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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: forward slip in Firestar

Bob,



I've never flown a FS II but flew an early FS for quite a while and did 

forward slips in that on almost every landing because I like high 

approaches and it did not have flaps to help steepen the glide angle. 

It was not a problem at all. However, based on what I keep hearing on 

this list, the FS II and the early FS don't handle much like each 

other. Nose coming up when cross controlling is normal, to which you 

respond with nose down pitch. Not having enough rudder to bring the 

nose around opposite the aileron is not normal on any airplane I've 

flown. I've never flown an airplane that could not be slipped for 

steeper glide angle.



Thom in Buffalo

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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: forward slip in Firestar

www.members.aol.com/willuribe/slip.wmv

  

 Here is part of a video I took today performing 3 forward slips, I  started the slip at 5,000 feet MSL and held it until I was over the  runway.  There is no noticeable crab angle but check out the jaw string. I  dropped 1,000 fpm and the forward airspeed was 60 mph indicated.

  

 WARNING!!!  This is a 4.09 MB video so it could take a while  for dial-up users to view it.

  

 Enjoy,

 Will Uribe

 FireStar II N4GU

 El Paso, TX

 http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/

  

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Mike Schnabel

Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Posts: 114
Location: Manchester, TN

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:05 am Post subject: forward slip in Firestar

Will,

   

  Great video, and demonstration of a slip. What were the wind conditions? Much cross wind? Thanks for the informative demonstration.

   

  Mike S

  Manchester TN

  Firestar 2 503

   

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  Here is part of a video I took today performing 3 forward slips, I started the slip at 5,000 feet MSL and held it until I was over the runway.  There is no noticeable crab angle but check out the jaw string. I dropped 1,000 fpm and the forward airspeed was 60  [quote][b]

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:59 am Post subject: Re: forward slip in Firestar

Will,



Nice video. The yaw string tells it all. You are definitely slipping. Also, the crab angle my not be noticeable during the slip due to camera angle perhaps, but when you stop  slipping shortly before touchdown, the nose obviously comes around to a less yawed condition. Both of these are obvious in your videos.



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jimhefner

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Location: Tucson, AZ

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:52 am Post subject: Re: forward slip in Firestar

Will, nice video.  That looks similar to a forward slip in a Firefly.  The crab angle is not very noticeable compared to many GA planes.  I assumed it was caused by the pusher, high thrust angle, close proximity to rudder,  compared to the tractor configs, but it might be due to something else.  It's more like a side slip, but it does slip and allow you to loose altitude faster than normal or helps with cross wind landings.  With the big flaperons on a FF, you can loose altitude plenty fast so I generally didn't bother slipping for that.

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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: forward slip in Firestar

This winds were light and variable, not much of a quarterly  cross wind to speak off.

  

 In a message dated 8/27/2006 5:06:28 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  tnfirestar2(at)yahoo.com writes:

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   Great video, and demonstration of a slip. What were the wind    conditions? Much cross wind? Thanks for the informative demonstration.

    

   Mike S

   Manchester TN

   Firestar 2 503

    

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