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dean.psiropoulos(at)veriz
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

Excuse me Skylor but......WHO ARE YOU (or George Bush or Tony Blair or the

enviro wackos, etc) TO DECDIDE WHETHER I'M USING "EXCESS" ENERGY??  This

stupid argument (one of those lies told enough times that people now believe

it) REALLY STICKS IN MY CRAW.  Seventy years ago, in the 1930s, there were

people who said we'd run out of oil in 20 years, I believe the same argument

was ONE of the arguments used during the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and it's

now 33 years after that.  If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and

shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we

possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY!

WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!!  WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY

HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by mandating

"conservation" (postage stamp size cars that make us miserable on the road)

and by placing even more taxes on ourselves (you leftists realize this one

hurts the poor and fixed income people the most don't you, or does helping

the poor only consist of buying votes through the TRANSFER of wealth)?

Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much as

the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing

us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it!



Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away

just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy.  The politicians

and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new

energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially for

hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature run

its course and economics do the work? Look for all the oil we can find and

if it starts to run out, let the law of supply and demand drive up prices to

the point where the incentives are there to visit alternate energy sources

(we're fast approaching that point guys, without government "assistance" in

the form of higher taxes thank you very much, so get your money ready to

invest in alternate sources).  In the USA the enviro wackos are using

pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the

local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd have

if we could explore everywhere.  If you feel so guilty about using so much

oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling

cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to

pay the chiropracter. 



BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you.  I'm just trying to make a

point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest

groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been

trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive!

Dean Psiropoulos

RV-6A N197DM

Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does feel

it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may

be going to support radical Islam)!



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--------------Original message---------------

 	  Quote: 	
		   RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4(at)yahoo.com>


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   I do believe that if gas prices in the US have been as expensive as

Europe for the last 30 years, Americans my not be so complacent about

excess energy consumption.

mannanj(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I'm 

tired of being politically correct.  Drill for oil in ANWR.  Let the Carabou 

(sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). 

Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes.  As you said, 

Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves.  Thomas Jefferson 

wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how 

he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote 

for any encumbent political office holder.  (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.)



Mannan Thomason



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rv8ch

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 250
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

Warning: Off-topic rant!  Delete now!



 	  Quote: 	
		   now 33 years after that.  If we all bought tiny Honda Insights and

 shoehorned our American rear ends into them AND conserved as much as we

 possibly could....WE WOULD SAVE ONLY A FEW PERCENT OVER WHAT WE USE TODAY!


	


What do you mean by a few percent?



 	  Quote: 	
		   WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OIL!!!!!  WE WOULD STILL EVENTUALLY

 HAVE TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF ENERGY!!! So WHY prolong the agony by mandating


	


We're all going to die, eventually.  Why prolong the agony by continuing

to feed ourselves?



 	  Quote: 	
		   Don't get me wrong, I want to wean ourselves from Middle East oil as much as

 the next guy, I just don't think taxing the poor (or the rich) and forcing

 us all to buy micro size two seat cars is the way to do it!


	


After the 70's oil embargo, there were some pretty reasonable

requirements placed on auto suppliers to increase the average

mileage of their fleets.  This was working very well.

Unfortunately, Clinton suspended these requirements in exchange

for massive contributions from Detroit and the oil companies,

which of course helped the boom in SUV sales.  The trend was such

that by now, we would not have had to import oil from the middle east.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Don't kid yourself, the European's higher energy taxes aren't going away

 just because we find that magic source of unlimited energy.  The politicians

 and the "fun police" will just find new excuses to apply them to the new

 energy source (have you heard of the latest fad... a new tax especially for

 hybrid cars because they pay less in gasoline taxes). Why not let nature run

 its course and economics do the work? 


	


This is pretty clearly what will happen, since our various

governments can't see or plan beyond the next election.  If

we planned our lives like the various governments plan,

none of us would go to college, get training, invest for

retirement, or even get a job.  We'd just wake up in the

morning, scratch ourselves, and see what food we can find

laying around.



Personally, I'd prefer our government (an institution that

is supposedly acting in our name, the collective "we") try

to take some actions so that we don't have huge disruptions

in our lives and the economy if some far off source of oil

gets disrupted.  Some would argue that that's what's happening

with our massive spending on military might, but I'm not sure

that's the most efficient way to keep our economy running

smoothly.  I'd personally be happy to pay a bit more at

the pump so that kids don't have to be sent off to protect

middle east oil, but I'd never impose that on anyone else.



 	  Quote: 	
		   ...  In the USA the enviro wackos are using

 pollution and global warming scare tactics to artificially SUPPRESS the

 local supply of oil (and Coal and Natural Gas), who knows how much we'd have

 if we could explore everywhere.   ...


	


I'm not sure what you mean by "enviro wacko", but I know

most people want clean air for their children and grandchildren

to breath, and clean water for them to drink.   Requiring

that the production of oil, gas, and coal not contaminate our

air and water does not seem too extreme to me, and in actual

fact, does not add much to the cost of the final product.



Perhaps if the oil companies get their wish, and start

drilling half a mile off the beautiful Florida beaches

near your house, you'll see what we grew up with in

Texas.  Coming back into the house from the beach:

1) quick rinse to get sand and salt water off body;

2) five minutes with a Popsicle stick and turpentine

to get tar off of our feet.

Perhaps you Floridians will simply see this as part

of your sacrifice to keep oil supplies plentiful

and cheap.  I'm not sure the snowbirds will share

the sentiment.



Spend some time where we drill for and produce oil,

and perhaps you'll understand a bit better what the

"wackos" are saying.  Don't even begin to talk about

refineries, and what they do to the air and water.



 	  Quote: 	
		   If you feel so guilty about using so much

 oil, sell your RV (it only gets 20 MPG) AND your SUVs and try traveling

 cross country in an Insight, you'll need the money you get from the RV to

 pay the chiropracter. 

 

 BTW Skylor, this is NOT a personal attack on you.  I'm just trying to make a

 point and dispel some of that energy GUILT trip that the special interest

 groups, the politicians and the press (yes the press Charlie) have been

 trying to lay on ALL OF US since before I was old enough to drive!


	


I'm not sure they are trying make anyone feel guilty, but

trying to get others to:

1) respect oil as a limited resource;

2) understand that there are brave men and women overseas

right now laying their lives on the line so that we can have

"cheap" oil so that our economy continues to function;

3) realize there are people working in and living near oil

production facilities that are paying a price in

terms of their health and quality of life so that we can

have cheap oil.



It just seems a shame to waste it.  Use it, great, but

don't waste it.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Dean Psiropoulos

 RV-6A N197DM

 Uses as much oil as he wants and doesn't feel guilty about it (but does feel

 it in the wallet like everyone else and does NOT like the fact that it may

 be going to support radical Islam)!


	


Some would argue that our thirst for middle east oil has

actually created radical Islam.  I'm not so sure, but I

doubt sending those guys billions a year is a good thing.



Again, apologies to all for the off-topic rant!  



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Mickey Coggins

http://www.rv8.ch/

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1706
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:40 am Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil 

sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 

million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the 

reserves of the whole middle east there.



Mannan J. Thomason wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I'm 

 tired of being politically correct.  Drill for oil in ANWR.  Let the Carabou 

 (sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). 

 Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes.  As you said, 

 Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves.  Thomas Jefferson 

 wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how 

 he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote 

 for any encumbent political office holder.  (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.)

 

 Mannan Thomason

 

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Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:00 am Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

And we have over 200 years worth of oil right here locked up in the oil

shale.



Bruce

www.glasair.org

 



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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: Re:

Another political rant delete now

There is always a trade off.



The cleaner the environment the higher the costs.



The safer the world the higher the cost.



Unfortunately everytime the govt raises taxes for clean and safe only 3% goes to clean and safe, 60% to pay lifer govt administrators and the balance is transferred into social programs for the undeserving  so they will continue to vote for incumbents.



Our government clearly plans ahead at least to the point where congress critters and senators are vested in their pensions and then to the next election. They do not represent us we etc. They only represent themselves.



I would prefer to regress to where I could wake up in the morning, scratch my balls, and go hunt for food and gas and whatever.



At least in that scenario the energetic, the motivated, the hard working could obtain what they deserve and keep the fruits of their labor.



One day our gas prices will be like those in Europe, there will be no wealthy entrepeneurs, 80% of the population will work for or depend on the government. No general aviation no SUVs no clean air no clean beaches just an oppressive government that consumes everything.



At that time we will all be envious of the wealthy capitalist entrepaneurs in China and their healthy vibrant free market economy. We will also be happy to work in jobs outsourced by the chinese to the US.



"Hi my name is Milt this call may be recorded for quality purpose, I am sorry my Chinese is so poor how may I help you with your computer problem>"



I'm with Dean. Let the free market do it's job. Relying on the Govt will turn the entire nation into dependent politically correct nambi pambi's.



George Orwell was clarevoyant.



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rocketbob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:42 am Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

I drive a "postagestamp" 50mpg diesel that runs off of 20% soybean oil,

simply because I decided that 1. gas is likely never going to be cheap

again, 2. I don't like to be wasteful and 3. I want to do my part in

avoiding dependence on foreign oil.  I fill up at the local farm bureau, and

100% of the non-soybean portion (80%) of the diesel fuel I use comes from

oil wells in S. Illinois and Indiana.  I called the refinery to find out.  I

now use less than one-third of the fuel I used before for my daily commute,

and the savings for me has been in the thousands per year.  I commute just

as confortably as I do in my SUV, it gets me from point A to point B just as

comfortably as anything else.  My rear end fits in it just fine.



My new home which I built on an airpark is built with R-26 SIP insulated

panels and has R-60 insulation in the ceiling.  My heating bills are half of

what my neighbor pays, and his home is significantly smaller in square

footage.  To build the house in an energy-efficient manner really didn't

cost any more than it would a conventionally-built stick frame house.



When I add all this up the money that stays in my pocket is in the

neighborhood of $5000/year for me.  I'm by no means an enviro-wacko or

left-leaning in ideology, but I sure as heck don't want my money ending up

in the pockets of jihadis.



Regards,

Bob Japundza

RV-6 flying, F1 under const.

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low pass

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 32
Location: Houston

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: Re:

Life is a made up of compromises... and the laws of thermodynamics.  You want to fly in an airplane, there will be waste and byproduct produced from its use.  



As for petrochem/industrial pollution, I can only speak for the US petrochem industry in which I worked for 17 years.  This group has made significant strides over the last 20 years.  There still could be improvements in some areas, but much greater emission reduction requirements and we will be pricing ourselves right out of business due to diminishing returns *and* the fact that (third world) Mexico can produce the same products cheaper while spewing their waste right into the Southwestern US air flow.



Anyone suggestion that the environmental compliance capital spending doesn't add to the cost of production and processing is really fooling themselves.  Who pays for the $BILLIONS spent on NOx reduction, low sulfur diesel, etc, etc. projects?  The EPA Fairies??  



I have spent time near (US) petroleum production sites.  In the US essentially no waste or byproduct leaves the local containment.  The impact is essentially nill.  



Tar in the surf is both naturally occurring and, unfortunately, sometimes the result of spills.  Which got on your feet?



Remember the Valdez natural disaster?  Would "kill-off all fish and wildlife for 20-30 years!!" While a stupid mistake and a terrible mess, nature reclaimed the area to a near pre-accident state in only a few years.  And biologists have determined that those species not back to pre-spill conditions may have experienced *natural* fluctuations in their conditions.



Last, proposing "fair" use of energy is only something right out of the Communist Manifesto.  Let the markets decide.



BTW - to make up for my "overuse" of fuel for my RV-8, I try and drive my XV1100 (motorcycle) wherever I can.     



2 cents



Bryan Jones

shempdowling2(at)earthlin
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

Dean,



If you havent read "State of Fear", go get a copy.  I think you'll enjoy it.



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chuck515tigger(at)yahoo.c
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada !   We need that oil...  errr, ahhh  I mean,  

  We need to get rid of that repressive regime, liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!!



Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:

  



Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil 

sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 

million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the 

reserves of the whole middle east there.



Mannan J. Thomason wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm 

 tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou 

 (sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). 

 Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, 

 Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson 

 wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how 

 he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote 

 for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.)

 

 Mannan Thomason

 

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rv7(at)b4.ca
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

On 14:35:44 2006-01-24 Chuck <chuck515tigger(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada !   We need that oil...  errr,

 ahhh  I mean,   We need to get rid of that repressive regime,

 liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!!


	


Those unable to remember history are doomed to repeat it.  Canada has

already been invaded by the US, a number of times, in the early 1800's. 

None of them were successful.  



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-Rob

ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

 	  Quote: 	
		  Those unable to remember history are doomed to repeat it.  Canada has

already been invaded by the US, a number of times, in the early 1800's.

None of them were successful.  


	


Or once we got there we decided that we did not want to stay   

I suspect that we invaded in the wrong place.  Had we tried British

Columbia we would have stayed.



Ron Lee



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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

Now that's talking like a true Patriot! By the way, I'm sure it'll be ok 

to listen in on phone conversations to Canada after we've invaded, right?

(obligatory  )

Chuck wrote:

[quote]

Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada !   We need that oil...  errr, ahhh  I mean,  

  We need to get rid of that repressive regime, liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!!

Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:

Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil 

sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 

million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the 

reserves of the whole middle east there.

Mannan J. Thomason wrote:

>

>

>Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm 

>tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou 

>(sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). 

>Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, 

>Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson 

>wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how 

>he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote 

>for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.)

>

>Mannan Thomason

>

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lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

What makes anyone think the bunch in D.C could get that right either? 

  They are too lazy to have a plan B.

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Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:  

Now that's talking like a true Patriot! By the way, I'm sure it'll be ok 

to listen in on phone conversations to Canada after we've invaded, right?

(obligatory  )

Chuck wrote:

[quote]

Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada ! We need that oil... errr, ahhh I mean, 

 We need to get rid of that repressive regime, liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!!

Kelly McMullen wrote:

Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil 

sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 

million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the 

reserves of the whole middle east there.

Mannan J. Thomason wrote:

>

>

>Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm 

>tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou 

>(sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). 

>Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, 

>Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson 

>wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how 

>he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote 

>for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.)

>

>Mannan Thomason

>

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chuck515tigger(at)yahoo.c
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

Well of course !    Once they been freed like us, then our government will be obligated to monitor their privacy just like us.  I mean ain't that why we pay our taxes ?

Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:  

Now that's talking like a true Patriot! By the way, I'm sure it'll be ok 

to listen in on phone conversations to Canada after we've invaded, right?

(obligatory  )

Chuck wrote:

[quote]

Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada ! We need that oil... errr, ahhh I mean, 

 We need to get rid of that repressive regime, liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!!

Kelly McMullen wrote:

Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil 

sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 

million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the 

reserves of the whole middle east there.

Mannan J. Thomason wrote:

>

>

>Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm 

>tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou 

>(sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). 

>Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, 

>Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson 

>wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how 

>he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote 

>for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.)

>

>Mannan Thomason

>

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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

My wife just pointed out a much better reason to invade Canada. We are 

running out of affordable prescription drugs here.



(Of course, the drug companies & insurance companies are doing just fine 

with Administration support. How many have had to run the new Medicare 

prescription drug gauntlet?)



Sherman Butler wrote:



[quote]



  What makes anyone think the bunch in D.C could get that right either? 

  They are too lazy to have a plan B.

  

   

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Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:  



Now that's talking like a true Patriot! By the way, I'm sure it'll be ok 

to listen in on phone conversations to Canada after we've invaded, right?



(obligatory  )



Chuck wrote:



  



>

>

>Yeaaaa ha Boys, lets invade Canada ! We need that oil... errr, ahhh I mean, 

>We need to get rid of that repressive regime, liberate those oppressed people and put in Democracy !!!

>

>Kelly McMullen wrote:

>

>

>Actually for those that saw 60 minutes Sunday, reporting on the tar oil 

>sands in Alberta, they supposedly are already producing close to 1 

>million barrels a day and ramping up. Claims there are 8 times the 

>reserves of the whole middle east there.

>

>Mannan J. Thomason wrote:

>    

>

>>

>>

>>Yea Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell em' like it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm 

>>tired of being politically correct. Drill for oil in ANWR. Let the Carabou 

>>(sp?) adapt. (Like the deer I have to dodge every night on the way home). 

>>Alternate energy will surface as the oil supply depletes. As you said, 

>>Governments will find a way to tax that too as it evolves. Thomas Jefferson 

>>wrote that Governments should be overthrown every 20 years. I'm not sure how 

>>he meant that. I would think that at least he meant that we shouldn't vote 

>>for any encumbent political office holder. (Chapaquidic Teddy for example.)

>>

>>Mannan Thomason

>>

>>DO NOT ARCHIVE

>>

>>

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jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

Someone once told me a joke...You have 3 types of people who worry about the

future....



The technologist who does not worry because he think that tomorrows

technology will solve all our problems....



The conspiracy theorist who does nothing but worry as he thinks the whole

world is out to get him....



And the Americans who do not care about anything as long as the future

always have a big cup holder in the right place...



I also know one about the definition of hell based on a Englishman, a

Frenchman and a Italian ...but that is for another day..



Have a good weekend everyone and happy building !! (I am definitely going to

fit a cup holed in my RV



Jan

RV6



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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

<snip>

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 I also know one about the definition of hell based on a Englishman, a

 Frenchman and a Italian ...but that is for another day..

 

<snip>
	




Hey, I know that one but I heard it with a fighter pilot, a Russian 

nurse and the Pope.



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Vanremog(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:07 am Post subject: "Excess" Energy use!

In a message dated 1/27/2006 3:38:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  

jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk writes:



Someone  once told me a joke...You have 3 types of people who worry about  the

future....



The technologist who does not worry because he think  that tomorrows

technology will solve all our problems....



The  conspiracy theorist who does nothing but worry as he thinks the whole

world  is out to get him....



And the Americans who do not care about anything  as long as the future

always have a big cup holder in the right  place...

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Some of us also need a Starbuck's Venti Iced Mocha to put in it.

 

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:38 am Post subject: Re:

 	  Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote: 	
		  

 

Some of us also need a Starbuck's Venti Iced Mocha to put in it.

 

Do not archive unless future anthropologists need this  information to 

analyze our downfall. 

 

GV (RV-6A  N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 771hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) 	




Wait Wait please archive I am already starting the analysis.

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Milt

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