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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:28 pm    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

Hi

Everyone knows that VANS makes a great kit. That being said, some of the kit components do seem like that they are ex the iron works of Mordor.

IMHO, the rudder pedals and brake lines supplied as part of the VANS kit really don't do the -10 justice. In my flying -10, I installed Paul Grimstad's after market pedals.. I have been very happy with them. They really look like they "belong'".

For my current project I went back to Paul and got his current pedal iteration. It is lighter and equally appropriate in a -10 fuse.

For those interested, here is a link to his website: http://controlapproach.com/products/experimental-aircraft-products/rv10-rudder-pedal-system

Cheers

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:00 pm    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

I am most happy with my Control Approach pedals.

Sure grip for feet.

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Hi

Everyone knows that VANS makes a great kit. That being said, some of the kit components do seem like that they are ex the iron works of Mordor.

IMHO, the rudder pedals and brake lines supplied as part of the VANS kit really don't do the -10 justice. In my flying -10, I installed Paul Grimstad's after market pedals.. I have been very happy with them. They really look like they "belong'".

For my current project I went back to Paul and got his current pedal iteration. It is lighter and equally appropriate in a -10 fuse.

For those interested, here is a link to his website: http://controlapproach.com/products/experimental-aircraft-products/rv10-rudder-pedal-system

Cheers

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:07 pm    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

Les,

They indeed look nice. No prices on the website that I could find. What did they set you back?

Thanks,
Marcus
Hoping to break 1000 hours this year

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Hi

Everyone knows that VANS makes a great kit. That being said, some of the kit components do seem like that they are ex the iron works of Mordor.

IMHO, the rudder pedals and brake lines supplied as part of the VANS kit really don't do the -10 justice. In my flying -10, I installed Paul Grimstad's after market pedals.. I have been very happy with them. They really look like they "belong'".

For my current project I went back to Paul and got his current pedal iteration. It is lighter and equally appropriate in a -10 fuse.

For those interested, here is a link to his website: http://controlapproach.com/products/experimental-aircraft-products/rv10-rudder-pedal-system

Cheers

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Just under $2k

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Les,

They indeed look nice. No prices on the website that I could find. What did they set you back?

Thanks,
Marcus
Hoping to break 1000 hours this year

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> Hi
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> Everyone knows that VANS makes a great kit. That being said, some of the kit components do seem like that they are ex the iron works of Mordor.
>
> IMHO, the rudder pedals and brake lines supplied as part of the VANS kit really don't do the -10 justice. In my flying -10, I installed Paul Grimstad's after market pedals.. I have been very happy with them. They really look like they "belong'".
>
> For my current project I went back to Paul and got his current pedal iteration. It is lighter and equally appropriate in a -10 fuse.
>
> For those interested, here is a link to his website: http://controlapproach.com/products/experimental-aircraft-products/rv10-rudder-pedal-system
>
> Cheers
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:41 am    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

I find the stock rudder pedal setup works just fine - after I added a simple
extension to keep my toes off the brakes. I buddy of mine made these on his
milling machine. He still has the pattern if anyone is interested.

$2000 will buy a lot of avgas.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:01 am    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

I'd agree. I've never found them aesthetically unpleasing and they work
just fine. In my case I don't even have the extension and don't have a
problem
keeping off the brakes. Plus they do make those aftermarket rubber pedals
with upper and lower push areas, if someone really has to have that.
There are plenty of ways to spend extra thousands of dollars...but
having just
signed on to SiriusXM today, I'd rather spend it on 4 years of satellite wx.
To each his own I guess.

To those who ask why XM when ADS-B is free....ADS-B coverage sucks
at low altitudes and you don't have it when you need it most.

Tim
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I find the stock rudder pedal setup works just fine - after I added a simple
extension to keep my toes off the brakes. I buddy of mine made these on his
milling machine. He still has the pattern if anyone is interested.

$2000 will buy a lot of avgas.

Carl


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:03 am    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

Re ADSB coverage: Tim, is that primarily a 'midwest' issue in your
experience? I was previously a XM subscriber and definitely preferred
their wx products but I'm getting ADSB coverage everywhere I'm looking
for it on the east coast and the price remains right. Just wondering....

I painted my Vans pedals (the pads with the holes) in silver and they
really look spiffy - like stainless. Didn't see that coming. Those
aftermarkets look pretty spiffy as well.

Bill "wondering if 1,000 hours marks the beginning of some kind of a
'things fail and wear-out' mode" Watson

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I'd agree. I've never found them aesthetically unpleasing and they work
just fine. In my case I don't even have the extension and don't have
a problem
keeping off the brakes. Plus they do make those aftermarket rubber
pedals
with upper and lower push areas, if someone really has to have that.
There are plenty of ways to spend extra thousands of dollars...but
having just
signed on to SiriusXM today, I'd rather spend it on 4 years of
satellite wx.
To each his own I guess.

To those who ask why XM when ADS-B is free....ADS-B coverage sucks
at low altitudes and you don't have it when you need it most.

Tim
On 3/7/2018 8:39 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> I find the stock rudder pedal setup works just fine - after I added a
> simple
> extension to keep my toes off the brakes. I buddy of mine made these
> on his
> milling machine. He still has the pattern if anyone is interested.
>
> $2000 will buy a lot of avgas.
>
> Carl



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:11 am    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

I have these pedals (photo attached). They work great, but still don’t fix the sticking master cylinder issue. Just recently had some badly warped rotors because of dragging brakes.

Saw someone put plastic Heyco bushings in the lightning holes of their stock pedals. It make it look really cool, and probably saves the powdercoating from wearing off.

Lenny
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On Mar 7, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)> wrote:--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)>I'd agree. I've never found them aesthetically unpleasing and they workjust fine. In my case I don't even have the extension and don't have a problemkeeping off the brakes. Plus they do make those aftermarket rubber pedalswith upper and lower push areas, if someone really has to have that.There are plenty of ways to spend extra thousands of dollars...but having justsigned on to SiriusXM today, I'd rather spend it on 4 years of satellite wx.To each his own I guess.To those who ask why XM when ADS-B is free....ADS-B coverage sucksat low altitudes and you don't have it when you need it most.TimOn 3/7/2018 8:39 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:27 am    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

I would say if you live on the East coast, you'll probably have it
better than most people in the country.
Certainly the coverage is better and the terrain is flatter. Where it
really falls apart is
in the center of the country and heading west, and in the mountains in
areas too.
It depends on what you're flight altitude is, and the season, especially.
Like for instance, one spring trip around here, we had cold temps with
icing conditions
all over, but VFR underneath. The ceilings being 1200' or so. Well,
that's fine if
you have good viz underneath...no reason to cancel a trip to the
tropics, or to not
be able to get home. But, you will find that under 3000-3500' of
altitude the
coverage is horrible in much of the country. Maybe it's summertime and
there
are thunderstorms and clouds...I never want to fly instruments when
there are
lots of thunderstorms all in my path, so I'll duck under where I can
stay VFR and
make decisions on the conditions and do lots of deviations. That
doesn't play
well always either with the altitude restrictions of ADS-B. Even by my
own airport
and flying to the local town that is 80,000+ people and one of the only
bigger
cities in our part of the state, we have to be at 3,000-3500' before we
get any
weather info. In the rainy periods of the year, this makes it again
impossible to
have the data you need to avoid storm cells and make decisions that may give
you a good route to your destination. When I took the plane to idaho
with ADS-B
only, we had <2000' ceilings just east of the rockies in Wyoming....with
great
clear skies under the overcast. No weather info to be had, which means no
current wind info for your possible fuel stops.

So what I find is, if you are flying something heavier that you are
always going to
fly high, and cruise at maybe 8,000-16,000', sure, FIS-B will probably
work for you
if you don't care about the weather picture when you're on the ground.
But for any serious x/c travel, if you are NOT interested in getting
into icing,
and NOT interested in flying inside clouds with embeded thunderstorms
anywhere nearby, or you need to fly at 1,000-3,000' for avoiding turbulence
or weather, you will be lacking all of the data you need to do it safely.

I distinctly remember a flight home from OSH in the Sundowner years ago,
started at 7,000 IFR, but with big black clouds to the North, ended
cancelling
and going lower to get home VFR. I had no weather data, and no fuel
totalizer,
and had an extended taxi at OSH. I felt completely at a loss for
information and
had to divert and stop and sit on the ground until I could get good weather
data. As it turned out, if I'd have had a fuel totalizer, and any kind
of in-cockpit
weather, I would have known my fuel situation was "plenty" and a 10 minute
diversion could have put me on the back side in completely clear skies,
where
I'd have been able to get home. In fact, by phone, people at home told me
there wasn't a cloud in the sky...I just needed to take the right route.

FIS-B is a big letdown of coverage. If the feds DOUBLED the number of
uplinks, I'd say it may finally just be good enough. The way it is now,
I think they should have skipped FIS-B altogether and just given a free
base package of satellite weather to every pilot, with Nexrad, metars,
and TAF's and TFR's. Then let them buy additional.

At least in my past 1500 hours in the RV's now, I can say that satellite wx
was one of the biggest things that enabled successful trips, and is
probably the
last piece of technology I'd want to remove from the plane, even as
far as the EFIS goes. I'll fly a six-pack if I have to, but you have to pry
the weather data from my hands.

Tim
On 3/7/2018 10:02 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
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Re ADSB coverage: Tim, is that primarily a 'midwest' issue in your
experience? I was previously a XM subscriber and definitely
preferred their wx products but I'm getting ADSB coverage everywhere
I'm looking for it on the east coast and the price remains right.
Just wondering....

I painted my Vans pedals (the pads with the holes) in silver and they
really look spiffy - like stainless. Didn't see that coming. Those
aftermarkets look pretty spiffy as well.

Bill "wondering if 1,000 hours marks the beginning of some kind of
a 'things fail and wear-out' mode" Watson


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:35 am    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

I'm curious, how are those pedals balanced as far as a tendency to tip forward or aft?
Not being critical at all, just wondering.  I know that when I added the pedal blocks
to mine for the girls, I set them up and they actually are weighted so that they would
help to retract the pedal.  I also remember people in the past adding return springs
to the master cylinder.  (is that what I see by the hose on the picture?)
Is it possible that the weighting of the pedal maybe assisted in adding to the
brake drag?  Just thinking out loud.  If that were true, maybe a slight change in the
position of the lower pad could make a difference.

I've not run into problems with the stock setup, but I know people who have,
and I've always been curious as to what would be so different.  I know that
a few people have gone to a singe long hinge bolt, and I know that over tightening
the bolts can really be a big problem. But other that that I can't find any
serious flaws in the stock system.  Van's did improve the pedal itself in the
RV-14 kit, so for new builders, you may want to swap parts for the
actual metal pedal itself. from the -14.  Everything else is the same.
Tim




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I have these pedals (photo attached). They work great, but still don’t fix the sticking master cylinder issue. Just recently had some badly warped rotors because of dragging brakes.

Saw someone put plastic Heyco bushings in the lightning holes of their stock pedals. It make it look really cool, and probably saves the powdercoating from wearing off.

Lenny


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:59 am    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

The pedal geometry is exactly the same as stock. I haven’t checked their balance but that’s a good point.
I did add return springs and they seem to be helping, but I’m going to switch them out to clock springs, cause according to Matco the current ones are eventually going to wear out the master cylinder shaft.

Lenny

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On Mar 7, 2018, at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

I'm curious, how are those pedals balanced as far as a tendency to tip forward or aft?
Not being critical at all, just wondering. I know that when I added the pedal blocks
to mine for the girls, I set them up and they actually are weighted so that they would
help to retract the pedal. I also remember people in the past adding return springs
to the master cylinder. (is that what I see by the hose on the picture?)
Is it possible that the weighting of the pedal maybe assisted in adding to the
brake drag? Just thinking out loud. If that were true, maybe a slight change in the
position of the lower pad could make a difference.

I've not run into problems with the stock setup, but I know people who have,
and I've always been curious as to what would be so different. I know that
a few people have gone to a singe long hinge bolt, and I know that over tightening
the bolts can really be a big problem. But other that that I can't find any
serious flaws in the stock system. Van's did improve the pedal itself in the
RV-14 kit, so for new builders, you may want to swap parts for the
actual metal pedal itself. from the -14. Everything else is the same.
Tim




On 3/7/2018 10:10 AM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
> I have these pedals (photo attached). They work great, but still don’t fix the sticking master cylinder issue. Just recently had some badly warped rotors because of dragging brakes.
>
> Saw someone put plastic Heyco bushings in the lightning holes of their stock pedals. It make it look really cool, and probably saves the powdercoating from wearing off.
>
> Lenny
>
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:07 am    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

While on the discussion of rudder pedals, Aerosport Products is going to
start offering these extensions with Your Custom N-Number or whatever you
would like,
Or just a standard set with the AEROSPORT on them. These will be Nylon PA12
and the cost will be $75.00 per set of 2 for the Standard and for custom
will be
$95.00. For custom pedals allow around 2 weeks. I have been flying with a
set of these that I machined out of Aluminum for 8 years. I have just
changed over to the new ones.
You will need 2 sets for pilot and copilot
Geoff Combs
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:20 am    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

I wholeheartedly agree with Tim’s assessment. XM WX on my 396 is a permanent fixture in my 10 with the ADS-B WX the backup!

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I would say if you live on the East coast, you'll probably have it better than most people in the country.
Certainly the coverage is better and the terrain is flatter. Where it really falls apart is
in the center of the country and heading west, and in the mountains in areas too.
It depends on what you're flight altitude is, and the season, especially.
Like for instance, one spring trip around here, we had cold temps with icing conditions
all over, but VFR underneath. The ceilings being 1200' or so. Well, that's fine if
you have good viz underneath...no reason to cancel a trip to the tropics, or to not
be able to get home. But, you will find that under 3000-3500' of altitude the
coverage is horrible in much of the country. Maybe it's summertime and there
are thunderstorms and clouds...I never want to fly instruments when there are
lots of thunderstorms all in my path, so I'll duck under where I can stay VFR and
make decisions on the conditions and do lots of deviations. That doesn't play
well always either with the altitude restrictions of ADS-B. Even by my own airport
and flying to the local town that is 80,000+ people and one of the only bigger
cities in our part of the state, we have to be at 3,000-3500' before we get any
weather info. In the rainy periods of the year, this makes it again impossible to
have the data you need to avoid storm cells and make decisions that may give
you a good route to your destination. When I took the plane to idaho with ADS-B
only, we had <2000' ceilings just east of the rockies in Wyoming....with great
clear skies under the overcast. No weather info to be had, which means no
current wind info for your possible fuel stops.

So what I find is, if you are flying something heavier that you are always going to
fly high, and cruise at maybe 8,000-16,000', sure, FIS-B will probably work for you
if you don't care about the weather picture when you're on the ground.
But for any serious x/c travel, if you are NOT interested in getting into icing,
and NOT interested in flying inside clouds with embeded thunderstorms
anywhere nearby, or you need to fly at 1,000-3,000' for avoiding turbulence
or weather, you will be lacking all of the data you need to do it safely.

I distinctly remember a flight home from OSH in the Sundowner years ago,
started at 7,000 IFR, but with big black clouds to the North, ended cancelling
and going lower to get home VFR. I had no weather data, and no fuel totalizer,
and had an extended taxi at OSH. I felt completely at a loss for information and
had to divert and stop and sit on the ground until I could get good weather
data. As it turned out, if I'd have had a fuel totalizer, and any kind of in-cockpit
weather, I would have known my fuel situation was "plenty" and a 10 minute
diversion could have put me on the back side in completely clear skies, where
I'd have been able to get home. In fact, by phone, people at home told me
there wasn't a cloud in the sky...I just needed to take the right route.

FIS-B is a big letdown of coverage. If the feds DOUBLED the number of
uplinks, I'd say it may finally just be good enough. The way it is now,
I think they should have skipped FIS-B altogether and just given a free
base package of satellite weather to every pilot, with Nexrad, metars,
and TAF's and TFR's. Then let them buy additional.

At least in my past 1500 hours in the RV's now, I can say that satellite wx
was one of the biggest things that enabled successful trips, and is probably the
last piece of technology I'd want to remove from the plane, even as
far as the EFIS goes. I'll fly a six-pack if I have to, but you have to pry
the weather data from my hands.

Tim


On 3/7/2018 10:02 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
>
> Re ADSB coverage: Tim, is that primarily a 'midwest' issue in your experience? I was previously a XM subscriber and definitely preferred their wx products but I'm getting ADSB coverage everywhere I'm looking for it on the east coast and the price remains right. Just wondering....
>
> I painted my Vans pedals (the pads with the holes) in silver and they really look spiffy - like stainless. Didn't see that coming. Those aftermarkets look pretty spiffy as well.
>
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:21 pm    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

Yes, that sounds different that what I normally encounter in the east
and southeast.

I can get ADSB weather practically down to the ground, or at least as
close to the ground as I normally find myself looking for wx info. A
couple of years ago I had an odd situation where I could take off from
my home field (8NC8) and fly to KTTA, passing by KRDU, and would not get
any ADSB data until very short final at KTTA. However, taking off from
KTTA and flying home, I would have ADSB data all the way back.
Sometimes rec'ng ADSB data on the ground at 8NC8. Power down and then
back up - no ADSB. Navworx worked with me (!!!) to try and fix it. We
concluded it was an ADSB 'network' problem and sure enough, full service
appeared magically a few months later. (Yes, I'm still runnning Navworx
with the AMOC successfully)

Otherwise, flying underneath a low ceiling to avoid ice is not common
solution in the SE, at least for me. But I do plenty of flying under
the icy overcast out of KAGC (Pittsburgh) and I consistently get ADSB at
1500' AGL when needed. Same with T-storms. Normally flying above
cloud base, which often between 4 and 6k, is enough to allow convective
storm avoidance via the requested deviation. Only rarely do I run into
situations where getting underneath is preferable. Surface 'bumpiness',
i.e. hills and antenna make me think twice about it anyway.

As a wise and experienced aviator said recently, "At least in my past
1500 hours in the RV's now, I can say that satellite wx was one of the
biggest things that enabled successful trips, and is probably the last
piece of technology I'd want to remove from the plane, even as far as
the EFIS goes. I'll fly a six-pack if I have to, but you have to pry
the weather data from my hands." Indeed.

It has been that way for me since I first laid eyes on Nexrad imagery in
the cockpit using CheapBastard software on the communicating Palm Pilot
(anyone else here ever use it?). Then the 396 came out with XM and my
little Maule with its 6-pack felt like a EA6 Prowler bristling with
antennas. In fact for that first year or so with the 396 it was great
fun to mix it up with jet traffic that would be holding outside say KJAX
because of a line of thunder-bumpers while I snaked my way in behind
it. They had radar, but I could see around corners.

Five minutes later it seemed like everyone had a 396 in the bag - radar
capable or not.

On 3/7/2018 11:26 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
Quote:


I would say if you live on the East coast, you'll probably have it
better than most people in the country.
Certainly the coverage is better and the terrain is flatter. Where it
really falls apart is
in the center of the country and heading west, and in the mountains in
areas too.
It depends on what you're flight altitude is, and the season, especially.
Like for instance, one spring trip around here, we had cold temps with
icing conditions
all over, but VFR underneath. The ceilings being 1200' or so. Well,
that's fine if
you have good viz underneath...no reason to cancel a trip to the
tropics, or to not
be able to get home. But, you will find that under 3000-3500' of
altitude the
coverage is horrible in much of the country. Maybe it's summertime
and there
are thunderstorms and clouds...I never want to fly instruments when
there are
lots of thunderstorms all in my path, so I'll duck under where I can
stay VFR and
make decisions on the conditions and do lots of deviations. That
doesn't play
well always either with the altitude restrictions of ADS-B. Even by
my own airport
and flying to the local town that is 80,000+ people and one of the
only bigger
cities in our part of the state, we have to be at 3,000-3500' before
we get any
weather info. In the rainy periods of the year, this makes it again
impossible to
have the data you need to avoid storm cells and make decisions that
may give
you a good route to your destination. When I took the plane to idaho
with ADS-B
only, we had <2000' ceilings just east of the rockies in
Wyoming....with great
clear skies under the overcast. No weather info to be had, which
means no
current wind info for your possible fuel stops.

So what I find is, if you are flying something heavier that you are
always going to
fly high, and cruise at maybe 8,000-16,000', sure, FIS-B will probably
work for you
if you don't care about the weather picture when you're on the ground.
But for any serious x/c travel, if you are NOT interested in getting
into icing,
and NOT interested in flying inside clouds with embeded thunderstorms
anywhere nearby, or you need to fly at 1,000-3,000' for avoiding
turbulence
or weather, you will be lacking all of the data you need to do it safely.

I distinctly remember a flight home from OSH in the Sundowner years ago,
started at 7,000 IFR, but with big black clouds to the North, ended
cancelling
and going lower to get home VFR. I had no weather data, and no fuel
totalizer,
and had an extended taxi at OSH. I felt completely at a loss for
information and
had to divert and stop and sit on the ground until I could get good
weather
data. As it turned out, if I'd have had a fuel totalizer, and any
kind of in-cockpit
weather, I would have known my fuel situation was "plenty" and a 10
minute
diversion could have put me on the back side in completely clear
skies, where
I'd have been able to get home. In fact, by phone, people at home
told me
there wasn't a cloud in the sky...I just needed to take the right route.

FIS-B is a big letdown of coverage. If the feds DOUBLED the number of
uplinks, I'd say it may finally just be good enough. The way it is now,
I think they should have skipped FIS-B altogether and just given a free
base package of satellite weather to every pilot, with Nexrad, metars,
and TAF's and TFR's. Then let them buy additional.

At least in my past 1500 hours in the RV's now, I can say that
satellite wx
was one of the biggest things that enabled successful trips, and is
probably the
last piece of technology I'd want to remove from the plane, even as
far as the EFIS goes. I'll fly a six-pack if I have to, but you have
to pry
the weather data from my hands.

Tim
On 3/7/2018 10:02 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
>
> Re ADSB coverage: Tim, is that primarily a 'midwest' issue in your
> experience? I was previously a XM subscriber and definitely
> preferred their wx products but I'm getting ADSB coverage everywhere
> I'm looking for it on the east coast and the price remains right.
> Just wondering....
>
> I painted my Vans pedals (the pads with the holes) in silver and
> they really look spiffy - like stainless. Didn't see that coming.
> Those aftermarkets look pretty spiffy as well.
>
> Bill "wondering if 1,000 hours marks the beginning of some kind of
> a 'things fail and wear-out' mode" Watson



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:53 pm    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

..and if you are low enough 4G LTE works too.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:02 pm    Post subject: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

Very true. I find to be reliable in my area that’s 1000-1500 max, but I think when the day come that we can all get in cockpit internet access cheaply, that will finally negate the need for all of this other satellite and FIS-B stuff.
It can’t come soon enough.
Tim

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

Sorry for the thread drift...
Am I the only one who has gotten the dreaded “Refresh signal needed” from XM? The radio boots up on channel 1 with the message, and is otherwise useless until you get XM to send the signal. We have XM in the airplane, cars, home. Different model receivers. It has happened to all of them at one time or another. Happened so often that I have the specific XM web site page bookmarked in the iPad. And then, it happened to the XM wx receiver when I really wanted it - crossing AZ VFR but with scattered lines of thunderstorms. I probably over reacted, but I was so angry that when I got home I bought an ADSB-in box and cancelled XM wx. So far, I’m happy. Locally I seldom fly any distance under 3,000’ (the terain doesn’t allow it) and ADSB-in coverage seems good. If I frequently flew in the flatlands I might have a different opinion.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: Aftermarket Rudder Pedals Reply with quote

I originally wanted Paul's setup; it looks really nice. Problem was, he stopped making them. I kept in touch for as long a I could wait but finally ended up with the stock system...not flying yet but they should work fine...

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