Matronics Email Lists :: View topic

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

ELSA...?

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Kolb-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

nickc(at)mtaonline.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:38 am Post subject: ELSA...?

Hello All,

 

In my case I bought a kit to recreate a prototype aircraft that no longer exists. It will not be an exact copy of the prototype plane that no longer exists, and the design was and will remain significantly deferent from the production model. Do you think I will be able to get an ELSA?

 

Thanks,

 

Nick Cassara

Palmer,  Alaska

 

 

  [quote][b]

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

byoungplumbing(at)gmail.c
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:29 am Post subject: ELSA...?

If the kit was an approved as an esla kit you should be ok.   Even if the prototype no longer exist.  The inspector will only be able to compare your finished project to the esla approved plans.   If you don't have esla plans.  Imho in my humble opinion,,   your only option is eab.    And if you have esla plans and have made any modifications while building your plane does not fit esla rules.   You would be left with eab  

Boyd young On Aug 16, 2014 9:40 AM, "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net (nickc(at)mtaonline.net)> wrote:[quote] 

Hello All,

 

In my case I bought a kit to recreate a prototype aircraft that no longer exists. It will not be an exact copy of the prototype plane that no longer exists, and the design was and will remain significantly deferent from the production model. Do you think I will be able to get an ELSA? 

 

Thanks,

 

Nick Cassara

Palmer,  Alaska 

 

 

   	  Quote: 	
		  



get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

tp://forums.matronics.com

_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution



	


[b]

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:43 pm Post subject: ELSA...?

Nick, Here are the applicable FAR's on Light Sport Aircraft. For your

Kolbra, Kolb would have to build a qualifying aircraft per the ASTM

standard, document that it meets the standard, and get the FAA to certify

their production and supply system. The manufacturer would then sell you a

kit EXACTLY like their prototype.  If you were to make ANY changes to the

kit, the manufacturer would have to issue a letter of authorization (LOA)

for EACH change. Part of the kit package would be a certificate of

conformity that would be presented to the FAA or the DAR, along with any

LOA's at the time your aircraft is presented for inspection for the

experimental certificate, mistakenly called the airworthiness certificate

by most people.

So, the simple answer is that for you to get an ELSA designation, Kolb

would have to have built an SLSA prototype of the Kolbra.



Rick Girard

21.190   Issue of a special airworthiness certificate for a light-sport

category aircraft.



(a) Purpose. The FAA issues a special airworthiness certificate in the

light-sport category to operate a light-sport aircraft, other than a

gyroplane.



(b) Eligibility. To be eligible for a special airworthiness certificate in

the light-sport category:



(1) An applicant must provide the FAA with—



(i) The aircraft's operating instructions;



(ii) The aircraft's maintenance and inspection procedures;



(iii) The manufacturer's statement of compliance as described in paragraph

(c) of this section; and



(iv) The aircraft's flight training supplement.



(2) The aircraft must not have been previously issued a standard, primary,

restricted, limited, or provisional airworthiness certificate, or an

equivalent airworthiness certificate issued by a foreign civil aviation

authority.



(3) The aircraft must be inspected by the FAA and found to be in a

condition for safe operation.



(c) Manufacturer's statement of compliance for light-sport category

aircraft. The manufacturer's statement of compliance required in paragraph

(b)(1)(iii) of this section must—



(1) Identify the aircraft by make and model, serial number, class, date of

manufacture, and consensus standard used;



(2) State that the aircraft meets the provisions of the identified

consensus standard;



(3) State that the aircraft conforms to the manufacturer's design data,

using the manufacturer's quality assurance system that meets the identified

consensus standard;



(4) State that the manufacturer will make available to any interested

person the following documents that meet the identified consensus standard:



(i) The aircraft's operating instructions.



(ii) The aircraft's maintenance and inspection procedures.



(iii) The aircraft's flight training supplement.



(5) State that the manufacturer will monitor and correct safety-of-flight

issues through the issuance of safety directives and a continued

airworthiness system that meets the identified consensus standard;



(6) State that at the request of the FAA, the manufacturer will provide

unrestricted access to its facilities; and



(7) State that the manufacturer, in accordance with a production acceptance

test procedure that meets an applicable consensus standard has—



(i) Ground and flight tested the aircraft;



(ii) Found the aircraft performance acceptable; and



(iii) Determined that the aircraft is in a condition for safe operation.



(d) Light-sport aircraft manufactured outside the United States. For

aircraft manufactured outside of the United States to be eligible for a

special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category, an applicant

must meet the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section and provide to

the FAA evidence that—



(1) The aircraft was manufactured in a country with which the United States

has a Bilateral Airworthiness Agreement concerning airplanes or Bilateral

Aviation Safety Agreement with associated Implementation Procedures for

Airworthiness concerning airplanes, or an equivalent airworthiness

agreement; and



(2) The aircraft is eligible for an airworthiness certificate, flight

authorization, or other similar certification in its country of manufacture

- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

_________________
The smallest miracle right in front of you is enough to make you happy....

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Kolb-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum