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Richard Pike



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Location: Blountville, Tennessee

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:19 pm    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

Finishing up the repairs on the Firefly nose bowl, next comes the windshield. The minimal windshield we had on it before was not very good. We would like to see other options for windshields for the Firestar / Firefly, hopefully this next time we can come up with something that works better to keep the wind buffet in your face to a minimum.
Thanks - Richard & David


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:47 pm    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

This is about is simple and light as it gets Richard. It simply flexes open and locks down with a prop rod and old fashion door latch. It’s .060” Lexan.

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On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> wrote:



Finishing up the repairs on the Firefly nose bowl, next comes the windshield. The minimal windshield we had on it before was not very good. We would like to see other options for windshields for the Firestar / Firefly, hopefully this next time we can come up with something that works better to keep the wind buffet in your face to a minimum.
Thanks - Richard & David

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Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Engine is in place, now for the wiring. Ugh.)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

Yeah, that's what I had in mind! Do you have any other pictures of how it latches in place at the front and the back?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:16 pm    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

Yes I do Richard. Do you have Facebook messenger?
George H.
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Mesick, Michigan

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On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:53 PM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> wrote:



Yeah, that's what I had in mind! Do you have any other pictures of how it latches in place at the front and the back?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:51 am    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

With my Firestars full enclosure kit came the long windshield and center windshield support tube that ran from the dash to the top overhead ring support.That was the most comfortable addition, The long windshield that extended to your shoulder. It made communication on the radio possible as well as ending the fatigue from air buffeting. G.Aman FS2- MK3C
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Finishing up the repairs on the Firefly nose bowl, next comes the windshield. The minimal windshield we had on it before was not very good. We would like to see other options for windshields for the Firestar / Firefly, hopefully this next time we can come up with something that works better to keep the wind buffet in your face to a minimum.
Thanks - Richard & David

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:35 am    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

Hey Richard I’ll be at my hanger tomorrow. I’ll take some of the latest and greatest pictures and get you some rough and dirty dimensions. I’d like to post them with Facebook messenger but there so many “Richard Pike’s “ that I don’t know who to send them too?

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On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:53 PM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron(at)charter.net> wrote:



Yeah, that's what I had in mind! Do you have any other pictures of how it latches in place at the front and the back?

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Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

[quote="gdhelton(at)gmail.com"] I’d like to post them with Facebook messenger but there so many “Richard Pike’s “ that I don’t know who to send them too?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:47 am    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

That’ll work. Thank.

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[quote="gdhelton(at)gmail.com"] I’d like to post them with Facebook messenger but there so many “Richard Pike’s “ that I don’t know who to send them too?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:06 pm    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

This is what I used on my FS. Normal windshield with a faring. Worked
good. Could wear a base ball cap and my eye glasses without goggles.
Before, the wind hit me right in the face.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

Say if you guys have some good photos of windshields and/or latches please post them here. I'll be trying to figure this one out on mine before long.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:53 am    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

"Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>

Say if you guys have some good photos of windshields and/or latches please post them here. 
I'll be trying to figure this one out on mine before long.

Thanks, Jerry

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Me too. I installed a fixed windshield after speaking with John H, and it is indeed more comfortable, but getting in and out of the aircraft is quite a spectacle. If anyone has details of a good safe latching system that allows easy entry/exit I'd love to see it.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:51 am    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

Hi Jerry. I sent a few pictures to Richard Pike yesterday. Maybe he’ll share. It’s very much like my flexing MKII was . It uses a simple old fashion screen door locking latch with great.

George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan

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Say if you guys have some good photos of windshields and/or latches please post them here. I'll be trying to figure this one out on mine before long.

Thanks, Jerry




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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:21 am    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

That’s “works great “. This last picture shows it held open by the two piece prop rod which also locks the front of the down.

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[quote] On Sep 10, 2018, at 8:51 AM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jerry. I sent a few pictures to Richard Pike yesterday. Maybe he’ll share. It’s very much like my flexing MKII was . It uses a simple old fashion screen door locking latch with great.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:58 am    Post subject: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

Thanks for the photos. Mine currently has "none" so the options are open. Looks like a nice clean install!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:13 am    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

Dang George, that looks pretty simple and slick! The system you use LOOKS just like the system that Larry C described to me on his FS2. Nice clean installation.

I am ASSUMING that you swing the windshield over and "plug in" the front pin, then latch the rear pin? Or do you have a double-pin latch that engages both front and rear pins at the same time?

Bill Berle
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On Mon, 9/10/18, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, September 10, 2018, 6:20 AM

That’s “works great “. This last
picture shows it held open by the two piece prop rod which
also locks the front of the down.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2018, at 8:51 AM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jerry. I sent a few pictures to Richard Pike
yesterday. Maybe he’ll share. It’s very much like my
flexing MKII was . It uses a simple old fashion screen door
locking latch with great.
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> George H.
> Firestar
> Mesick, Michigan
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>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:57 AM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
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<12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
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>> Say if you guys have some good photos of
windshields and/or latches please post them here.  I'll
be trying to figure this one out on mine before long.
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>> Thanks, Jerry
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:38 am    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

The latch and prop are what holds everything down and locked. The prop rod simply lays down and inserts into the little chronology steel fitting on the nose pod. It’s hinged at the rear latch by a piece of plastic fuel line.
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On Sep 10, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:



Dang George, that looks pretty simple and slick! The system you use LOOKS just like the system that Larry C described to me on his FS2. Nice clean installation.

I am ASSUMING that you swing the windshield over and "plug in" the front pin, then latch the rear pin? Or do you have a double-pin latch that engages both front and rear pins at the same time?

Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

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On Mon, 9/10/18, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, September 10, 2018, 6:20 AM

That’s “works great “. This last
picture shows it held open by the two piece prop rod which
also locks the front of the down.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2018, at 8:51 AM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jerry. I sent a few pictures to Richard Pike
yesterday. Maybe he’ll share. It’s very much like my
flexing MKII was . It uses a simple old fashion screen door
locking latch with great.
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> George H.
> Firestar
> Mesick, Michigan
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:57 AM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
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<12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
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>> Say if you guys have some good photos of
windshields and/or latches please post them here. I'll
be trying to figure this one out on mine before long.
>>
>> Thanks, Jerry
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>> Read this topic online here:
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:39 am    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

The canopy rail on the entry side is a piece of aluminum U channel that measures 3/4” on the inside so it just fits over the cockpit frame rail. It has some foam window strip to keep from damaging the fabric. The Lexan sandwiches between the U channel and piece of aluminum L channel. I used 8-32 screws that I cut down so they wouldn’t damage the fabric also. I cut most of one side of L channel down to just make a small entry handle. The hinge side( just flexes open) is a piece of aluminum L channel with the Lexan sandwiched between it and 3/4” aluminum strip with aluminum rivets.You use the prop rod during entry then fold it down to attach it on to the aluminum channel with a small piece of Velcro then flex it so it slides into that little steel fitting at the nose pod. That holds everything in place. The original Firestar is a lot harder to get into then the Firestar II.

I got all this aluminum channel from the Home Depot.
I’ve got 145 hours on this system so far. The only down side is it shakes a lot when taxiing on rough grass. It’s smooth as glass in flight. If you want to see it in action go to my YouTube channel and check out some of my videos.
curiousgdh is the channel.
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan

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On Sep 10, 2018, at 2:38 PM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

The latch and prop are what holds everything down and locked. The prop rod simply lays down and inserts into the little chronology steel fitting on the nose pod. It’s hinged at the rear latch by a piece of plastic fuel line.
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dang George, that looks pretty simple and slick! The system you use LOOKS just like the system that Larry C described to me on his FS2. Nice clean installation.
>
> I am ASSUMING that you swing the windshield over and "plug in" the front pin, then latch the rear pin? Or do you have a double-pin latch that engages both front and rear pins at the same time?
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
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> On Mon, 9/10/18, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, September 10, 2018, 6:20 AM
>
> That’s “works great “. This last
> picture shows it held open by the two piece prop rod which
> also locks the front of the down.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 8:51 AM, George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jerry. I sent a few pictures to Richard Pike
> yesterday. Maybe he’ll share. It’s very much like my
> flexing MKII was . It uses a simple old fashion screen door
> locking latch with great.
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>> George H.
>> Firestar
>> Mesick, Michigan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 4:57 AM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> <12flybellaire(at)gmail.com>
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>>> Say if you guys have some good photos of
> windshields and/or latches please post them here. I'll
> be trying to figure this one out on mine before long.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jerry
>>>
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>>> Read this topic online here:
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:34 pm    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

Here are some picts of my "old man easy access" wind screens that I have made on my various Kolb planes over the years.
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Arty Trost



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:17 pm    Post subject: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

Gorgeous planes, Gene.
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon


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On Monday, September 10, 2018, 1:42:59 PM PDT, Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> wrote:




Here are some picts of my "old man easy access" wind screens that I have made on my various Kolb planes over the years.
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Richard Pike



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield Reply with quote

Eugene: do your flip up canopies latch in the back, or does gravity just hold them in place?

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