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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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orchidman
Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 277
Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE
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 Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Not the best publicity... |
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True, however he is probably the best supporter we have in Congress and attends Oshkosh evey year. I think this was the RV he flew to Oshkosh this year.
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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: Not the best publicity... |
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Right, and he had it professionally built for him...
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:49 am Post subject: Not the best publicity... |
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I'm REALLY hoping not to launch another "built it myself" vs.
"paid to have it built" discussion, but I did just want to get
say one small thing....
This is one of my concerns regarding the purchase of "professionally
built" kitplanes. One has to wonder if people like Sen. Inhofe
who buys a kitplane can ever possibly maintain it to the degree
that the actual builder would. Is it possible that there was some
issue developing with his tailwheel that he might have noticed if
he was the actual builder? I mean, I built my RV-10, and that
doesn't make me an expert at all....but I do know every nut,
bolt, wire, and part that went into that airframe. I've already
run into that nosewheel spacer problem, but there's something to
be said with having such an intimate knowledge of an airplane.
I'm sure it's not that big of a deal, considering that still the
majority of people buy planes from factories, but I would think
that a builder has GOT to have more depth of understanding than
just about anyone including an A&P about his or her personal
airplane. And a diligent builder should have a pretty safe
plane after he works out all the initial squaks.
The other piece of the puzzle is participation in the community
like most everyone that reads this.....I just HAVE to believe
that in the end, this is a huge benefit to everyone's safety.
There's so much info here that would help a builder find and
fix problems before they occur. So personally I can't see
it getting much safer than this scenario:
A) Using a fantastic quality kit (like we are)
B) Building it to high standards
C) Built by the flying owner
D) Who participates regularly in a forum related to their aircraft
E) Who doesn't skimp on the ongoing maintenance cost
F) and uses good judgement in their flying
I would think this COULD be related to why we just saw that
article showing 21% reduction in homebuilt fatal accidents.
http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/061002_accident.html
We have lots of great participation in all RV groups.
Just wanted to make note of that.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
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Right, and he had it professionally built for him...
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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:34 am Post subject: Not the best publicity... |
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It' is Saturday morning here on the left coast and I just couldn't pass
on such a great topic over coffee. The Lancair guys often have pursued
professional build assist. The builders make a lot of bucks. Many kit
purchasers had no knowledge on B) or what to look for; many passed on
C); many did not know what was required (actual not legal) to comply
with E); then most of the accident statistics were directly related to
F).
Now don't get me wrong, most of these guys share far more information
than even on this site. They get really deep into the Why. They always
challenge an answer. They learn from their mistakes and the craft does
improve. However, a high number of low time pilots with lots of cash
were lured with the songs of sexy design and speed. They may not have
adequately maintained their thoroughbred, and the certainly did not
maintain high performance flight skills. The statistical results are in
with scores of builders having invested much more money (than any RV-10)
and yes of blood, sweat, tears, then being left with a dilemma. What do
builders do when the first 30% of the completed kits start becoming
statistics and skew the insurance costs for those not yet finished? We
have about 50 of 650 flying. 30% won't hit till around 150 to 250
complete.
The RV-10 is a most successful story on empennage kits sold. That is
only important to VAN. And he thanks you. Insurance cares about
actuaries. Now we have had two deaths (non flying related), three
divorces, six change of heart and countless other reasons for changes of
pursuit. Tim has posted a list which should be on every single builders
wall. A) thru F). There are currently three types of kit builds out
there skewing our insurance results. Those built and maintained by the
owner - X; Those paid to others to build and then maintained by the
owner /(selected mechanic) - Y; and then those purchased from someone
else - Z. Maybe the taskforce needs to grapple with three distinct
types of homebuilt (X,Y,Z) and correct maintenance issues at the
certification point for all three. Tell me again how maintenance is
done on Z. Demand better DAR reviews of builder knowledge before
delivery of the airworthiness. Focus an effort on builder/owners who
maintain their kit-builds cuz many mechanics won't touch the liability
and many are clearly not qualified beyond certificated TC aircraft. I
play one in real life and know the guys I work with.
Sen. Inhofe is now a unique statistic at this point. Thank goodness he
is not on the 51% Taskforce setting our policy. Oh gawd, tell me he
isn't.
You guys should always share your concerns, question the instructions,
seek sound practices and techniques, then maintain the quality that Tim
proposes in B and F). All of our insurance rates will be the better for
it. Always get a second opinion and be cautious when you are told "Just
build it". That assumes you know what you are doing in the first place
and the playing field is not level on everyone's knowledge on specific
tasks. The intent should be the builders Education and Enjoyment.
Yours!
"The tree of life is self pruning. Don't go out on a limb". Thanks Tim
and Dan.
John Cox - #40600 and part of the 600
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