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Nick(at)Scholtes1.com
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 Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: Buying a KitFox, First Question: Handling of IV-1050 vs. Ha |
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Hi KitFoxers!
I've posted to the list a few times in the last few weeks, but here's my
background again: I'm an "old fart" CFI who teaches on weekends and
evenings over at the local FBO, just for fun (not trying to build hours
to be an airline pilot, like all the young kids do). I teach tailwheel
in the Citabria and Decathlon and others.
I want to buy an airplane, I don't want to build one. But, the KitFox
has some unique qualities (STOL, folding wings) that make it much more
feasible for my situation than a Cub or Citabria or whatever. So, I'm
looking to purchase a KitFox Model IV, and basically I want it to be as
much like the airplanes I'm used to as it can be.
This weekend, I went to look at my first KitFox, and this has raised a
bunch of questions. I'll ask each question in a separate email, so they
"thread" better. So here's the first one:
-- The KitFox I went to look at is a Model IV-1050. I read somewhere
that there were significant changes to the vertical surfaces on the
IV-1200 vs. the IV-1050.
I was very "unimpressed" with how the IV-1050 handled in yaw, it sure
seems to lack yaw stability. So, how big of a difference is there, in
handling, between the IV-1050 and the IV-1200? Is it a big, noticable
difference, or a tiny little difference?
Thanks!
Nick Scholtes
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dave
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: Buying a KitFox, First Question: Handling of IV-1050 vs. Ha |
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If you think a IV has unimpressive ya then don't fly a Kitfox 1 or 2
The IV up has aileron differntial and cuts out alot of adverse yaw.
Overall I think the Kitfox IV has excellent yaw control at all speeds.
Dave
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Buying a KitFox, First Question: Handling of IV-1050 vs |
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| Quote: | | Overall I think the Kitfox IV has excellent yaw control at all speeds. |
Yaw 'stability' and yaw 'control' are different issues right?
-Luis Rodriguez
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Float Flyr
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: Buying a KitFox, First Question: Handling of IV-1050 vs. Ha |
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I have a model III-A on Aerocet 1100 floats. It also has a pretty good
ventral fin. There is a bit of adverse yaw nothing for a low time pilot
(me) to worry about. If I ever get around to it I'll build a slightly
larger rudder to allow for a bit more authority in a slip.
As for the elevator trim This is a 75+ mph aircraft. I find I only have to
keep a finger on the stick to keep things under control. I can also use a
slight bit of flaperon to drop my nose slightly if I want to. I really
don't see re-trimming for a climb... I don't get that high. I think I may
install a gap seal to allow for a bit more elevator authority close to the
stall.
I did blind rivet a small trim tab on my rudder to help keep make things
easier on my right foot.
I flew a Super Cub the other day (160hp) I liked the visceral feeling I got
when I opened the throttle but all in all I found the 'Fox to be more agile
but if anything, easier to control. P.S. I didn't have to re-trim the Cub
either.
Noel
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: Buying a KitFox, First Question: Handling of IV-1050 vs. Ha |
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I say its a matter of just using your feet for something besides standing on
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occom
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:08 am Post subject: Buying a KitFox, First Question: Handling of IV-1050 vs. Ha |
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My first flight in anything other than a Cessna was in a Challenger I was
considering buying. If you feel the Kitfox is a little under-ruddered, look
up a Challenger II owner. At first I was completely lost, the Challenger is
a rudder controlled aircraft , the adverse yaw is so pronounced that if you
carefully apply full left aileron and ignore the rudder (as you may do on
the Cessna) you will experience a level turn to the right. It took a short
while to start to coordinate properly. On landing the rudder is very active
on the Challenger. On the Kitfox, I expect a more conventional use of the
rudder but it should likely still be far more active than on the Cessna
trainer I currently rent.
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