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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:28 am    Post subject: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 Reply with quote

Amen to that.
When I did my training for my private ticket (in a not-Kolb), I was
fortunate to have an instructor that made me treat every landing as an
engine-out. I had to be at idle at pattern altitude abeam the numbers,
and make the landing work from there. I realize that going to idle that
early isn't likely to work in a Kolb, but carrying power into the flair
on every landing is a sure-fire way to guarantee a bent plane (and maybe
broken people) the 1st time the engine actually fails. That's true no
matter what you fly, unless it has turbine power.

Charlie

On 8/13/2018 11:28 AM, John Hauck wrote:
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Not much different than powered landing. Only thing is you don't get a
second chance to do it. The Kolb will glide better dead stick and with the
engine at idle.

We should all be constantly looking for forced landing areas as we fly.
Most likely the engine will quit when you least expect it, not necessarily
when you have a nice big hay field to land in.

If you can shoot your approach at idle all the way to the ground, you can do
a dead stick.

I've been flying 50 years next month. I still practice engine failures with
dead stick landings. When the time comes I want to be able to execute the
forced landing with ease.

john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama



Excellent discussion, im not trying to hijack your post Bill
but may i ask as a zero time Kolb pilot what is the proper way to fly
and land an engine out Kolb?
Thanks Mike

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Flutter / Firestar Test Flight #2 Reply with quote

I forget how many landings I've done in my MKIII, 7 or 8 thousand. Too lazy to get up. Now I see my log books on the end of my desk. In my mkIII alone, 7,302 landings, not counting multiple landings from bounces. Not counting landings in other Kolbs.

All those landings were idle engine unless I was in a Hell of a wind and needed some power to help the rudder kick the tail around. Not hard for a good wind to overpower the rudder at idle.

Doesn't count landings in my Ultrastar and Firestar. I started shooting landings at idle from the get go in the US. It was just the natural thing to do, to me. Back then we experienced a lot of engine outs, and I wanted to be prepared.

Got my Private Ticket in a 152, 22 years after Army Rotary Wing Training and 16 years after I started flying Kolbs. I was getting ready to build a two place Kolb. Don't know how many landings in the US and FS, but I did get 1150.0 hours in both aircraft in less than 5 years. I was pretty hard on those airplanes confronted with a steep learning curve. There were a couple years of down time to repair, and another complete rebuild down to bare steel on the fuselage and other steel parts. I was a flying fool back then.

I was taught idle power landings in the 152.

What were we talking about? Sorry, I got carried away again.

john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama




Amen to that.
When I did my training for my private ticket (in a not-Kolb), I was
fortunate to have an instructor that made me treat every landing as an
engine-out. I had to be at idle at pattern altitude abeam the numbers,
and make the landing work from there. I realize that going to idle that
early isn't likely to work in a Kolb, but carrying power into the flair
on every landing is a sure-fire way to guarantee a bent plane (and maybe
broken people) the 1st time the engine actually fails. That's true no
matter what you fly, unless it has turbine power.

Charlie


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