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donjohnston

Joined: 13 Dec 2009
Posts: 231

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:44 am Post subject: Joining multiple wires

I'm certain that I've seen this covered, but after searching, I can't find it. 



What's the preferred method for taking a single supply to multiple destinations? Specifically, a fuse block with individual tabs for each fuse.



In my case, I've got four different lighting circuits (cabin, panel, annunicators and map light).  I'm not sure if the best practice is them to be individually fused, but if something goes awry with one lighting circuit, it would be nice not to lose all the lights, right?  



But even if it's okay to put all the lights on the same fuse, I've got a couple other situations where I need to distribute a wire to two or three destinations.



So what's the best approach for doing this?

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:24 am Post subject: Joining multiple wires

What's the preferred method for taking a single supply to multiple 

destinations? Specifically, a fuse block with individual tabs for each fuse.



   Here's a couple suggestions on the mechanics of the task . . .



   http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8h

In my case, I've got four different lighting circuits (cabin, panel, 

annunicators and map light).  I'm not sure if the best practice is 

them to be individually fused, but if something goes awry with one 

lighting circuit, it would be nice not to lose all the lights, right? [Wink]



   Yes, you've articulated the fundamental purpose

   for a 'bus' and multiple feeders each enjoying

   its own protection. The simple-idea is that such

   bus/protection structures prevent catastrophic

   damage to wires while keeping faults isolated

   to one system. I.e. no single fault propagates across

   to other systems.

But even if it's okay to put all the lights on the same fuse, I've 

got a couple other situations where I need to distribute a wire to 

two or three destinations.



So what's the best approach for doing this?



   The mechanics are easy. The value of doing such

   a thing is part of your failure mode effects

   analysis (FMEA) for YOUR project and how you plan

   to use it. If you carry a flashlight in the flight

   bag along with your hand-held COMM and GPS radios,

   then your FMEA says "Plan C is a considered path

   to comfortable termination of flight . . . and ALL

   your lighting can be on one fuse.



   If the products of your deliberation are not quite

   so relaxed, how about half your 'minimal lighting'

   on one fuse, other half on second fuse?  Maybe you

   would find it useful to mount a couple of these guys



http://tinyurl.com/lyeaonf



   in brackets on each side of panel as minimalist

   flood lighting. Hooked in series and controlled with

   a simple dimmer, you could power them from the

   bus through a resistor that offers inherent protection

   for wiring . . . i.e. no fuse needed. This unique set

   of lights would be available if every fuse was popped!



   The short answer to your question is: Joining multiple

   feeders is easy. Deciding WHICH ones to join and evaluating

   the risks during an FMEA takes a bit more thought . . .

   something we can assist with but ultimately your

   task alone . . .

   Bob . . .

donjohnston

Joined: 13 Dec 2009
Posts: 231

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Joining multiple wires

 	  nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote: 	
		  What's the preferred method for taking a single supply to multiple 

destinations? Specifically, a fuse block with individual tabs for each fuse.



   Here's a couple suggestions on the mechanics of the task . . .



   http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8h 	




As I read this, my interpretation is that the answer is to join the multiple wires at the supply.  If that's correct, that could be a problem since the supply is a pin on a VPX and there may not be space in the connector housing.  I'm not certain because I haven't thought about doing it like this. 



If this solution won't work, are there any other methods for distributing a single wire to multiple destinations?



-Don

Bob McC

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 258
Location: Toronto, ON

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:17 am Post subject: Joining multiple wires

Don;



Did you read to the very bottom of the page in the link??

The section called "practical example"??

It shows multiple wires originating from a single wire attached to a single

terminal which is, I think, what you're asking to do. (the single wire would

go to your single pin on VPX, the multiple wires to your multiple lights.)



Bob McC



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donjohnston

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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Joining multiple wires

[quote="Bob McC"]Don;



Did you read to the very bottom of the page in the link??

The section called "practical example"??

It shows multiple wires originating from a single wire attached to a single

terminal which is, I think, what you're asking to do. (the single wire would

go to your single pin on VPX, the multiple wires to your multiple lights.)



Bob McC



 	  Quote: 	
		   -- 	




Yes, I did.



And I wrote:



"that could be a problem since the supply is a pin on a VPX and there may not be space in the connector housing (for 4 wires).

ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:39 am Post subject: Joining multiple wires

On 2/17/2014 10:21 AM, donjohnston wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:

> What's the preferred method for taking a single supply to multiple

> destinations? Specifically, a fuse block with individual tabs for each fuse.

>

>     Here's a couple suggestions on the mechanics of the task . . .

>

>     http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8h

 As I read this, my interpretation is that the answer is to join the multiple wires at the supply.  If that's correct, that could be a problem since the supply is a pin on a VPX and there may not be space in the connector housing.  I'm not certain because I haven't thought about doing it like this.

 If this solution won't work, are there any other methods for distributing a single wire to multiple destinations?

 -Don

For multiple non-critical low power items that you're going to power 

from a single fuse, you can always just 'daisy chain' the supply wire. 

One wire in the terminal at the VPX, then at the 1st load, insert the 

power source wire and a 2nd wire in the terminal. Run that wire to the 

2nd load, repeat. This assumes that the total of all loads is lower than 

the capacity of the wire, which should be the case anyway if you're 

putting them all on the same fuse.  (Fuse should always be sized to 

protect the smallest wire connected to it.)

Depending on the location of the loads, this can save a bit of wire (and 

weight, if you obsess over weight).

Charlie

handainc(at)madisoncounty
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:07 am Post subject: Joining multiple wires

I guess I am a dumb cluck, but following this thread, I do NOT understand the problem, and I am a lurker trying to learn before I tackle my panel.  From Bob's posting the very last display on his  http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8hre reference shows a very elegant way to connect, by my count (8 wires) to a single one wire connector on a permanent basis.  But this post from Don seems to take us back to the initial problem - not enough space in the original connector to the device for 7 or 8 wires?  Am I correct?  Why is that last display not a very elegant solution to that problem....what am I missing here?  Or am I just stupid? One wire goes into the connector, just like it was designed.  At some point in the run of that wire, where ever it is appropriate, then you execute the connection as Bob displayed, and the problem is solved.  If not, what am I missing?  I keep trying to follow along with these wiring discussions about the proper ways to make connections and route wiring, and I just get lost with the on and on discussion, because  I MUST NOT understand the problem since I believe I saw a very elegant answer several posts before either by Bob or others on the group.  I have just let it go as a fact that I am just stupid, but this discussion is a good example, and I would appreciate someone explaining to me what I am missing so I can finally alleviate my perpetual "stupidity" condition!  

M. Haught 

 	  Quote: 	

 On 2/17/2014 10:21 AM, donjohnston wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:

>> What's the preferred method for taking a single supply to multiple

>> destinations? Specifically, a fuse block with individual tabs for each fuse.

>> 

>>    Here's a couple suggestions on the mechanics of the task . . .

>> 

>>    http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8h

> 

> As I read this, my interpretation is that the answer is to join the multiple wires at the supply.  If that's correct, that could be a problem since the supply is a pin on a VPX and there may not be space in the connector housing.  I'm not certain because I haven't thought about doing it like this.

> 

> If this solution won't work, are there any other methods for distributing a single wire to multiple destinations?

> 

> -Don

 For multiple non-critical low power items that you're going to power from a single fuse, you can always just 'daisy chain' the supply wire. One wire in the terminal at the VPX, then at the 1st load, insert the power source wire and a 2nd wire in the terminal. Run that wire to the 2nd load, repeat. This assumes that the total of all loads is lower than the capacity of the wire, which should be the case anyway if you're putting them all on the same fuse.  (Fuse should always be sized to protect the smallest wire connected to it.)

 Depending on the location of the loads, this can save a bit of wire (and weight, if you obsess over weight).

 Charlie

livingjw(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:48 am Post subject: Joining multiple wires

I saw what you saw. The last picture of Bob's post would solve the 

problem. I suspect someone missed the last picture.

John

On 2/17/2014 2:05 PM, H. Marvin Haught wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I guess I am a dumb cluck, but following this thread, I do NOT understand the problem, and I am a lurker trying to learn before I tackle my panel.  From Bob's posting the very last display on his  http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8hre reference shows a very elegant way to connect, by my count (8 wires) to a single one wire connector on a permanent basis.  But this post from Don seems to take us back to the initial problem - not enough space in the original connector to the device for 7 or 8 wires?  Am I correct?  Why is that last display not a very elegant solution to that problem....what am I missing here?  Or am I just stupid? One wire goes into the connector, just like it was designed.  At some point in the run of that wire, where ever it is appropriate, then you execute the connection as Bob displayed, and the problem is solved.  If not, what am I missing?  I keep trying to follow along with these wiring discussions about the proper ways to make connections and route wiring, and !

   I just get lost with the on and on discussion, because  I MUST NOT understand the problem since I believe I saw a very elegant answer several posts before either by Bob or others on the group.  I have just let it go as a fact that I am just stupid, but this discussion is a good example, and I would appreciate someone explaining to me what I am missing so I can finally alleviate my perpetual "stupidity" condition!

 M. Haught

> 

>

> On 2/17/2014 10:21 AM, donjohnston wrote:

>> 

>>

>>

>> nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:

>>> What's the preferred method for taking a single supply to multiple

>>> destinations? Specifically, a fuse block with individual tabs for each fuse.

>>>

>>>     Here's a couple suggestions on the mechanics of the task . . .

>>>

>>>     http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8h

>> As I read this, my interpretation is that the answer is to join the multiple wires at the supply.  If that's correct, that could be a problem since the supply is a pin on a VPX and there may not be space in the connector housing.  I'm not certain because I haven't thought about doing it like this.

>>

>> If this solution won't work, are there any other methods for distributing a single wire to multiple destinations?

>>

>> -Don

> For multiple non-critical low power items that you're going to power from a single fuse, you can always just 'daisy chain' the supply wire. One wire in the terminal at the VPX, then at the 1st load, insert the power source wire and a 2nd wire in the terminal. Run that wire to the 2nd load, repeat. This assumes that the total of all loads is lower than the capacity of the wire, which should be the case anyway if you're putting them all on the same fuse.  (Fuse should always be sized to protect the smallest wire connected to it.)

>

> Depending on the location of the loads, this can save a bit of wire (and weight, if you obsess over weight).

>

> Charlie

>

handainc(at)madisoncounty
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:20 pm Post subject: Joining multiple wires

Okay, that isn't fair!  You just made a basic reply but didn't help alleviate the "stupidity factor"!!!   - Best practice is that last display for connection to a single wire connector?  Multiple components driven by that wire makes that specific type of connection appropriate?  Sorry, but I am trying to eliminate some confusion on my part! 



M. Haught 

On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:47 PM, John W Livingston wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I saw what you saw. The last picture of Bob's post would solve the problem. I suspect someone missed the last picture.

 

 John

 

 On 2/17/2014 2:05 PM, H. Marvin Haught wrote:

> 

> 

> I guess I am a dumb cluck, but following this thread, I do NOT understand the problem, and I am a lurker trying to learn before I tackle my panel.  From Bob's posting the very last display on his  http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8hre reference shows a very elegant way to connect, by my count (8 wires) to a single one wire connector on a permanent basis.  But this post from Don seems to take us back to the initial problem - not enough space in the original connector to the device for 7 or 8 wires?  Am I correct?  Why is that last display not a very elegant solution to that problem....what am I missing here?  Or am I just stupid? One wire goes into the connector, just like it was designed.  At some point in the run of that wire, where ever it is appropriate, then you execute the connection as Bob displayed, and the problem is solved.  If not, what am I missing?  I keep trying to follow along with these wiring discussions about the proper ways to make connections and route wiring, an!

 d !

>  I just get lost with the on and on discussion, because  I MUST NOT understand the problem since I believe I saw a very elegant answer several posts before either by Bob or others on the group.  I have just let it go as a fact that I am just stupid, but this discussion is a good example, and I would appreciate someone explaining to me what I am missing so I can finally alleviate my perpetual "stupidity" condition!

> 

> M. Haught

>> 

>> 

>> On 2/17/2014 10:21 AM, donjohnston wrote:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:

>>>> What's the preferred method for taking a single supply to multiple

>>>> destinations? Specifically, a fuse block with individual tabs for each fuse.

>>>> 

>>>>    Here's a couple suggestions on the mechanics of the task . . .

>>>> 

>>>>    http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8h

>>> As I read this, my interpretation is that the answer is to join the multiple wires at the supply.  If that's correct, that could be a problem since the supply is a pin on a VPX and there may not be space in the connector housing.  I'm not certain because I haven't thought about doing it like this.

>>> 

>>> If this solution won't work, are there any other methods for distributing a single wire to multiple destinations?

>>> 

>>> -Don

>> For multiple non-critical low power items that you're going to power from a single fuse, you can always just 'daisy chain' the supply wire. One wire in the terminal at the VPX, then at the 1st load, insert the power source wire and a 2nd wire in the terminal. Run that wire to the 2nd load, repeat. This assumes that the total of all loads is lower than the capacity of the wire, which should be the case anyway if you're putting them all on the same fuse.  (Fuse should always be sized to protect the smallest wire connected to it.)

>> 

>> Depending on the location of the loads, this can save a bit of wire (and weight, if you obsess over weight).

>> 

>> Charlie

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

Bob McC

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 258
Location: Toronto, ON

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:23 pm Post subject: Joining multiple wires

Don;



The last picture in the post (the "practical example")has ONE wire going to

ONE pin, just as designed. How do you feel the need to get 4 wires into the

housing??? I must be missing something in your question.



Bob McC



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Bob McC

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Toronto, ON

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:42 pm Post subject: Joining multiple wires

Marvin;



Yes. The last picture under "practical example" is one way to connect

multiple wires to a single source when space within the connector may be an

issue. It allows for a single wire into the connector, just as it was

designed for and is an acceptable way to take that single wire to multiple

devices. (assuming the fusing of that single source is properly protecting

the SMALLEST wire attached downstream of it)



Bob McC



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rickofudall

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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:04 pm Post subject: Joining multiple wires

Marvin, There seems to be a lot of hand wringing and trying to wrest defeat from the jaws of victory on this list lately. You believe you have been pointed to an elegant solution to an aspect of the architecture you are crafting. If you cannot find an adequate reason to abandon that solution, don't. As my dear departed Grandmother would have said, "Don't throw out the baby with the bath water". 



Rick Girard

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On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:19 PM, H. Marvin Haught <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net (handainc(at)madisoncounty.net)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "H. Marvin Haught" <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net (handainc(at)madisoncounty.net)>

  

 

Okay, that isn't fair!  You just made a basic reply but didn't help alleviate the "stupidity factor"!!!   - Best practice is that last display for connection to a single wire connector?  Multiple components driven by that wire makes that specific type of connection appropriate?  Sorry, but I am trying to eliminate some confusion on my part!

  

 M. Haught

 On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:47 PM, John W Livingston wrote:

 

 > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John W Livingston <livingjw(at)earthlink.net (livingjw(at)earthlink.net)>

 >

 > I saw what you saw. The last picture of Bob's post would solve the problem. I suspect someone missed the last picture.

 >

 > John

 >

 > On 2/17/2014 2:05 PM, H. Marvin Haught wrote:

 >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "H. Marvin Haught" <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net (handainc(at)madisoncounty.net)>

 >>

 

 	  Quote: 	
		  > I guess I am a dumb cluck, but following this thread, I do NOT understand the problem, and I am a lurker trying to learn before I tackle my panel.  From Bob's posting the very last display on his  http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8hre reference shows a very elegant way to connect, by my count (8 wires) to a single one wire connector on a permanent basis.  But this post from Don seems to take us back to the initial problem - not enough space in the original connector to the device for 7 or 8 wires?  Am I correct?  Why is that last display not a very elegant solution to that problem....what am I missing here?  Or am I just stupid? One wire goes into the connector, just like it was designed.  At some point in the run of that wire, where ever it is appropriate, then you execute the connection as Bob displayed, and the problem is solved.  If not, what am I missing?  I keep trying to follow along with these wiring discussions about the proper ways to make connections and route wiring, a!

   n!
	


 > d !

 >>  I just get lost with the on and on discussion, because  I MUST NOT understand the problem since I believe I saw a very elegant answer several posts before either by Bob or others on the group.  I have just let it go as a fact that I am just stupid, but this discussion is a good example, and I would appreciate someone explaining to me what I am missing so I can finally alleviate my perpetual "stupidity" condition!

  >>

 >> M. Haught

 >>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)>

 >>>

 >>> On 2/17/2014 10:21 AM, donjohnston wrote:

 >>>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "donjohnston" <don(at)velocity-xl.com (don(at)velocity-xl.com)>

 >>>>

 >>>>

 >>>> nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:

 >>>>> What's the preferred method for taking a single supply to multiple

 >>>>> destinations? Specifically, a fuse block with individual tabs for each fuse.

 >>>>>

 >>>>>    Here's a couple suggestions on the mechanics of the task . . .

 >>>>>

 >>>>>    http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8h

 >>>> As I read this, my interpretation is that the answer is to join the multiple wires at the supply.  If that's correct, that could be a problem since the supply is a pin on a VPX and there may not be space in the connector housing.  I'm not certain because I haven't thought about doing it like this.

  >>>>

 >>>> If this solution won't work, are there any other methods for distributing a single wire to multiple destinations?

 >>>>

 >>>> -Don

 >>> For multiple non-critical low power items that you're going to power from a single fuse, you can always just 'daisy chain' the supply wire. One wire in the terminal at the VPX, then at the 1st load, insert the power source wire and a 2nd wire in the terminal. Run that wire to the 2nd load, repeat. This assumes that the total of all loads is lower than the capacity of the wire, which should be the case anyway if you're putting them all on the same fuse.  (Fuse should always be sized to protect the smallest wire connected to it.)

  >>>

 >>> Depending on the location of the loads, this can save a bit of wire (and weight, if you obsess over weight).

 >>>

 >>> Charlie

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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:00 pm Post subject: Joining multiple wires

LOL!  Okay, so if it looks like a baby, it likely IS a baby?!!!  Good!  Maybe I will survive this wiring project!  I can do about anything with my hands, and have learned a lot of stuff over the years.  Plumbing, I cannot do....I can mess up more in 30 minutes that a good plumber can fix in a hard day!  I can do intricate machine work, compound metal work, carpentry, cabinetry, welding, electrical, etc.  But plumbing is my waterloo....was about to decide that I could add aviation electrical to that "can't do" list!  

Thanks

M. Haught 

On Feb 17, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Richard Girard wrote:

[quote] Marvin, There seems to be a lot of hand wringing and trying to wrest defeat from the jaws of victory on this list lately. You believe you have been pointed to an elegant solution to an aspect of the architecture you are crafting. If you cannot find an adequate reason to abandon that solution, don't. As my dear departed Grandmother would have said, "Don't throw out the baby with the bath water".

 Rick Girard

 do not archive

 On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 2:19 PM, H. Marvin Haught <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> wrote:

 Okay, that isn't fair!  You just made a basic reply but didn't help alleviate the "stupidity factor"!!!   - Best practice is that last display for connection to a single wire connector?  Multiple components driven by that wire makes that specific type of connection appropriate?  Sorry, but I am trying to eliminate some confusion on my part!

 M. Haught

 On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:47 PM, John W Livingston wrote:

 > 

 >

 > I saw what you saw. The last picture of Bob's post would solve the problem. I suspect someone missed the last picture.

 >

 > John

 >

 > On 2/17/2014 2:05 PM, H. Marvin Haught wrote:

 >> 

 >>

 >> I guess I am a dumb cluck, but following this thread, I do NOT understand the problem, and I am a lurker trying to learn before I tackle my panel.  From Bob's posting the very last display on his  http://tinyurl.com/l67uj8hre reference shows a very elegant way to connect, by my count (8 wires) to a single one wire connector on a permanent basis.  But this post from Don seems to take us back to the initial problem - not enough space in the original connector to the device for 7 or 8 wires?  Am I correct?  Why is that last display not a very elegant solution to that problem....what am I missing here?  Or am I just stupid? One wire goes into the connector, just like it was designed.  At some point in the run of that wire, where ever it is appropriate, then you execute the connection as Bob displayed, and the problem is solved.  If not, what am I missing?  I keep trying to follow along with these wiring discussions about the proper ways to make connections and route wiring, a!

  n!

 > d !

 >>  I just get lost with the on and on discussion, because  I MUST NOT understand the problem since I believe I saw a very elegant answer several posts before either by Bob or others on the group.  I have just let it go as a fact that I am just stupid, but this discussion is a good example, and I would appreciate someone explaining to me what I am missing so I can finally alleviate my perpetual "stupidity" condition!

 >>

 >> M. Haught

 >>> 

 >>>

 >>> On 2/17/2014 10:21 AM, donjohnston wrote:

 >>>> 

 >>>>

 >>>>

 >>>> nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:

 >>>>> What's the preferred method for taking a single supply to multiple

 >>>>> destinations? Specifically, a fuse block with individual tabs for each fuse.

 >>>>>

 >>>>>    Here's a couple suggestions on the mechanics of the task . .

donjohnston

Joined: 13 Dec 2009
Posts: 231

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Joining multiple wires

[quote="Bob McC"]Don;



The last picture in the post (the "practical example")has ONE wire going to

ONE pin, just as designed. How do you feel the need to get 4 wires into the

housing??? I must be missing something in your question.



Bob McC



 	  Quote: 	
		   -- 	




Bob,



My apologies.  I didn't see the very bottom image.  I followed the sequence and saw the multiple wires to a single ring terminal and figured that was the end of the post. 



-Don

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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:51 am Post subject: Joining multiple wires

Bob McC - For some reason, your last post did not come through on my email, and I found it on the aeroelectric site.  Thank you for the affirmation - and you brought out a point that I have been missing....fusing is to protect the SMALLEST wire in the downstream.  Could you provide a practical example?  





Also, Bob, did you ever get the new edition of the manual completed?  Is it available?  If so, I would like to make an order.  





M. Haught 





Marvin; 

 

Yes. The last picture under "practical example" is one way to connect 

multiple wires to a single source when space within the connector may be an 

issue. It allows for a single wire into the connector, just as it was 

designed for and is an acceptable way to take that single wire to multiple 

devices. (assuming the fusing of that single source is properly protecting 

the SMALLEST wire attached downstream of it) 

 

Bob McC 

 

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On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Bob McCallum wrote:

[quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bob McCallum <robert.mccallum2(at)sympatico.ca (robert.mccallum2(at)sympatico.ca)>



Don;



The last picture in the post (the "practical example")has ONE wire going to

ONE pin, just as designed. How do you feel the need to get 4 wires into the

housing??? I must be missing something in your question.



Bob McC



[quote]--

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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:16 am Post subject: Joining multiple wires

At 08:51 AM 2/18/2014, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Bob McC - For some reason, your last post did not come through on my email, and I found it on the aeroelectric site.  Thank you for the affirmation - and you brought out a point that I have been missing....fusing is to protect the SMALLEST wire in the downstream.  Could you provide a practical example?  



 Also, Bob, did you ever get the new edition of the manual completed?  Is it available?  If so, I would like to make an order.  	


   No, that's some time off yet. I'm having to shoe-horn

   it into a single word processing application and

   completely review all past words and illustrations.



   Rev 12 will be with us for a bit yet . . .



 

 

   Bob . . .    [quote][b]

handainc(at)madisoncounty
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:30 am Post subject: Joining multiple wires

Okay, where do I order Rev 12?



M. Haught 

On Feb 18, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:

[quote]  At 08:51 AM 2/18/2014, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Bob McC - For some reason, your last post did not come through on my email, and I found it on the aeroelectric site.  Thank you for the affirmation - and you brought out a point that I have been missing....fusing is to protect the SMALLEST wire in the downstream.  Could you provide a practical example?  



 Also, Bob, did you ever get the new edition of the manual completed?  Is it available?  If so, I would like to make an order.  	


   No, that's some time off yet. I'm having to shoe-horn

   it into a single word processing application and

   completely review all past words and illustrations.



   Rev 12 will be with us for a bit yet . . .



 

 

   Bob . . .     	  Quote: 	
		  

	


[b]

Bob McC

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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:28 am Post subject: Joining multiple wires

Marvin;



Lets use Ron's example of several lighting circuits off of one fuse. Pretend he chooses to use 18 gauge wire to run out to some "ice" lights at the ends of the wings and from the same fuse uses 22gauge wires to bring power to some overhead panel flood lights and some 20 gauge wire leading to a map light. The fuse installed would have to be sized to protect the 22gauge wire. The SMALLEST wire downstream of the fuse. You wouldn't want to size the fuse for the 18 gauge wire because a short on the 22 gauge might melt the wire before the fuse blew. A very bad idea. Also keep in mind that the fuse and thus SMALLEST wire must be capable of carrying the TOTAL load of ALL items attached to that one fuse. (Even though the loads have their own individual wires and all the load isn't actually carried on the smallest wire. Remember the fuse protects the wire, nothing else.)



Bob McC



From: handainc(at)madisoncounty.net

Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Joining multiple wires

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:51:10 -0600

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com



Bob McC - For some reason, your last post did not come through on my email, and I found it on the aeroelectric site.  Thank you for the affirmation - and you brought out a point that I have been missing....fusing is to protect the SMALLEST wire in the downstream.  Could you provide a practical example?  





Also, Bob, did you ever get the new edition of the manual completed?  Is it available?  If so, I would like to make an order.  





M. Haught 





Marvin; 

 

Yes. The last picture under "practical example" is one way to connect 

multiple wires to a single source when space within the connector may be an 

issue. It allows for a single wire into the connector, just as it was 

designed for and is an acceptable way to take that single wire to multiple 

devices. (assuming the fusing of that single source is properly protecting 

the SMALLEST wire attached downstream of it) 

 

Bob McC 

 

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On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Bob McCallum wrote:

[quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bob McCallum <robert.mccallum2(at)sympatico.ca (robert.mccallum2(at)sympatico.ca)>



Don;



The last picture in the post (the "practical example")has ONE wire going to

ONE pin, just as designed. How do you feel the need to get 4 wires into the

housing??? I must be missing something in your question.



Bob McC



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