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BKENNAMORE(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:56 pm Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 09/06/14

In a message dated 9/7/2014 2:09:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  yak-list(at)matronics.com writes:

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     1. 10:51    AM - Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic  (Bill    Yakrobatics)

     2. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA)    Formation Clinic  (Ernest Martinez)

     3. 02:26 PM -    Program Letter  (Ernest Martinez)

     4. 02:49 PM -    Re: Program Letter  (Richard Hess)

     5. 03:35 PM -    Re: Program Letter  (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)

        6. 03:53 PM - Re: Program Letter  (billygeipel)

        7. 05:58 PM - Re: Program Letter  (Mike Holoman)

        8. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic     (migfighter42)

     9. 06:42 PM - Re: Program Letter     (Ernest Martinez)

    10. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA)    Formation Clinic  (j blake)

    11. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: KAYS    (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic  (Roger    Kemp)



________________________________  Message 1     _____________________________________

Time: 10:51:03 AM PST    US

From: Bill Yakrobatics <bill(at)yakrobatics.com>

Subject:    Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic



Yo Ho and a bottle    of Rum!



Sent from Bill's iPhone

 	  Quote: 	
		   On Sep 5, 2014, at    11:05 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote:

 

 Troops,  RPA &    T-34

  

  

 Pass the word.

     

 We're planning on having a formation clinic at KAYS (Waycross, Ga.)    on Oct

. 9 - 12.  I hope to do the ground school the afternoon of the    9th.  FNGs sh
	


ould come having read ALL the material.  We try to    get as many of the FPRs o

ut of the way as possible.  I expect a    number of FNGs from the T-34 group so

there will be mixed formations which    is good training.  We'll try to get so

me Mass Formation practice in    also.  The AYS FBO is ready for us.  The plan i

s to keep it    simple and fly as much as possible.  I have not set up the hote

l yet    (mostly likely will be the Holiday Inn) but reservation will be up to    y

ou.  I'm planning on having sandwiches and drinks on hand for    lunches.  Righ

t now the fee will be $50.00/person.  There will    be one banquet night, (righ

t now planning on the Italian place) each will    pay their individual bill.

 	  Quote: 	
		    

 I have not been able to list    the event on the RPA web site so far. (me and

the Internet at odds) so pass    this on.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   I need a head count.  Email me.

  

    Jim "Pappy" Goolsby

  

 cjpilot710(at)aol.com

    386-559-1942c

 386-467-3313h

     


	


________________________________  Message 2     _____________________________________

Time: 11:52:04 AM PST    US

Subject: Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic

From:    Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com>



Count me in!



On    Saturday, September 6, 2014, Bill Yakrobatics    <bill(at)yakrobatics.com>

wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Yo Ho and a bottle of    Rum!



 Sent from Bill's iPhone

 On Sep 5,    2014, at 11:05 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com

    <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cjpilot710(at)aol.com');>    wrote:



  Troops,  RPA &    T-34

 Pass the word.



 We're planning on    having a formation clinic at *KAYS (Waycross, Ga.) on

 Oct. 9 - 12. * I    hope to do the ground school the afternoon of the 9th.

 FNGs should    come having read ALL the material.  We try to get as many of

 the    FPRs out of the way as possible.  I expect a number of FNGs from    the

 T-34 group so there will be mixed formations which is good    training.  We'll

 try to get some Mass Formation practice in    also.  The AYS FBO is ready for

 us.  The plan is to keep it    simple and fly as much as possible.  I have not

 set up the hotel    yet (mostly likely will be the Holiday Inn) but

 reservation will be up    to you.  I'm planning on having sandwiches and

 drinks on hand for    lunches.  Right now the fee will be $50.00/person.

 There will be    one banquet night, (right now planning on the Italian place)

 each will    pay their individual bill.



 I have not been able to list the    event on the RPA web site so far. (me and

 the Internet at odds) so    pass this on.

 I need a head count.  Email me.



 Jim    "Pappy" Goolsby



 cjpilot710(at)aol.com    <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cjpilot710(at)aol.com');>

    386-559-1942c

 386-467-3313h

    *

    *


	


________________________________  Message    3  _____________________________________

Time: 02:26:49 PM PST    US

Subject: Program Letter

From: Ernest Martinez    <erniel29(at)gmail.com>



I just got a letter from my friendly and    knowledgeable FSDO in response to

my first program letter that I sent them.    I was told that my letter did not

meet the requirements of 8130.2 chapter 4    section 10, which only states

that I need to provide the local FSDO with a    Program Letter. It provides no

requirement for the content or format of the    Program Letter.



The letter ends stating that the FSDO cannot accept my    program letter, and

I need to re-submit a new one that meets the info    required in 8130.



Correct me if I'm off base here, but a Program Letter    merely informs the

FAA of my INTENT, and is not anything subject to    approval or denial.



Apparently my letter must have ended up on the guys    desk that never did

this    before.



Ernie



________________________________  Message    4  _____________________________________

Time: 02:49:29 PM PST    US

Subject: Re: Program Letter

From: Richard Hess    <hess737(at)aol.com>



Earnie

There should be guidance and an    example in the 8130.2G but it does now have a

specific format the FSDOs are    using more and more. 



Richard Hess

C 404-964-4885



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Sep    6, 2014, at 17:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com> wrote:

    

 I just got a letter from my friendly and knowledgeable FSDO in    response to

my first program letter that I sent them. I was told that my    letter did not
	


meet the requirements of 8130.2 chapter 4 section 10, which    only states tha

t I need to provide the local FSDO with a Program Letter.    It provides no req

uirement for the content or format of the Program    Letter.

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 The letter ends stating that the FSDO cannot accept    my program letter, and

I need to re-submit a new one that meets the info    required in 8130.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Correct me if I'm off base here, but a    Program Letter merely informs the FA

A of my INTENT, and is not anything    subject to approval or denial.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Apparently my letter must have    ended up on the guys desk that never did th

is before.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

    Ernie 

 

    

3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
	


D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3

D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3

D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3

D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 	  Quote: 	
		      


	


________________________________  Message 5     _____________________________________

Time: 03:35:04 PM PST    US

From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"    <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>

Subject: RE: Program    Letter

The EAA can also give you a hand with this...



But of    course they would kind of expect you to be a member.



Mark    Bitterlich

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BKENNAMORE(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:56 pm Post subject: Yak-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 09/06/14

In a message dated 9/7/2014 2:09:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  yak-list(at)matronics.com writes:

 [quote]*



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two Web Links    listed below.  The .html file includes the Digest formatted 

in HTML    for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes 

and    Message Navigation.  The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version    

of the Yak-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor    

such as Notepad or with a web browser. 



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          http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter=2014-09-06&Archive=Yak



Text    Version:



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                        Total Messages Posted Sat 09/06/14: 11

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Today's    Message Index:

----------------------



     1. 10:51    AM - Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic  (Bill    Yakrobatics)

     2. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA)    Formation Clinic  (Ernest Martinez)

     3. 02:26 PM -    Program Letter  (Ernest Martinez)

     4. 02:49 PM -    Re: Program Letter  (Richard Hess)

     5. 03:35 PM -    Re: Program Letter  (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)

        6. 03:53 PM - Re: Program Letter  (billygeipel)

        7. 05:58 PM - Re: Program Letter  (Mike Holoman)

        8. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic     (migfighter42)

     9. 06:42 PM - Re: Program Letter     (Ernest Martinez)

    10. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA)    Formation Clinic  (j blake)

    11. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: KAYS    (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic  (Roger    Kemp)



________________________________  Message 1     _____________________________________

Time: 10:51:03 AM PST    US

From: Bill Yakrobatics <bill(at)yakrobatics.com>

Subject:    Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic



Yo Ho and a bottle    of Rum!



Sent from Bill's iPhone

 	  Quote: 	
		   On Sep 5, 2014, at    11:05 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote:

 

 Troops,  RPA &    T-34

  

  

 Pass the word.

     

 We're planning on having a formation clinic at KAYS (Waycross, Ga.)    on Oct

. 9 - 12.  I hope to do the ground school the afternoon of the    9th.  FNGs sh
	


ould come having read ALL the material.  We try to    get as many of the FPRs o

ut of the way as possible.  I expect a    number of FNGs from the T-34 group so

there will be mixed formations which    is good training.  We'll try to get so

me Mass Formation practice in    also.  The AYS FBO is ready for us.  The plan i

s to keep it    simple and fly as much as possible.  I have not set up the hote

l yet    (mostly likely will be the Holiday Inn) but reservation will be up to    y

ou.  I'm planning on having sandwiches and drinks on hand for    lunches.  Righ

t now the fee will be $50.00/person.  There will    be one banquet night, (righ

t now planning on the Italian place) each will    pay their individual bill.

 	  Quote: 	
		    

 I have not been able to list    the event on the RPA web site so far. (me and

the Internet at odds) so pass    this on.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   I need a head count.  Email me.

  

    Jim "Pappy" Goolsby

  

 cjpilot710(at)aol.com

    386-559-1942c

 386-467-3313h

     


	


________________________________  Message 2     _____________________________________

Time: 11:52:04 AM PST    US

Subject: Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic

From:    Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com>



Count me in!



On    Saturday, September 6, 2014, Bill Yakrobatics    <bill(at)yakrobatics.com>

wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Yo Ho and a bottle of    Rum!



 Sent from Bill's iPhone

 On Sep 5,    2014, at 11:05 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com

    <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cjpilot710(at)aol.com');>    wrote:



  Troops,  RPA &    T-34

 Pass the word.



 We're planning on    having a formation clinic at *KAYS (Waycross, Ga.) on

 Oct. 9 - 12. * I    hope to do the ground school the afternoon of the 9th.

 FNGs should    come having read ALL the material.  We try to get as many of

 the    FPRs out of the way as possible.  I expect a number of FNGs from    the

 T-34 group so there will be mixed formations which is good    training.  We'll

 try to get some Mass Formation practice in    also.  The AYS FBO is ready for

 us.  The plan is to keep it    simple and fly as much as possible.  I have not

 set up the hotel    yet (mostly likely will be the Holiday Inn) but

 reservation will be up    to you.  I'm planning on having sandwiches and

 drinks on hand for    lunches.  Right now the fee will be $50.00/person.

 There will be    one banquet night, (right now planning on the Italian place)

 each will    pay their individual bill.



 I have not been able to list the    event on the RPA web site so far. (me and

 the Internet at odds) so    pass this on.

 I need a head count.  Email me.



 Jim    "Pappy" Goolsby



 cjpilot710(at)aol.com    <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cjpilot710(at)aol.com');>

    386-559-1942c

 386-467-3313h

    *

    *


	


________________________________  Message    3  _____________________________________

Time: 02:26:49 PM PST    US

Subject: Program Letter

From: Ernest Martinez    <erniel29(at)gmail.com>



I just got a letter from my friendly and    knowledgeable FSDO in response to

my first program letter that I sent them.    I was told that my letter did not

meet the requirements of 8130.2 chapter 4    section 10, which only states

that I need to provide the local FSDO with a    Program Letter. It provides no

requirement for the content or format of the    Program Letter.



The letter ends stating that the FSDO cannot accept my    program letter, and

I need to re-submit a new one that meets the info    required in 8130.



Correct me if I'm off base here, but a Program Letter    merely informs the

FAA of my INTENT, and is not anything subject to    approval or denial.



Apparently my letter must have ended up on the guys    desk that never did

this    before.



Ernie



________________________________  Message    4  _____________________________________

Time: 02:49:29 PM PST    US

Subject: Re: Program Letter

From: Richard Hess    <hess737(at)aol.com>



Earnie

There should be guidance and an    example in the 8130.2G but it does now have a

specific format the FSDOs are    using more and more. 



Richard Hess

C 404-964-4885



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Sep    6, 2014, at 17:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com> wrote:

    

 I just got a letter from my friendly and knowledgeable FSDO in    response to

my first program letter that I sent them. I was told that my    letter did not
	


meet the requirements of 8130.2 chapter 4 section 10, which    only states tha

t I need to provide the local FSDO with a Program Letter.    It provides no req

uirement for the content or format of the Program    Letter.

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 The letter ends stating that the FSDO cannot accept    my program letter, and

I need to re-submit a new one that meets the info    required in 8130.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Correct me if I'm off base here, but a    Program Letter merely informs the FA

A of my INTENT, and is not anything    subject to approval or denial.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Apparently my letter must have    ended up on the guys desk that never did th

is before.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

    Ernie 

 

    

3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
	


D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3

D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3

D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3

D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 	  Quote: 	
		      


	


________________________________  Message 5     _____________________________________

Time: 03:35:04 PM PST    US

From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"    <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>

Subject: RE: Program    Letter

The EAA can also give you a hand with this...



But of    course they would kind of expect you to be a member.



Mark    Bitterlich

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