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rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 780

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:02 am Post subject: Footwell got burned!

Hi Group



I accidentally burned my starboard foot-well!



I replaced my lanterns alkaline battery (EverReady) ~ Christmas 2010. It hasn't seen any use since then.



I sit down in front of my Europa XS Mono to study the undercarriage mounting frame, need some light. No problem, I grab my lantern that I always store with the lens up (in case it is left on), turn it on and use it for 5 or so minutes.



I turn it off and rest it on my starboard foot-well, again with the lens up.



After about 10 minutes I pick it up, turn it on to use it again and see what I think is water on my foot-well, it's turning the Phenolic resin black!



I'm not sure just what leaked out of the battery, but it was water clear and had the viscosity of 3 in 1 oil.



I was able to get off perhaps 1/2 of the damage, I tried water, alcohol and acetone with scotch-bright.



Anyway the resin sure did react quick to whatever it was that leaked out.:

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=550FC20DBDDB521D!1656&authkey=!AEWLOllC2BXrnI0



Ron Parigoris

Eric M. Jones

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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:53 am Post subject: Re: Footwell got burned!

I had an Eveready 12V alkaline lantern battery go into melt-down. I jerked it out of the airplane by the wires and it was so hot it melted the ramp asphalt. This was the second one that failed but I have no report on how the first one failed. I was using it to power an intercom. I surmise the internal cells got crushed from altitude changes, but I really have no clue. But there is some evil demon inside those things.

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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:26 am Post subject: Footwell got burned!

At 06:54 AM 7/11/2013, you wrote:

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I had an Eveready 12V alkaline lantern battery go into melt-down. I 

jerked it out of the airplane by the wires and it was so hot it 

melted the ramp asphalt. This was the second one that failed but I 

have no report on how the first one failed. I was using it to power 

an intercom. I surmise the internal cells got crushed from altitude 

changes, but I really have no clue. But there is some evil demon 

inside those things.


	


   Next time anyone encounters one of these events,

   I'd like to have the carcass. I'll do some research

   into alkaline meltdown too.



   Bob . . .

dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:27 am Post subject: Footwell got burned!

All you need is a 1/4" thick stainless steel housing with temp monitoring equipment and overboard venting.

  



Seriously, I'm glad you're OK.

Dave Saylor

831-750-0284 CL

 



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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:44 pm Post subject: Footwell got burned!

Ron, Take pictures and if the lantern battery is within its "good until" date (not sure Ever Ready has that like Durocell does) contact the company for A) clean up information, and B) forms for filing a claim for damages. 



Rick Girard

do not archive



On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:02 PM, rparigoris <rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us (rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us)> wrote:

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		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us (rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us)>

  

 Hi Group

 

 I accidentally burned my starboard foot-well!

 

 I replaced my lanterns alkaline battery (EverReady) ~ Christmas 2010. It hasn't seen any use since then.

 

 I sit down in front of my Europa XS Mono to study the undercarriage mounting frame, need some light. No problem, I grab my lantern that I always store with the lens up (in case it is left on), turn it on and use it for 5 or so minutes.

  

 I turn it off and rest it on my starboard foot-well, again with the lens up.

 

 After about 10 minutes I pick it up, turn it on to use it again and see what I think is water on my foot-well, it's turning the Phenolic resin black!

 

 I'm not sure just what leaked out of the battery, but it was water clear and had the viscosity of 3 in 1 oil.

 

 I was able to get off perhaps 1/2 of the damage, I tried water, alcohol and acetone with scotch-bright.

 

 Anyway the resin sure did react quick to whatever it was that leaked out.:

 [url=https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=550FC20DBDDB521D!1656&authkey=!AEWLOllC2BXrnI0]https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=550FC20DBDDB521D!1656&authkey=!AEWLOllC2BXrnI0[/url]

 

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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:08 pm Post subject: Footwell got burned!

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 On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:02 PM, rparigoris < rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us (rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us)> wrote:

   --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rparigoris" < rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us (rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us)>



  Hi Group



  I accidentally burned my starboard foot-well!



  I replaced my lanterns alkaline battery (EverReady) ~ Christmas 2010. It hasn't seen any use since then.



  I sit down in front of my Europa XS Mono to study the undercarriage mounting frame, need some light. No problem, I grab my lantern that I always store with the lens up (in case it is left on), turn it on and use it for 5 or so minutes.



  I turn it off and rest it on my starboard foot-well, again with the lens up.



  After about 10 minutes I pick it up, turn it on to use it again and see what I think is water on my foot-well, it's turning the Phenolic resin black!



  I'm not sure just what leaked out of the battery, but it was water clear and had the viscosity of 3 in 1 oil.



  I was able to get off perhaps 1/2 of the damage, I tried water, alcohol and acetone with scotch-bright.



  Anyway the resin sure did react quick to whatever it was that leaked out.:

   [url=https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=550FC20DBDDB521D!1656&authkey=!AEWLOllC2BXrnI0] https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=550FC20DBDDB521D!1656&authkey=!AEWLOllC2BXrnI0[/url] 



  Ron Parigoris



  	


  Ron, do you still have the carcass? I'll pay postage

  and send you a new lantern to boot if I can have

  the remains.



 

 

   Bob . . .    [quote][b]

rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 780

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Footwell got burned!

Hi Bob



I just got in from hangar.



I washed the foot-well with white vinegar tonight to neutralize any base, then washed with water. The vinegar did not discolor the high temperature Phenolic resin. The foot-well is kinda porous, even after washing with water, alcohol and acetone, can still smell a faint amount of vinegar



I picked up the carcass, it wasn't a EverReady battery like I thought, it's a 6 volt Rayovac with an expiration of December 2017.



Where would you like for me to send the carcass? You have sent me stuff in the past to try out, shipping is on me this time around.



Here's exactly what happened:

I installed this battery in the lantern in December 2010 and stored it with the lens facing up. The opposite side of lens of the lantern is water tight, so it leaked and caused no damage to the lantern at all but collected in this watertight side. 



While doing my inspection on the front of my Europa, I was picking up and putting down the lantern, lens down several times. During those cycles the clear liquid leaked past the threads of the lens and soaked my foot-well. Then I turned the lantern off and put it lens up on the foot-well and noticed the liquid.



Since the liquid was on components of the lantern for a very short time, and I washed it off, no damage occurred.



Ron Parigoris

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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:19 am Post subject: Footwell got burned!

I would try talking to Rayovac. I have had their D cells leak in a Maglite and had the flashlight replaced through Maglite, who said that they had agreements with Rayovac, Duracel, and Energizer. There may be some sort of guarantee from them. 



On Jul 12, 2013, at 0:15, "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Hi Bob

 

 I just got in from hangar.

 

 I washed the foot-well with white vinegar tonight to neutralize any base, then washed with water. The vinegar did not discolor the high temperature Phenolic resin. The foot-well is kinda porous, even after washing with water, alcohol and acetone, can still smell a faint amount of vinegar

 

 I picked up the carcass, it wasn't a EverReady battery like I thought, it's a 6 volt Rayovac with an expiration of December 2017.

 

 Where would you like for me to send the carcass? You have sent me stuff in the past to try out, shipping is on me this time around.

 

 Here's exactly what happened:

 I installed this battery in the lantern in December 2010 and stored it with the lens facing up. The opposite side of lens of the lantern is water tight, so it leaked and caused no damage to the lantern at all but collected in this watertight side. 

 

 While doing my inspection on the front of my Europa, I was picking up and putting down the lantern, lens down several times. During those cycles the clear liquid leaked past the threads of the lens and soaked my foot-well. Then I turned the lantern off and put it lens up on the foot-well and noticed the liquid.

 

 Since the liquid was on components of the lantern for a very short time, and I washed it off, no damage occurred.

 

 Ron Parigoris

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404523#404523

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:59 am Post subject: Footwell got burned!

At 11:15 PM 7/11/2013, you wrote:

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<rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>



Hi Bob



I just got in from hangar.



I washed the foot-well with white vinegar tonight to neutralize any 

base, then washed with water. The vinegar did not discolor the high 

temperature Phenolic resin. The foot-well is kinda porous, even 

after washing with water, alcohol and acetone, can still smell a 

faint amount of vinegar



I picked up the carcass, it wasn't a EverReady battery like I 

thought, it's a 6 volt Rayovac with an expiration of December 2017.



Where would you like for me to send the carcass? You have sent me 

stuff in the past to try out, shipping is on me this time around.


	




   Box 130, Medicine Lodge, KS  67104-0130



   Double bag it in a freezer zip-lock so you

   don't get the post office upset with us!

 	  Quote: 	
		  Here's exactly what happened:

I installed this battery in the lantern in December 2010 and stored 

it with the lens facing up. The opposite side of lens of the lantern 

is water tight, so it leaked and caused no damage to the lantern at 

all but collected in this watertight side.



While doing my inspection on the front of my Europa, I was picking 

up and putting down the lantern, lens down several times. During 

those cycles the clear liquid leaked past the threads of the lens 

and soaked my foot-well. Then I turned the lantern off and put it 

lens up on the foot-well and noticed the liquid.



Since the liquid was on components of the lantern for a very short 

time, and I washed it off, no damage occurred.



Ron Parigoris


	


   okay. so your event was pure leakage with

   no evidence of heating? I guess I got your

   posting merged with Eric's observation of

   a 'hot flashlihgt'.  Hmmmm . . . if no signs

   of electrical energy release it seems we're

   looking at a simple leakage event. I'm curious

   about the liquidity of the effluent. The few

   times I've had these cells open, the contents

   were the consistency of peanut butter . . .

   but that was a long time ago.



   Let's hold off on shipping. You could

   move forward with a claim against Ray-o-Vac.

   Was this a spring-post, 6v lantern battery

   or individual cells?



   The spring-post batteries use an array of

   "F" cells . . . same diameter as D but longer.

   Since they're not sold as individual cells

   they don't get the same kind of jacket around

   them. Was this an alkaline or carbon-zinc

   product?

   Bob . . .

bvc11

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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Footwell got burned!

sorry to hear that,but i should be careful the next time i deal with the battery,thanks,that really teach me a lesson.

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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Footwell got burned!

loll fucking ugly chink girl got burned in the face from her chink boyfriend.

loll japan sucks ass

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