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klangley1(at)mygrande.net
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 Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:35 am Post subject: RV10 instructors |
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I am wanting to add my AP/AI to my insurance policy so that he can act as PIC in the RV10. Insurance is wanting him to have 2 hours with an instructor that has 25 hrs in make and model (RV10). I have taken him in my 10 and he can handle the plane, but we need an instructor that is close to Waco, TX that can give him the 2 hours (in my plane) and sign off.
Is there a qualifying and willing instructor within a reasonable distance of Waco?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:38 am Post subject: RV10 instructors |
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Try Bob Snowden in Fredericksburg T82
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| Quote: | | --> RV10-List message posted by: Kenneth Langley <klangley1(at)mygrande.net> I am wanting to add my AP/AI to my insurance policy so that he can act as PIC in the RV10. Insurance is wanting him to have 2 hours with an instructor that has 25 hrs in make and model (RV10). I have taken him in my 10 and he can handle the plane, but we need an instructor that is close to Waco, TX that can give him the 2 hours (in my plane) and sign off. Is there a qualifying and willing instructor within a reasonable distance of Waco? Thanks Sent from my iPhone _-=================================== _-= - The RV10-List Email Forum - _-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse _-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, _-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, _-= Photoshare, and much much more: _-= _-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List _-= _-=================================== _-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - _-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! _-= _-= --> http://forums.matronics.com _-= _-=================================== _-= - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - _-= Add some info to the Matronics Email List Wiki! _-= --> http://wiki.matronics.com _-========== _-= - List Contribution Web Site - _-= Thank you for your generous support! _-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. _-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution _-========== |
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:14 am Post subject: RV10 instructors |
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Odd how insurance companies come up with requirements. I've seen some only limit coverage until XX hours experience.
The 10 isn't any more difficult to fly than any other plane of similar horsepower, and easier than most because there is no gear retraction to worry about. I see time with the owner as PIC more valuable, as only the builder will know the avionics and how the trim and flaps are configured.
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I am wanting to add my AP/AI to my insurance policy so that he can act as PIC in the RV10. Insurance is wanting him to have 2 hours with an instructor that has 25 hrs in make and model (RV10). I have taken him in my 10 and he can handle the plane, but we need an instructor that is close to Waco, TX that can give him the 2 hours (in my plane) and sign off.
Is there a qualifying and willing instructor within a reasonable distance of Waco?
Thanks
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:41 am Post subject: RV10 instructors |
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Have several up here in Pecan 0tx1 (Granbury). Contact me off list, and I'll see what I can do.
Don McDonald
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I am wanting to add my AP/AI to my insurance policy so that he can act as PIC in the RV10. Insurance is wanting him to have 2 hours with an instructor that has 25 hrs in make and model (RV10). I have taken him in my 10 and he can handle the plane, but we need an instructor that is close to Waco, TX that can give him the 2 hours (in my plane) and sign off.
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Dave Saylor
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:05 am Post subject: RV10 instructors |
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You might ask if there's an alternative. I've given and received "dual" without a CFI involved. I know it's not really dual instruction but it satisfied the insurance company. In a few cases I was specifically named as the person to fly with so you might ask if your A&P can just get some familiarization time logged with you.
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On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Kenneth Langley <klangley1(at)mygrande.net (klangley1(at)mygrande.net)> wrote: | Quote: | | --> RV10-List message posted by: Kenneth Langley <klangley1(at)mygrande.net (klangley1(at)mygrande.net)> I am wanting to add my AP/AI to my insurance policy so that he can act as PIC in the RV10. Insurance is wanting him to have 2 hours with an instructor that has 25 hrs in make and model (RV10). I have taken him in my 10 and he can handle the plane, but we need an instructor that is close to Waco, TX that can give him the 2 hours (in my plane) and sign off. Is there a qualifying and willing instructor within a reasonable distance of Waco? Thanks Sent from my iPhone =========== ass="gmail_msg"> _msg"> il_msg"> mail_msg"> -List" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =========== FORUMS - il_msg"> eferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com =========== WIKI - "> errer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com =========== b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== |
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:38 am Post subject: RV10 instructors |
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I added my instructor to my insurance first and then my A&P. The instructor did not require anything? A&P required 5 hours, but it did not spec with instructor. When I added a flying partner, insurance required 3 hours with an instructor. Jenny I think worked all that out in the background for me to make it as simple as possible. My current policy does not require named pilot and only 500 total time and 10 hours in an RV-10.
“Open Pilot Warranty: Any pilot private or better with 500 total logged hours as pilot in command with 10 hours in the RV10”
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You might ask if there's an alternative. I've given and received "dual" without a CFI involved. I know it's not really dual instruction but it satisfied the insurance company. In a few cases I was specifically named as the person to fly with so you might ask if your A&P can just get some familiarization time logged with you.
--Dave
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I am wanting to add my AP/AI to my insurance policy so that he can act as PIC in the RV10. Insurance is wanting him to have 2 hours with an instructor that has 25 hrs in make and model (RV10). I have taken him in my 10 and he can handle the plane, but we need an instructor that is close to Waco, TX that can give him the 2 hours (in my plane) and sign off.
Is there a qualifying and willing instructor within a reasonable distance of Waco?
Thanks
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: RV10 instructors |
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Be very very careful about using the 'open pilot' warranty. Typically these protect you from loss, but they do not protect your friend who is flying under this clause. In fact most policies require that, if asked, you help the insurance company to sue your friend, so that they can get their money back! So if it's someone (cfi?) you hate, no problem. But if it's a friend, you're looking at a potentially awkward, at best, situation.
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Tim Olson
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Bob,
I can't disagree with anything you say because it is accurate, however,
I was concerned recently about this when I just completed
my RV-10 renewal, that I would be leaving a friend hang if they
flew under the open pilot warranty, so I called Jenny at
NationAir (now Gallagher) to specifically ask about this. She said
that a suit against someone covered under the open pilot warranty
to recover damages is very rare, and really only done in cases of
negligence, FAR violation, or things of that nature. Now this
isn't to say a pilot shouldn't be wary of it, but it isn't necessarily
something that should cause a problem. I did choose to add a
friend as a named pilot last year, but this year removed them
because insurance companies also do not like to see too many names
listed as named pilots. At some point it begins to look more like
a flying club, and since I'll be having to add the wife and daughter
as named pilots I didn't want to add any others right now.
The open pilot clauses are rigorous enough at least to show that
they definitely want someone with RV experience to do the flying.
I see insurance in the RV-10 (and 14 for that matter) to be
fairly restrictive for many newer pilots, without a hefty
premium. It may serve a builder well to spend some time with
another RV builder as a safety pilot doing instrument approaches,
just to get their hours counting up, while they are building.
And of course, some stick time.
Tim
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Be very very careful about using the 'open pilot' warranty. Typically
these protect you from loss, but they do not protect your friend who
is flying under this clause. In fact most policies require that, if
asked, you help the insurance company to sue your friend, so that
they can get their money back! So if it's someone (cfi?) you hate, no
problem. But if it's a friend, you're looking at a potentially
awkward, at best, situation.
-------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:48 am Post subject: RV10 instructors |
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Good idea
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On Mar 4, 2017, at 9:04 AM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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--Dave
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