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Roland
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 Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:46 am Post subject: Re: Whats new? |
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David, that would be great, since I'm planning to acquire the EIR soon.
What EASA has told me is, that you can use the EIR in a Permit aircraft, if the appropriate national authority allows it.
If my memory serves e. g. Sweden allows Experimental aircraft already to be operated under IFR. Those aircraft are cleared for entrance into german airspace but with the limitation "VFR/day only".
On the other hand, at least the national authority has to clear the Permit aircraft for IFR, because the EASA is - at least currently - not in charge of that (like this is - lucky us - not the case with all maintenance issues concerning Permit aircraft).
Let's see (and cross our fingers) how far European harmonization goes, maybe we don't even need a special approval to cross Belgium airspace in the future...
Regards
Roland
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brian.davies(at)clara.co.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:58 am Post subject: Whats new? |
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I am afraid that Roland is closer to the mark David. The UK CAA is slowly moving towards granting an exemption for certain aircraft (on an individual basis) to be permitted to operate in night or IFR on a UK Permit to Fly. Note this is an exemption, not a blanket change of regulation. This makes use of that exemption outside the UK problematical. (not impossible, just difficult!)
The EU is focussed on harmonising the Rules of the Air (SERA).
Don't hold your breath!
Regards
Brian
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tennant
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Whats new? |
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Oh, Oh!!
For goodness sake, lets not let the Eurocrats loose on harmonization of the regulations for experimental aircraft. All of our freedom will be lost and we will all be back in the workshop building bookshelves to keep the bureaucratic B-S in a safe place.
Just look what they have done to licensing and maintenance of certified light aircraft.
Barry
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ploucandco
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Whats new? |
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I operate an N registered Europa XS in Europe and already have received overfly permissions for many European countries over the years: GE, BE, DK, SE, PL, BG, RO, UA... and never ever got a restriction on VFR day.
To be sure, I just reread my current (for 2014) German permission and it even states:
7. The aircraft must be equiped with a VHF receiver / transmitter (two VHF receivers / transmitters in case of IFR operations) covering at least the required frequency range of 118.000 to 136.975Mhz, with a frequency separation of 25 Khz (8.33 Khz if aircraft operated above FL245).
I intend to fly IFR in Europe (got my IR ticket last year) with my Europa after installing an additional 8.33Khz radio, a DME and a heater!
Jacques
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ploucandco
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Whats new? |
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At the same time, I just found this document:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1407/20120427GenericConcession1No6.pdf
So the UK is limiting to VFR/day non certified planes registered abroad. A bit strange for a country that promotes the IMC rating and where you can even train for this rating in your own G registered Europa.
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pete(at)lawless.info
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:47 pm Post subject: Whats new? |
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You may be able to 'train' for the IMC in your Europa in the UK but your
are never allowed to fly the aeroplane in cloud. It's all pretend IMC
with the glasses on.
Pete
On 30/04/14 22:48, ploucandco wrote:
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cakeykev(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 1:04 am Post subject: Whats new? |
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Yes that's correct
Kev
| Quote: | On 1 May 2014, at 08:41, Pete Lawless <pete(at)lawless.info> wrote:
You may be able to 'train' for the IMC in your Europa in the UK but your are never allowed to fly the aeroplane in cloud. It's all pretend IMC with the glasses on.
Pete
> On 30/04/14 22:48, ploucandco wrote:
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> At the same time, I just found this document:
> http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1407/20120427GenericConcession1No6.pdf
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> So the UK is limiting to VFR/day non certified planes registered abroad. A bit strange for a country that promotes the IMC rating and where you can even train for this rating in your own G registered Europa.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422621#422621
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Roland
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: Whats new? |
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Hi Jaques,
that confirms, what I've heard about entrance permission for Permit aircraft in Germany. When you need a special permission with a non ECAC-member state Permit aircraft you get the limitation 180 days/year but no limitation for flight rules and when you want to enter with a ECAC-member state Permit aircraft, general permission is granted in the AIP GEN 1-17 (see attaches document) but limited to day/VFR only. BTW it's as logical to allow all member state Permit aircraft generally to enter the airspace but not allowing their operators to register those aircraft here in Germany.
There is a guy from Switzerland who explores whole Europe IFR with his N-reg. Lanceair IV P and blogs it in the www http://www.mcr01.ch/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=129&Itemid=40
I suspect you can file and fly IFR also in an ECAC-reg. Permit aircraft and no one will care about that as long as everything works according to the plan (like overflying Belgium without the approval).
Let sleeping dogs lie.
Regards
Roland
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