Matronics Email Lists Forum Index Matronics Email Lists
BBS Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists
 
 Get Email Distribution Too!Get Email Distribution Too!    FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

re annual C I

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV-List
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
carl.froehlich(at)verizon
Guest





PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:11 am    Post subject: re annual C I Reply with quote

You cannot do the conditional inspection an log “I certify that this aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the scope and detail of Appendix D to Part 43, and was found to be in a condition for safe operation” without doing the oil change and filter inspection.

See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).

Carl



From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cheathco(at)cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM
To: RV-List Digest Server
Subject: re anual C I

Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again, maybe? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and does the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not filter, or would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance, Charlie Heathco




This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
0
Quote:
1
Quote:
2
Quote:
3
Quote:
4
Quote:
5
Quote:
6
Quote:
7
[quote][b]


- The Matronics RV-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
Back to top
Bob Collins



Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:26 am    Post subject: re annual C I Reply with quote

I think we’ll get a debate going here, because Part 43 does not apply to:

“(1) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of airworthiness certificate for that aircraft; or
(2) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate under the provisions of 21.191 (i)(3) of this chapter, and the aircraft was previously issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category under the provisions of 21.190 of this chapter.”


From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:11 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: re annual C I

You cannot do the conditional inspection an log “I certify that this aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the scope and detail of Appendix D to Part 43, and was found to be in a condition for safe operation” without doing the oil change and filter inspection.

See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).

Carl



From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of cheathco(at)cox.net (cheathco(at)cox.net)
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM
To: RV-List Digest Server
Subject: re anual C I

Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again, maybe? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and does the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not filter, or would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance, Charlie Heathco




This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution
0
Quote:
1
Quote:
2
Quote:
3
Quote:
4
Quote:
5
Quote:
6
Quote:
7
Quote:
8
Quote:
9
Quote:
0
Quote:
1
Quote:
2
Quote:
3
Quote:
4
Quote:
5
Quote:
6
Quote:
7
Quote:
8
Quote:
9
[quote][b]


- The Matronics RV-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List

_________________
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Letters from Flyover Country
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
Kellym



Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1613
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:15 am    Post subject: re annual C I Reply with quote

Not much of a debate. It is in the standard operating limitations..which
not everyone has, but in general you must use a checklist for your
condition inspection that at a minimum includes everything in Part 43,
Appendix D.
The inspection is the same as type certified aircraft. Only the wording
and who can do it are different.
Kelly

On 6/10/2015 7:25 AM, Bob Collins wrote:
Quote:

I think well get a debate going here, because Part 43 does not apply to:

(1) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental
certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of
airworthiness certificate for that aircraft; or

(2) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental
certificate under the provisions of 21.191 (i)(3) of this chapter,
and the aircraft was previously issued a special airworthiness
certificate in the light-sport category under the provisions of
21.190 of this chapter.

*From:*owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Froehlich
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:11 AM
*To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: re annual C I

You cannot do the conditional inspection an log I certify that this
aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the
scope and detail of Appendix D to Part 43, and was found to be in a
condition for safe operation without doing the oil change and filter
inspection.

See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).

Carl

//

*From:*owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
*cheathco(at)cox.net <mailto:cheathco(at)cox.net>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM
*To:* RV-List Digest Server
*Subject:* re anual C I

Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again,
maybe? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and
does the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr
comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not
filter, or would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance,
Charlie Heathco

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>



This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>

* *
* *
* *
*http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List*
* *
*http://forums.matronics.com*
* *
*http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
* *
* *
* *
* *
**
**
**
**
**
**
*http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List*
**
**
**
*http://forums.matronics.com*
**
**
**
**
*http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
**
* *
*
*


- The Matronics RV-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List

_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Gary.A.Sobek



Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 211
Location: SoCAL USA

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:18 am    Post subject: re annual C I Reply with quote

BUT the Operating Limitations that were issued with the 8130-7 Special Airworthiness Certificate says:
Quote:

Condition inspections must be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records showing the following, or a similarly worded, statement:

I certify that this aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the scope and detail of 14 CFR part 43 appendix D, and was found to be in a condition for safe operation.
The entry will include the aircrafts total time-in-service, and the name, signature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the person performing the inspection. 96 800x600 <![endif]--> Normal 0 false false false EN-US JA X-NONE <![endif]--> <![endif]--> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} <![endif]-->
43 Appendix D part (d)(3) says nothing about oil change.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgFAR.nsf/0/F7054277E4C9DC9586257913006500B2?OpenDocument
Quote:
(d) Each person performing an annual or 100-hour inspection shall inspect (where applicable) components of the engine and nacelle group as follows: (3) Internal engine--for cylinder compression and for metal particles or foreign matter on screens and sump drain plugs. If there is weak cylinder compression, for improper internal condition and improper internal tolerances.
IF the owner operator recently did an oil change and the Repairman / A&P was not around to witness, the oil could be returned to the engine after the pickup screen is inspected. The pickup screen inspection would remove all the oil out of the engine. The cost for the labor to do the task in this manor could approach the price of new oil.



On 06-10-2015 10:25 AM, Bob Collins wrote:

[quote] v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} <![endif]--> <![endif]--> <![endif]-->
I think well get a debate going here, because Part 43 does not apply to:

(1) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of airworthiness certificate for that aircraft; or
(2) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate under the provisions of 21.191 (i)(3) of this chapter, and the aircraft was previously issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category under the provisions of 21.190 of this chapter.


From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:11 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: re annual C I



You cannot do the conditional inspection an log I certify that this aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the scope and detail of Appendix D to Part 43, and was found to be in a condition for safe operation without doing the oil change and filter inspection.

See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).

Carl



From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of cheathco(at)cox.net (cheathco(at)cox.net)
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM
To: RV-List Digest Server
Subject: re anual C I



Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again, maybe? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and does the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not filter, or would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance, Charlie Heathco




This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
0
Quote:
1
Quote:
2
Quote:
3
Quote:
4
Quote:
5
Quote:
6
Quote:
7
Quote:
8
Quote:
9
Quote:
0
Quote:
1
Quote:
2
Quote:
3
Quote:
4
Quote:
5
Quote:
6
Quote:
7
Quote:
8
Quote:
9
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
0 [b]


- The Matronics RV-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
john(at)trollingers.com
Guest





PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:51 am    Post subject: re annual C I Reply with quote

Looking at Part 43, I do not see where it requires an oil change?  It only mentions oil twice and neither time does it refer to changing the oil.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net (carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
[quote]
You cannot do the conditional inspection an log “I certify that this aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the scope and detail of Appendix D to Part 43, and was found to be in a condition for safe operation” without doing the oil change and filter inspection. 
 
See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).
 
Carl
 
 
 
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of cheathco(at)cox.net (cheathco(at)cox.net)
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM
To: RV-List Digest Server
Subject: RV-List: re anual C I
 
Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again, maybe?  I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and does the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not filter, or would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance, Charlie Heathco 

 


This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com
 
Quote:
  http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List 
0
Quote:
 
1
Quote:
 
2
Quote:
 
3
Quote:
 
4
Quote:
 
5
Quote:
 
6
Quote:
 
7
Quote:
 
8
[b]


- The Matronics RV-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
Back to top
carl.froehlich(at)verizon
Guest





PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:14 am    Post subject: re annual C I Reply with quote

Good point – but it does say to look at screens and such for metal particles or foreign matter.  I guess you can do this without changing the oil or you can drain the oil and reuse it.  I’d offer that the pain and mess to do either is not worth it.

I also read this as needing to cut open the oil filter to look for metal particles.  Other may disagree.

So – while not optimal ground run the engine to get the oil temp up and just change the oil and filter.

Carl

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Trollinger
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 11:51 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: re annual C I


Looking at Part 43, I do not see where it requires an oil change? It only mentions oil twice and neither time does it refer to changing the oil.




On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net (carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
You cannot do the conditional inspection an log “I certify that this aircraft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the scope and detail of Appendix D to Part 43, and was found to be in a condition for safe operation” without doing the oil change and filter inspection.

See Part 43 Appendix D (d)(3).

Carl



From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of cheathco(at)cox.net (cheathco(at)cox.net)
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM
To: RV-List Digest Server
Subject: re anual C I

Thanks for all the replies, I anticipated the answer, but then again, maybe? I have been doing most of it, then my A&P finishes with me and does the logs. Now, re oil change with so little time.(thinking 100 hr comparison) What advise there? I am thinking change oil but not filter, or would you advise, not even changing oil? Thanks in advance, Charlie Heathco




This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listtp://forums.matronics.com
0
Quote:
1

Quote:
2
Quote:
3
Quote:
4
Quote:
5
Quote:
6
Quote:
7
Quote:
8
Quote:
9
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
0
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
1
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
2
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
3
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
4
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
5
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
6
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
7
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
8
Quote:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
9
[quote][b]


- The Matronics RV-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV-List All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group