing exactly what was in my panel w/o breaking in. If overnight I also used a canopy cover not that it is a deterrent but it is another step they have to take just to see if there is anything worth taking. I did have an integrated lock on the canopy but again if they want something more damage can be done gaining access than taking the electronics.
Like most things the ultimate answer is still your insurance policy.
Robin
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Farrell
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 4:08 PM
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Subject: Re: RV-List: locking up the plane
Did anyone post the Cleaveland Tool option yet?
http://www.cleavelandtool.com/Canopy-Lock-for-Sliders-6-7-8-9/productinfo/RVCL/#.UWNNrcqGeO0
On 4/8/2013 4:05 PM, Dale Ensing wrote:
I have a 6A slider. My lock is in the slider side panel and goes into the roller track. Works well, at least as a deterrent.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 8, 2013, at 18:52, thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com<mailto:sarg314(at)gmail.com>> wrote:
It's kind of late to ask this, but how do folks secure their plane when they park it away from their home airport?
I built my 6A canopy latch exactly as shown in the plans - it's two flimsy 1/8" pieces of aluminum. I could have drilled a hole in the 2 pieces to accept a small padlock, but I never did. It seemed pointless. The lock could snipped and my radios swiped in a minute.
Does any one have any ideas/philosophy on this issue?
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Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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www.aircraftersLLC.com<http://www.aircraftersLLC.com>
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:30 pm Post subject: locking up the plane |
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I don’t lock mine either. The canopy is easily a thousand dollars of parts, plus paint and another 100 hours of labor to rebuild if someone damaged it. My spare time is easily worth $100/hour to me, and shop rates are $75/hr, so a canopy replacement is pushing $10k in parts and labor (or opportunity cost). Add to that the downtime and the fact that the airplane is most likely to get broken into “on the road” where I’d be SOL in many ways (away from home, no tools, no place to put the airplane, no place to do the work, etc) and I’d much prefer that a thief just slide the canopy open and take what s/he wants.
Kyle
From: Stein Bruch (stein(at)steinair.com)
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 7:17 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: locking up the plane
Hi Tom,
Ever since we had a customer get his airplane broken in to so the thieves could quickly steal his headsets…I quit locking my plane. You see, in the aforementioned case the customer with a 185 had recently installed all new glass (windows, windscreen, etc..) to the tune of over $5K on his plane; only to have the door wrecked and the window in the door broke so the thieves could steal a few hundred dollars in headsets! In our first RV6 we built in some good solid locks, but since then I just leave it unlocked. My opinion is now the best deterrent you can have is a nice quality canopy cover – it’s likely that folks are looking for easy and fast targets and the canopy cover helps that out. Also note I had another very old friend many years ago with a C150 in an open hangar that got broke into; his solution was to drill a hole in both doors and run a rod all the way through the airplane with a padlock on it. All that did was mean the next time the criminals broke the window trying to get in!
Just my 2 cents as usual.
Cheers,
Stein
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Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 5:52 PM
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Subject: locking up the plane
It's kind of late to ask this, but how do folks secure their plane when they park it away from their home airport?
I built my 6A canopy latch exactly as shown in the plans - it's two flimsy 1/8" pieces of aluminum. I could have drilled a hole in the 2 pieces to accept a small padlock, but I never did. It seemed pointless. The lock could snipped and my radios swiped in a minute.
Does any one have any ideas/philosophy on this issue?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:24 pm Post subject: locking up the plane |
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Go ahead and put on the flimsy lock. And buy a canopy cover. If they see something they want and can't get in easily they'll smash the canopy and get it. If they can't see in then that removes one of the criteria. the flimsy lock will keep out the 'mostly honest' and they'll go somewhere else. A simple cabinet lock will be much prettier ..... if you have somewhere to put it.
Linn
On 4/8/2013 6:52 PM, thomas sargent wrote:
[quote] It's kind of late to ask this, but how do folks secure their plane when they park it away from their home airport?
I built my 6A canopy latch exactly as shown in the plans - it's two flimsy 1/8" pieces of aluminum. I could have drilled a hole in the 2 pieces to accept a small padlock, but I never did. It seemed pointless. The lock could snipped and my radios swiped in a minute.
Does any one have any ideas/philosophy on this issue?
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Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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tfarrell839
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:27 pm Post subject: locking up the plane |
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Kyle,
You are right. Replacing an 8 canopy takes a long time. We are very familiar with the process. It's more like 40-50 hours in our shop, but we are still talking about 1000s of dollars.
Out of sight out of mind seems like the best approach to me as well.
If there is one place I would want to have the lock, however, it would be at AirVenture or other airshows. That way people can see the inside of your amazing airplane, yet you keep out the occasional over curious person.
-Tim
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I don’t lock mine either. The canopy is easily a thousand dollars of parts, plus paint and another 100 hours of labor to rebuild if someone damaged it. My spare time is easily worth $100/hour to me, and shop rates are $75/hr, so a canopy replacement is pushing $10k in parts and labor (or opportunity cost). Add to that the downtime and the fact that the airplane is most likely to get broken into “on the road” where I’d be SOL in many ways (away from home, no tools, no place to put the airplane, no place to do the work, etc) and I’d much prefer that a thief just slide the canopy open and take what s/he wants.
Kyle
From: Stein Bruch (stein(at)steinair.com)
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 7:17 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: locking up the plane
Hi Tom,
Ever since we had a customer get his airplane broken in to so the thieves could quickly steal his headsets…I quit locking my plane. You see, in the aforementioned case the customer with a 185 had recently installed all new glass (windows, windscreen, etc..) to the tune of over $5K on his plane; only to have the door wrecked and the window in the door broke so the thieves could steal a few hundred dollars in headsets! In our first RV6 we built in some good solid locks, but since then I just leave it unlocked. My opinion is now the best deterrent you can have is a nice quality canopy cover – it’s likely that folks are looking for easy and fast targets and the canopy cover helps that out. Also note I had another very old friend many years ago with a C150 in an open hangar that got broke into; his solution was to drill a hole in both doors and run a rod all the way through the airplane with a padlock on it. All that did was mean the next time the criminals broke the window trying to get in!
Just my 2 cents as usual.
Cheers,
Stein
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of thomas sargent
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 5:52 PM
To: rv-list
Subject: locking up the plane
It's kind of late to ask this, but how do folks secure their plane when they park it away from their home airport?
I built my 6A canopy latch exactly as shown in the plans - it's two flimsy 1/8" pieces of aluminum. I could have drilled a hole in the 2 pieces to accept a small padlock, but I never did. It seemed pointless. The lock could snipped and my radios swiped in a minute.
Does any one have any ideas/philosophy on this issue?
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Tom Sargent
RV-6A
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I have face mounted avionics, which make them relatively difficult to steal. Additionally, the MO of avionics thieves seems to be to steal radios from plane A and then install them in plane B, selling the radios from plane B. That way the serial numbers don't turn up as being stolen. The relative rarity of face mounted radios makes that process exponentially more difficult.
I do have a canopy lock, a desk drawer type that locks in the 0, 90, and 180 degree positions. The lock is in a beefed up and faired area of the aft canopy skirt and is oriented such that the canopy can open, lock closed, or stop the canopy about four inches open for secure ventilation on a hot, sunny stop on a ramp.
A locking canopy cover will round out the protection.
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I have a canopy cover but not a LOCKING canopy cover. I’ve never heard of such a thing. Tell me more.
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Subject: locking up the plane
I have face mounted avionics, which make them relatively difficult to steal. Additionally, the MO of avionics thieves seems to be to steal radios from plane A and then install them in plane B, selling the radios from plane B. That way the serial numbers don't turn up as being stolen. The relative rarity of face mounted radios makes that process exponentially more difficult.
I do have a canopy lock, a desk drawer type that locks in the 0, 90, and 180 degree positions. The lock is in a beefed up and faired area of the aft canopy skirt and is oriented such that the canopy can open, lock closed, or stop the canopy about four inches open for secure ventilation on a hot, sunny stop on a ramp.
A locking canopy cover will round out the protection.
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HI Bob-
All it takes is a couple of webbing straps at the leading and training edges of the cover, with brass grommets at the ends. Token brass padlocks to connect them under the fusselage, and the semi-honest can't get access to look without doing permanent damage.
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You guys have got it all wrong J
Borrow your kids pet Carpet Snake and leave it sitting on the seat while your away from the plane – Not many people will open your canopy then J
In Australia we are required to provide some form of locking since the 9/11 security stuff came in.
Cheers
John Morrissey
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All it takes is a couple of webbing straps at the leading and training edges of the cover, with brass grommets at the ends. Token brass padlocks to connect them under the fusselage, and the semi-honest can't get access to look without doing permanent damage.
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