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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject: ADS-B "Saved" me Reply with quote

On Sept 7 I was IFR westbound on V198 at 4,00ft talking to Eglin approach on my way to Milton, FL (2R4) when my SkyView display started giving me a "Traffic Warning". The ADS-B indicated I had traffic 3 miles out, approaching me head on at my same altitude. When the alert showed the traffic at 1 mile, still approaching me head on and still at my altitude I firmly pulled the nose up and turned to the right. A few seconds later I saw a twin engine airplane pass about 100ft below me to my left, where the ADS-B was showing.
When I got over the "scare" I told the controller, in a firm voice, what had just happened and that I was a little upset. The controller sheepishly told me it was a Seneca maneuvering in that area. Immediately after, a different voice came on the radio and told me the Seneca was behind me and no longer a factor. It gave me the impression the original controller, who was quite busy at the time, was a trainee.
You can see my "evasive" maneuver on the FlightAware Track Log from 20:56:21Z to 20:58:07Z. What you can't see there is the affect it had on my underwear. Wink
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N819PR/history/20170907/1830Z/KBQK/2R4/tracklog

When I got on the ground I filled out a NASA form just so my little grain of salt is entered into the system.

ADS-B is not a substitute for "see and avoid". But in this case I don't know if I would I have seen this traffic without the ADS-B "point out". Being able to know where to look was a significant factor in knowing what to do. I didn't actually see the other airplane until it was extremely close.
Remember, ADS-B "IN" is a re-broadcast (TIS-B) of traffic being sent to somebody with ADS-B "OUT". If you only have ADS-B "IN", the re-broadcast you receive is the traffic meant for the other guy, not necessarily the traffic near you. This can be VERY misleading and give a false sense of security for the person with only ADS-B in. I am so glad I have ADS-B "IN/OUT" in my airplane.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:36 am    Post subject: ADS-B "Saved" me Reply with quote

Galin,
Glad to hear that everything worked out OK and that is positive confirmation of the value of the ADS-B IN/OUT System. Lot of plane owners upset about having to spend the big bucks to add to production aircraft but sounds like it just paid for itself in your case.
I am starting to acquire the components for a full Dynon based panel and while they are not "CHEAP" by any measure they seem to be much more reasonably priced than anything else when putting together a full panel. I know you got the Dynon Skyview system, are you pleased with it? Did you get the 10" display or the 7"? I am currently planning (if the money permits) on the 10" HDX to start and adding the 7" at a later date after flying. Also leaving panel space for Certified GPS/NAV/COM to enable IFR in the future. Already have the engine monitors, ADAHRS, and GPS-2020. Getting the components as needed and not before.
Bob
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:03 PM
Subject: ADS-B "Saved" me


On Sept 7 I was IFR westbound on V198 at 4,00ft talking to Eglin approach on my way to Milton, FL (2R4) when my SkyView display started giving me a "Traffic Warning". The ADS-B indicated I had traffic 3 miles out, approaching me head on at my same altitude. When the alert showed the traffic at 1 mile, still approaching me head on and still at my altitude I firmly pulled the nose up and turned to the right. A few seconds later I saw a twin engine airplane pass about 100ft below me to my left, where the ADS-B was showing.
When I got over the "scare" I told the controller, in a firm voice, what had just happened and that I was a little upset. The controller sheepishly told me it was a Seneca maneuvering in that area. Immediately after, a different voice came on the radio and told me the Seneca was behind me and no longer a factor. It gave me the impression the original controller, who was quite busy at the time, was a trainee.
You can see my "evasive" maneuver on the FlightAware Track Log from 20:56:21Z to 20:58:07Z. What you can't see there is the affect it had on my underwear. Wink
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N819PR/history/20170907/1830Z/KBQK/2R4/tracklog

When I got on the ground I filled out a NASA form just so my little grain of salt is entered into the system.

ADS-B is not a substitute for "see and avoid". But in this case I don't know if I would I have seen this traffic without the ADS-B "point out". Being able to know where to look was a significant factor in knowing what to do. I didn't actually see the other airplane until it was extremely close.
Remember, ADS-B "IN" is a re-broadcast (TIS-B) of traffic being sent to somebody with ADS-B "OUT". If you only have ADS-B "IN", the re-broadcast you receive is the traffic meant for the other guy, not necessarily the traffic near you. This can be VERY misleading and give a false sense of security for the person with only ADS-B in. I am so glad I have ADS-B "IN/OUT" in my airplane.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:29 pm    Post subject: ADS-B "Saved" me Reply with quote

I am SUPER pleased with my DYNON SkyView system especially their customer support. I have dual 7" displays with all the "bells & whistles". Here is a photo of my panel so you have an idea:

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On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:
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Galin,
Glad to hear that everything worked out OK and that is positive confirmation of the value of the ADS-B IN/OUT System.  Lot of plane owners upset about having to spend the big bucks to add to production aircraft but sounds like it just paid for itself in your case. 
I am starting to acquire the components for a full Dynon based panel and while they are not "CHEAP" by any measure they seem to be much more reasonably priced than anything else when putting together a full panel.  I know you got the Dynon Skyview system, are you pleased with it?  Did you get the 10" display or the 7"?  I am currently planning (if the money permits) on the 10" HDX to start and adding the 7" at a later date after flying.  Also leaving panel space for Certified GPS/NAV/COM to enable IFR in the future.  Already have the engine monitors, ADAHRS, and GPS-2020.  Getting the components as needed and not before.
Bob
From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)>
To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)" <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:03 PM
Subject: ADS-B "Saved" me


On Sept 7 I was IFR westbound on V198 at 4,00ft talking to Eglin approach on my way to Milton, FL (2R4) when my SkyView display started giving me a "Traffic Warning". The ADS-B indicated I had traffic 3 miles out, approaching me head on at my same altitude. When the alert showed the traffic at 1 mile, still approaching me head on and still at my altitude I firmly pulled the nose up and turned to the right. A few seconds later I saw a twin engine airplane pass about 100ft below me to my left, where the ADS-B was showing.
When I got over the "scare" I told the controller, in a firm voice, what had just happened and that I was a little upset. The controller sheepishly told me it was a Seneca maneuvering in that area. Immediately after, a different voice came on the radio and told me the Seneca was behind me and no longer a factor. It gave me the impression the original controller, who was quite busy at the time, was a trainee.
You can see my "evasive" maneuver on the FlightAware Track Log from 20:56:21Z to 20:58:07Z. What you can't see there is the affect it had on my underwear. Wink
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N819PR/history/20170907/1830Z/KBQK/2R4/tracklog

When I got on the ground I filled out a NASA form just so my little grain of salt is entered into the system.

ADS-B is not a substitute for "see and avoid". But in this case I don't know if I would I have seen this traffic without the ADS-B "point out". Being able to know where to look was a significant factor in knowing what to do. I didn't actually see the other airplane until it was extremely close.
Remember, ADS-B "IN" is a re-broadcast (TIS-B) of traffic being sent to somebody with ADS-B "OUT". If you only have ADS-B "IN", the re-broadcast you receive is the traffic meant for the other guy, not necessarily the traffic near you. This can be VERY misleading and give a false sense of security for the person with only ADS-B in. I am so glad I have ADS-B "IN/OUT" in my airplane.
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