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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:20 pm Post subject: Better than Seafoam?

Cleaning out the rings & ring lands on the 582, it's been a while, and the lower one was stuck on one side near the locator pin, both pistons. Scraped and scraped, looked pretty good, put the rings back in and was not real happy, Still sticking a little bit on that same side. Went to scrape some carbon off the underside of the head and think about it. 



Scraped a bit, and then just for the heck of it, shot the head with some PB Blaster. WOW! That stuff dissolves soft carbon like crazy. Let it sit for a while, wiped it off with a paper towel. Went online and researched it, saw some posts where other people had good results, but one post said to keep it away from seals, it can make them swell.



Packed the base of the pistons with shop rags, drenched the rings and piston lands with the stuff, letting it sit overnight. Will post again tomorrow. But I did see dissolving carbon running down the sides of the pistons. That would seem to be a good sign.



But unlike Seafoam, I really don't see putting this stuff in the gas tank.

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rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Western PA

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:59 pm Post subject: Better than Seafoam?

PB Blaster is the best liquid wrench I've ever used. Breaks loose unbelievably tough rusted bolts and even galled threads.



Dennis "Skid" Rowe

Mk3, Rotax 670, 

Leechburg, PA



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		   On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 Cleaning out the rings on the 582, it's been a while, and the lower one was stuck on one side near the locator pin, both pistons. Scraped and scraped, looked pretty good, put the rings back in and was not real happy, Still sticking a little bit on that same side. Went to scrape some carbon off the underside of the head and think about it. 

 

 Scraped a bit, and then just for the heck of it, shot the head with some PB Blaster. WOW! That stuff dissolves soft carbon like crazy. Let it sit for a while, wiped it off with a paper towel. Went online and researched it, saw some posts where other people had good results, but one post said to keep it away from seals, it can make them swell.

 

 Packed the base of the pistons with shop rags, drenched the rings and piston lands with the stuff, letting it sit overnight. Will post again tomorrow. But I did see dissolving carbon running down the sides of the pistons. That would seem to be a good sign.

 

 But unlike Seafoam, I really don't see putting this stuff in the gas tank.

 

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 Richard Pike

 Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

 Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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George Alexander

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 245
Location: SW Florida

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Better than Seafoam?

Richard:

Maybe you can convince the mfg to add wordage to the label, right alongside the statement about fixing leaky toilets.  8>)  

I agree with Dennis, it's good stuff.





 	  rowedenny wrote: 	
		  PB Blaster is the best liquid wrench I've ever used. Breaks loose unbelievably tough rusted bolts and even galled threads.



Dennis "Skid" Rowe

 	




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		   On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron> wrote:

  

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 Scraped a bit, and then just for the heck of it, shot the head with some PB Blaster. WOW! That stuff dissolves soft carbon like crazy. Let it sit for a while, wiped it off with a paper towel. Went online and researched it, saw some posts where other people had good results, but one post said to keep it away from seals, it can make them swell.

 

. . . S N I P . . . 



 But unlike Seafoam, I really don't see putting this stuff in the gas tank.

 

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 Richard Pike

 Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

 Kingsport, TN 3TN0

 There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'

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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:25 pm Post subject: Better than Seafoam?

Had a chance to experiment on some old lawnmower engine cylinder heads

Sea foam PB blaster carb cleaner. Not much gets after hard carbon 

Sent from my iPhone



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		   On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 PB Blaster is the best liquid wrench I've ever used. Breaks loose unbelievably tough rusted bolts and even galled threads.

 

 Dennis "Skid" Rowe

 Mk3, Rotax 670, 

 Leechburg, PA

 

 

 

> On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> wrote:

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> Cleaning out the rings on the 582, it's been a while, and the lower one was stuck on one side near the locator pin, both pistons. Scraped and scraped, looked pretty good, put the rings back in and was not real happy, Still sticking a little bit on that same side. Went to scrape some carbon off the underside of the head and think about it. 

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> Scraped a bit, and then just for the heck of it, shot the head with some PB Blaster. WOW! That stuff dissolves soft carbon like crazy. Let it sit for a while, wiped it off with a paper towel. Went online and researched it, saw some posts where other people had good results, but one post said to keep it away from seals, it can make them swell.

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> Packed the base of the pistons with shop rags, drenched the rings and piston lands with the stuff, letting it sit overnight. Will post again tomorrow. But I did see dissolving carbon running down the sides of the pistons. That would seem to be a good sign.

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> But unlike Seafoam, I really don't see putting this stuff in the gas tank.

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> Richard Pike

> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

> Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Better than Seafoam?

Let it soak the rings & grooves overnight, helped a little. My conclusion: it works great on soft carbon, not as much on hard carbon, still better than nothing. 



OTOH, Seafoam only has one purpose, and if it doesn't clean the carbon off your pistons and rings, it is pointless. PB Blaster works great on loosening rusted stuff even if it doesn't clean the carbon off the rings as good as I wish.

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Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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GeoB

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Location: Fresno, CA

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Better than Seafoam?

 	  Richard Pike wrote: 	
		  Let it soak the rings & grooves overnight, helped a little. 	




Wonder if anyone uses oven cleaner?

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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:49 am Post subject: Better than Seafoam?

Oven cleaner?  I think that is a great idea!  Does anybody have an old piston, and the urge for an experiment?  The stuff is definitely designed to remove baked on carbon.



                                                  Bill Sullivan

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 Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 6:32 AM

 

 

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 Richard Pike wrote:

 > Let it soak the rings & grooves overnight, helped a

 little.

 

 

 Wonder if anyone uses oven cleaner?

 

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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:56 am Post subject: Better than Seafoam?

On April 9, 2015 6:43:52 AM EDT, william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> wrote:[quote] [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>  Oven cleaner?  I think that is a great idea!  Does anybody have an old piston, and the urge for an experiment?  The stuff is definitely designed to remove baked on carbon.                                                  Bill Sullivando not archive.On Thu, 4/9/15, GeoB <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote: Subject: Re: Better than Seafoam? To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2015, 6:32 AM  --> Kolb-List message posted by: "GeoB" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>   Richard Pike wrote: 	  Quote: 	
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 little.   Wonder if anyone uses oven cleaner?[b] 

 For rust, a 50-50 mix of acetone & ATF is pretty impressive (and inexpensive).

 

 Charlie

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:45 am Post subject: Better than Seafoam?

Just the opposite of Charlie E's less expensive "stuff" is Kroil by KANO Labs in Nashville, TN.Â  This stuff is expensive, but works better than anything I have tried over the years for loosening stuck stuff.

 

They have an air tight guarantee to give you back your money if you, at any time, are dissatisfied with their product.

 

Don't let the prices scare you.Â  It works well.

 

http://www.kanolabs.com/penLub.html

 

john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

 

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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:51 pm Post subject: Better than Seafoam?

I think oven cleaner contains caustic soda  ( lye).  It dissolves 

aluminum.  Very important to test first.  Could test on any piece of 

aluminum



     Carl Radcliffe



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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:55 pm Post subject: Better than Seafoam?

For what it's worth. Machinists often have to deal with some nasty situations. At 

least this article has some numbers, not just preferences or claims. Saw this 

some time ago -

____________________________________________

I read a post on another website that said that an April/May 2007 edition of 

Machinist's Workshop did a study on penetrating oils to see which was the best 

at freeing rusted hardware. The results are indicated below:



Penetrating oil . Average breakaway load ..   Price per fluid ounce

None ................. 516 pounds .

WD-40 .............. 238 pounds ..                          $0.25

PB Blaster ......... 214 pounds ..                          $0.35

Liquid Wrench ... 127 pounds ..                          $0.21

Kano Kroil ........ 106 pounds ..                            $0.75

ATF-Acetone mix.. 53 pounds ..                          $0.10



According to this, a 50/50 mixture of Acetone and ATF was the best. Also, 

someone mentioned that "CRC Freeze-Off Super Penetrant" was pretty good 

with stuck bolts as the freezing effect tends to crack rusted surfaces.

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From:	"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>

To:	<kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject:	RE: Re: Better than Seafoam?

Date sent:	Thu, 9 Apr 2015 14:44:43 -0500

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     Just the opposite of Charlie E's less expensive "stuff" is Kroil 

     by KANO Labs in Nashville, TN.  This stuff is expensive, but 

     works better than anything I have tried over the years for 

     loosening stuck stuff.

      

     They have an air tight guarantee to give you back your 

     money if you, at any time, are dissatisfied with their product.

      

     Don't let the prices scare you.  It works well.

      

     http://www.kanolabs.com/penLub.html

      

     john h

     mkIII

     Titus, Alabama

      

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     Behalf Of Charlie England

     Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 12:56 PM

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     Subject: Re: Re: Better than Seafoam?

      

     On April 9, 2015 6:43:52 AM EDT, william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> wrote:

     

     

     

       Oven cleaner? 

      I think that is a great idea!  Does anybody have an old piston, and the urge for an experiment?  The stuff is definitely designed to remove baked on carbon.

     

                                                      

      Bill Sullivan

     do not archive.

 

     

 

 

     

     

     

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