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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:29 am    Post subject: Tooling up Reply with quote

Have made the decision to build an RV-10 starting late fall or winter. Looking for some guidance on getting tooled up to begin. Laundry list of tools needed, suppliers, and particularly the best quality pneumatic tools that most are using. Rivet gun, drill, squeezer, dimpler, hoses, swivels, etc. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:50 am    Post subject: Tooling up Reply with quote

Look at planetools.com or cleavelandtool. They both have good kits that cover most of what you need.
Do a few searches regarding the drdt-2 to see if you want that or the standard c-frame.

Highly recommend a pneumatic squeezer but you can get through without it.

Welcome to the club and good luck on the project!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:55 am    Post subject: Tooling up Reply with quote

You'll get some good advice here. 

Two general things I'd say:
  1. I bought one of the 'kits' offered by several vendors.  I found it to be a real good starting point, especially for the many small bits of hardware required.  Saves a lot of time and they sent generally good stuff.  (I'd be specific but I forgot who and don't know if they are still around)
  2. I wrote this on another blog and think its a great thing if able to do:

    "Generally speaking, one of the most informative events during my build was attending a builder class where they had 3 or 4 different brands or styles of each tool, including squeezers, guns, countersinks, cleco pliers, etc. we were encouraged to try each of them.  It was a real eye opener in the sense that each student had strong preferences for one flavor or a another and those preferences were all over the map. Some of us even decided that certain tools weren’t needed at all. Difficult to replicate but something to think about."

    In other words, there are few 'best tools', but a lot of good ones.  Personal preference is a big deal in some categories like hand squeezers, pnuematic tools in general, and some optional tools like pneumatic cleco guns.
Enjoy the build!


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:12 am    Post subject: Tooling up Reply with quote

In retrospect, I think the decision on C-frame vs DRDT2 comes down to help. If you plan to be solo most of the time, the DRDT is the way to go. If you have a helper you can save yourself a few hundred dollars and go with the C-Frame….and save the gym membership fee too.

I use ATS- Aircraft tool and supply for many of my tools as well as cleaveland and brown for some.

Get the plans on the flash drive from Van’s read what tools you will need and start making a list. Then you can compare the various tool dealers and keep the info in a spreadsheet. The kits are great; I just think they have tools that you may not need for 2 years or more in them. We all know you will need the basic stuff, airtank, lines, connections, drill, squeezer of some kind.

Airtank----spend a few dollars here. I am getting ready to upgrade yet once again and could have saved myself the time and money had I done it right the first time. Get a 2 stage, 25 or more gallon, oiled air pump and tank…either that or build a building way away from your workspace for the cheepo tank we can get at Harbor Freight.
Airlines and fittings---I got these on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Q759T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I love this hose!

Get plenty of the #40, #30 drill bits.


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Look at planetools.com or cleavelandtool. They both have good kits that cover most of what you need.
Do a few searches regarding the drdt-2 to see if you want that or the standard c-frame.

Highly recommend a pneumatic squeezer but you can get through without it.

Welcome to the club and good luck on the project!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: Tooling up Reply with quote

John Jessen bought a DRDT-2 when it first came out and I promptly put it in my hangar. Best move I ever made. Soon, I'm sure he'll want it back. It's a fantastic tool. Build a carpet covered table around it and you won't regret it. No banging noises and you can do it without an assistant.

Pneumatic squeezer with multiple "heads". I miss AVERY tools, but, I'm sure someone has stepped up with an RV builder's kits that's more than adequate.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:47 am    Post subject: Tooling up Reply with quote

I agree with everything that has been said here, and will add just a bit.

It is really helpful to have a good woodcutting bandsaw with the finest toothed metal cutting blade you can get.  There are a lot of cuts in aluminum to be made and this will help immensely.

Also, although pricey, I found the tungsten bucking bars (I have two) to be literally worth their weight in gold.  They are small and able to fit places where steel bars simply can’t work.  I would not consider building an RV without them.

Jack Phillips
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Having escaped Fiberglass Hell, I now find myself in Plexiglas Hell – trimming windows and windshield

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In retrospect, I think the decision on C-frame vs DRDT2 comes down to help. If you plan to be solo most of the time, the DRDT is the way to go. If you have a helper you can save yourself a few hundred dollars and go with the C-Frame….and save the gym membership fee too.

I use ATS- Aircraft tool and supply for many of my tools as well as cleaveland and brown for some.

Get the plans on the flash drive from Van’s read what tools you will need and start making a list. Then you can compare the various tool dealers and keep the info in a spreadsheet. The kits are great; I just think they have tools that you may not need for 2 years or more in them. We all know you will need the basic stuff, airtank, lines, connections, drill, squeezer of some kind.

Airtank----spend a few dollars here. I am getting ready to upgrade yet once again and could have saved myself the time and money had I done it right the first time. Get a 2 stage, 25 or more gallon, oiled air pump and tank…either that or build a building way away from your workspace for the cheepo tank we can get at Harbor Freight.
Airlines and fittings---I got these on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Q759T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I love this hose!

Get plenty of the #40, #30 drill bits.


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Look at planetools.com or cleavelandtool. They both have good kits that cover most of what you need.
Do a few searches regarding the drdt-2 to see if you want that or the standard c-frame.

Highly recommend a pneumatic squeezer but you can get through without it.

Welcome to the club and good luck on the project!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:51 am    Post subject: Tooling up Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I did a frame myself welding the quarter pipes and made a bracket which has the same two holes, that are in the jokes for the manual and pneumatic squeezer.
Did cost 90€ steel pipe, some work on the lathe and the milling mashine Surprised)
Made the arms a little longer to reach all down to the stabilizer leading edge....
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The bottom plate is normal steel, sanded and polished shiny, then put some car wax for protection.
regards
Peter Aringer Started Dec 2015 no.41761
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Look at planetools.com or cleavelandtool. They both have good kits that cover most of what you need.
Do a few searches regarding the drdt-2 to see if you want that or the standard c-frame.

Highly recommend a pneumatic squeezer but you can get through without it.

Welcome to the club and good luck on the project!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:40 pm    Post subject: Tooling up Reply with quote

I did my entire build with a pneumatic squeezer and occasionally
borrowed a hand squeezer. In retrospect, I would spend less on the
pneumatic by getting a used or rebuilt one from Brown or others, and get
a good hand squeezer that uses the same yokes. A hand squeezer has much
better control and finesse, while the pneumatic is better for multiple
rivets. The DRDT-2 is a fantastic tool, especially if building at home
and not wanting the noise of hammering on a C-frame.

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John Jessen bought a DRDT-2 when it first came out and I promptly put it in my hangar. Best move I ever made. Soon, I'm sure he'll want it back. It's a fantastic tool. Build a carpet covered table around it and you won't regret it. No banging noises and you can do it without an assistant.

Pneumatic squeezer with multiple "heads". I miss AVERY tools, but, I'm sure someone has stepped up with an RV builder's kits that's more than adequate.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:11 pm    Post subject: Tooling up Reply with quote

I should second the recommendation of a tungsten bucking bar. Very rarely used any other bucking bar. Some form of metal cutting bandsaw is very helpful, as is the combination belt/circular sander Harbor Freight offers.
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I did my entire build with a pneumatic squeezer and occasionally
borrowed a hand squeezer. In retrospect, I would spend less on the
pneumatic by getting a used or rebuilt one from Brown or others, and get
a good hand squeezer that uses the same yokes. A hand squeezer has much
better control and finesse, while the pneumatic is better for multiple
rivets. The DRDT-2 is a fantastic tool, especially if building at home
and not wanting the noise of hammering on a C-frame.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:08 pm    Post subject: Tooling up Reply with quote

I purchased all my tools from Cleaveland Tools and harbor freight. The tungsten bucking bar is worth the price. The fabrication of spar caps and others are easily accomplished with a band saw, belt and rotary sander, scotchbrite wheel, and drill press. You can see the tools I use atHttps:/www.rv10airplaneadventures.com
Finishing the rudder tomorrow. Good luck with your build!
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I did my entire build with a pneumatic squeezer and occasionally
borrowed a hand squeezer. In retrospect, I would spend less on the
pneumatic by getting a used or rebuilt one from Brown or others, and get
a good hand squeezer that uses the same yokes. A hand squeezer has much
better control and finesse, while the pneumatic is better for multiple
rivets. The DRDT-2 is a fantastic tool, especially if building at home
and not wanting the noise of hammering on a C-frame.

On 9/26/2018 10:57 AM, BrBreck wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "BrBreck" <BBreckenridge(at)gmail.com (BBreckenridge(at)gmail.com)>
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> John Jessen bought a DRDT-2 when it first came out and I promptly put it in my hangar. Best move I ever made. Soon, I'm sure he'll want it back. It's a fantastic tool. Build a carpet covered table around it and you won't regret it. No banging noises and you can do it without an assistant.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Tooling up Reply with quote

Hi

I suggest a belt sander be added to the tool mix. It is very handy when cleaning up straight cuts on parts.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:16 am    Post subject: Tooling up Reply with quote

I'd recommend the cleveland kit as a good starting point.  Mine came with a #10 countersink bit which isn't needed, but you will need a #12, which isn't included.I've used the avery squeezer and the cleveland main squeeze--I think the cleveland main squeeze is worth the extra money.
I would not recommend the sioux rivet gun.  I bought the 3x and while it hasn't stopped working, it leaks and is very inconsistent.  I also have an ingersoll-rand AVC 12 (roughly a 2x gun), and I love it.
The 1/4" sioux air drill, on the other hand, is fantastic.  I know some people just use a cordless, but I think my arm would have fallen off by now.
Get a real angle drill, I don't know how people were able to do the build with one of the adapters.
In addition to the kit: Get a giant box of the maroon scotch brite.  I also got an entire set of numbered drill bits because every now and again the plans call for a random size that's not in the RV kits.  Two microstop countersink cages are better than one because you're always switching between #30 and #40.  I've also wound up with a large selection of rivet sets because I found that the kit supplied ones only work for 98% of the rivets.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Tooling up Reply with quote

Lot of good information. Thanks to everyone who took the time to post. The more info the better.

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