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jschroeder(at)perigee.net
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft

Brian -



I have a Motion 1400 Tablet and plan to fly above the company's max  

altitude of 10,000 ft. Do you have a source for these boxes?



Thanks,



John

On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:27:03 -0400, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak(at)lloyd.com> wrote:



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		   Put the drive(s) in a sealed box that will hold sea-level pressure. A  

 USB or firewire interface will ensure youdon't have too many wires to  

 route out of your box.

  Brian Lloyd


	


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N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft

I'm trying to make a USB flash drive work for everything on a TC10000 

single-board computer.  So far, it's been difficult to get the OS to 

boot from a flash drive, but if we can get that working, you won't 

need a conventional disk drive at all.



Dave Morris

At 03:05 PM 8/6/2006, you wrote:

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<jschroeder(at)perigee.net>



Brian -



I have a Motion 1400 Tablet and plan to fly above the company's max

altitude of 10,000 ft. Do you have a source for these boxes?



Thanks,



John

On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:27:03 -0400, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak(at)lloyd.com> wrote:



>Put the drive(s) in a sealed box that will hold sea-level pressure. A

>USB or firewire interface will ensure youdon't have too many wires to

>route out of your box.

>  Brian Lloyd



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jschroeder(at)perigee.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft

Dave -



What software and OS are you using? Mine is Windows XP Tablet and Voyager  

- both are the all-time memory hogs.



Thanks,



John Schroeder

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:18:39 -0500, Dave N6030X <N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com>  

wrote:



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 <N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com>



 I'm trying to make a USB flash drive work for everything on a TC10000  

 single-board computer.

N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft

There are something like 500 guys on a Yahoo eGroup 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyGlassCockpit/ that started in 2001 

discussing ideas for open source EFIS and other glass cockpit 

instruments.  We sort of let things go recently, but the archives 

there have a lot of interesting stuff.

I've tried Win98 and WinXP.  I'm sure there's a way to make either a 

CompactFlash or USB Jumpdrive based system with no moving parts with 

the tiny Epia computers, but have not gotten it to work yet.  The 

Fujitsu 1200 and 2300 Stylistic tablet computer radiated too much 

into the aircraft band to be usable.

Dave Morris

At 03:42 PM 8/6/2006, you wrote:

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<jschroeder(at)perigee.net>

Dave -

What software and OS are you using? Mine is Windows XP Tablet and Voyager

- both are the all-time memory hogs.

Thanks,

John Schroeder

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:18:39 -0500, Dave N6030X <N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com>

wrote:

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><N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com>

>

>I'm trying to make a USB flash drive work for everything on a TC10000

>single-board computer.

brian

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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft

On Aug 6, 2006, at 4:05 PM, John Schroeder wrote:



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 <jschroeder(at)perigee.net>



 Brian -



 I have a Motion 1400 Tablet and plan to fly above the company's max  

 altitude of 10,000 ft. Do you have a source for these boxes?


	


I think that Pomona has machined boxes with gaskets that may be sealed.



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jschroeder(at)perigee.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft

Dave -



So far, the Motion Tablet does not radiate in any way that I can see in a  

C172. It might be a different story in the Lancair ES when we start  

flying. I have an article from a magazine on how to make a thumb drive for  

booting on any XP computer. I might get some time to see if I can make it  

work on a 2 gb drive. I have two USB ports and with two 2 gb drives it may  

work - if I can slim down Windows XP & Voyager. Voyager need access to the  

internet for planning, but I can do that on the internal hard drive,  

transfer the file to the thumb drive and fly it that way. Any  

ideas/thoughts would help.



John Schroeder

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 16:25:30 -0500, Dave N6030X <N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com>  

wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com>



 There are something like 500 guys on a Yahoo eGroup  

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyGlassCockpit/ that started in 2001  

 discussing ideas for open source EFIS and other glass cockpit  

 instruments.  We sort of let things go recently, but the archives there  

 have a lot of interesting stuff.



 I've tried Win98 and WinXP.  I'm sure there's a way to make either a  

 CompactFlash or USB Jumpdrive based system with no moving parts with the  

 tiny Epia computers, but have not gotten it to work yet.  The Fujitsu  

 1200 and 2300 Stylistic tablet computer radiated too much into the  

 aircraft band to be usable.



 Dave Morris

bicyclop(at)pacbell.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft

John,



How's that Motion in daylight? Have you used Voyager in flight? How is

it?



Pax,



Ed Holyoke



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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft

Use an underwater photography box and install a valve to pump up the pressure to the required amount. The camera boxes seal well, and should be rated to several hundred feet, which should allow for significant pressure, but in the reverse direction, so testing will need to be done.

Dan 



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N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft

U/W photography equipment is designed to take 

high pressure on the outside.  They use O-rings, 

and the pressure differential acts to seat the 

o-ring better the higher the pressure.  I imagine 

if the high pressure were on the inside instead, 

they might not work as well, unless you could 

make the exterior clamps really tight.



You might also try a Pelican case.  Those already 

have a rotating valve to equalize or seal off pressure differentials.



Dave Morris



At 10:59 AM 8/7/2006, you wrote:

[quote]

Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>



Use an underwater photography box and install a 

valve to pump up the pressure to the required 

amount. The camera boxes seal well, and should 

be rated to several hundred feet, which should 

allow for significant pressure, but in the 

reverse direction, so testing will need to be done.

Dan



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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Tablet & Laptop PC Use in Aircraft

For several years I have played with several computers and computer based programs in the cockpit to replace charts, approach plates, portable GPS and in cockpit weather.



There are some truths that cannot be violated. Unless you bluetooth and have a really big battery there will be too many wires no matter what you do. Blue tooth presents its own problems and does not totally eliminate wiring.



No current tablet/portable has excellent sunlight readability.



All the programs are resource hogs and often move slowly when you badly need fast.



They are windows based and prone to crash at the worst possible moment.



If you frequently go high ( . (low teens and above)you will gork the drive. Ask me how I know.



I have used Flitesoft, Vista, Truemap, Chartcase on HP TC 1100s, Motion M1300, and Sony U750.



While all are great programs and great machines they all suffer from the aformentioned problems.



If you put it in a pressurised case you still have the other problems plus a bulky case and more wiring and expense. Solid state hard drives are expensive if you want to run your computer as a computer in addition to it's flight duties.



My need was for weather, moving map, charts and plates. After all the above gyrations I settled on a Flight Cheetah 210 with a solid state drive.



It is a windows 2000 based unit that is skinnied down to only run the Truemap Software. It is fast and reliable and immune to altitude. It is readable in direct sunlight. It still has lots of wires but since it only runs aviation programs I hardwired it into the plane.



An alternative would be a 396/496 with a card reader tablet for plates.



Building a computer system into a pressurised case wil in the end cost as musc as a dedicated unit in the plane plus your notebook. It will just not work as well an will be a real PITA to set up and remove.

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