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LarryRosen
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
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Location: Medford, NJ
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 Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: Quick Build (QB) Wings & Fuse - Steps Remaining |
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From my archives.
Robert G. Wright wrote:
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Bill, good luck on this one.
When my QB Wings and Fuse arrived, I went through the plans as
thoroughly as I thought I could, noting what was left to do, but
didn’t make a separate list. Even if I had, I’ve found lately that
I’ve had to go back and do things that I overlooked, and then go back
and fit the thing I was working on in the first place! It’s not bad
because it’s kind of a checks and balances, but it sure throws you off
of your rhythm when it happens.
For me, these incidental things just “get done” and I’ve not tried to
annotate them when I come across them, because it’s all in the name of
getting back to the original task. So a good, thorough, complete list
seems like pie in the sky. There are parts of the plans, however, that
do say for Slowbuild, do this, for QB, do this. That’s not everywhere
in the plans, but seems to be the author’s choice when he wrote that
section. Probably wouldn’t be hard for Vans to make a separate set of
plans since the QB stuff is done the same way every time, but then we
wouldn’t have the slow-build sections to reference in case we needed
to redo a part or needed to modify something to suit our own missions.
Rob Wright
#392 QB Wings
Tru-Trak Servos delivered yesterday!
Finishing kit delivery next Thurs!
Engine paid for awaiting delivery!
Need more money/time/arms!
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Reining
*Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:42 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Quick Build (QB) Wings & Fuse - Steps Remaining
Has anyone posted a detailed list of what has already been done, and
what remains to be done, for the QB wings and fuselage? Ideally
something that references the plans, such as: for the wings, sections
xx all complete, steps yy in section zz. need to be finished. I
checked the archive, but had no luck.
Bill Reining – going to OSH all week
Tail cone
40514
N475R reserved
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dmaib@me.com
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject: Quick Build (QB) Wings & Fuse - Steps Remaining |
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I called and asked Vans about such a list. The answer was that they
wanted the builder to have to read all of the plans as if it were a
slow build. This is to educate the builder about how the whole thing
is built. Seems like a reasonable idea, but I would still like to
know just what has and what has not been done on my QB.
David Maib
#40559
tailcone
On Oct 14, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Larry Rosen wrote:
From my archives.
Robert G. Wright wrote:
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Bill, good luck on this one.
When my QB Wings and Fuse arrived, I went through the plans as
thoroughly as I thought I could, noting what was left to do, but
didn’t make a separate list. Even if I had, I’ve found lately that
I’ve had to go back and do things that I overlooked, and then go
back and fit the thing I was working on in the first place! It’s
not bad because it’s kind of a checks and balances, but it sure
throws you off of your rhythm when it happens.
For me, these incidental things just “get done” and I’ve not tried
to annotate them when I come across them, because it’s all in the
name of getting back to the original task. So a good, thorough,
complete list seems like pie in the sky. There are parts of the
plans, however, that do say for Slowbuild, do this, for QB, do
this. That’s not everywhere in the plans, but seems to be the
author’s choice when he wrote that section. Probably wouldn’t be
hard for Vans to make a separate set of plans since the QB stuff is
done the same way every time, but then we wouldn’t have the slow-
build sections to reference in case we needed to redo a part or
needed to modify something to suit our own missions.
Rob Wright
#392 QB Wings
Tru-Trak Servos delivered yesterday!
Finishing kit delivery next Thurs!
Engine paid for awaiting delivery!
Need more money/time/arms!
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*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-
list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Reining
*Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:42 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Quick Build (QB) Wings & Fuse - Steps Remaining
Has anyone posted a detailed list of what has already been done,
and what remains to be done, for the QB wings and fuselage? Ideally
something that references the plans, such as: for the wings,
sections xx all complete, steps yy in section zz. need to be
finished. I checked the archive, but had no luck.
Bill Reining – going to OSH all week
Tail cone
40514
N475R reserved
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: Quick Build (QB) Wings & Fuse - Steps Remaining |
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Call Vans again. I spoke with one of the girls (Jessica?) about some kind
of flowchart that we were talking about on the list. She had an idea of
what I meant and sent it out to me hardcopy (I have no scanner. It's a
simple flowchart with all the sections in gray or white defining what the
builder still has to do. Problem is, there are still portions of the QB
stuff done in the Philippines that either was not completed or not completed
correctly. So in short, yes you really should sit out with your plans
beside your wings/fuse and go step by step. As agonizing as it is, at the
end of three hours when you know exactly what you still have to do, you can
realize that 3 hours of verifying is better than 3 or more months of
monotonous building. They still leave the funner stuff for you to do, and
it's still within the 51% spirit and letter of the law.
Rob Wright
#392 Buildus interruptus for sister's wedding...
Moving workshop to the hangar when I get back to join the tailcone to the
fuse!
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johngoodman
Joined: 18 Sep 2006
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Location: GA
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Quick Build (QB) Wings & Fuse - Steps Remaining |
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Tim & Larry,
I've got my QB wings coming and I've been looking at your wing stands. I only have one question before I start duplicating your designs:
Would it be better to create a wing stand/cradle for each wing? I noticed in one of the photos that one wing was stored overhead so work could be done on the other wing. I have the floor space and 2x4s are cheap in this business.
John
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LarryRosen
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
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Location: Medford, NJ
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: Quick Build (QB) Wings & Fuse - Steps Remaining |
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IMHO I do not see any reason for 2 stands with QB wings. All of the top
skins are already riveted in place, so you have little need to access
that side. The only time I needed to access the top side was to attach
the wing tips. To do that I just shifted the wings and was able to
complete those steps.
Larry Rosen
#356
johngoodman wrote:
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Tim & Larry,
I've got my QB wings coming and I've been looking at your wing stands. I only have one question before I start duplicating your designs:
Would it be better to create a wing stand/cradle for each wing? I noticed in one of the photos that one wing was stored overhead so work could be done on the other wing. I have the floor space and 2x4s are cheap in this business.
John
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: Quick Build (QB) Wings & Fuse - Steps Remaining |
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Perhaps it would be easier at times to have them separate, but
not too often. It's kind of nice having them together
because the base of the stand is automatically wide enough to
help keep it from tipping over. If you made a stand for one,
you'd still need a wide base. If you have lots of space though,
just build a really sturdy pair of carts if you wish. Much
of the time though, when you want to work on the wings, it'll
mean pulling them out and laying them flat on the table.
When you load them into the cradle, you'll usually want to leave
the top sides to the middle. The cart I made doesn't care which
wing goes on which side.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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johngoodman wrote:
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Tim & Larry, I've got my QB wings coming and I've been looking at
your wing stands. I only have one question before I start duplicating
your designs:
Would it be better to create a wing stand/cradle for each wing? I
noticed in one of the photos that one wing was stored overhead so
work could be done on the other wing. I have the floor space and 2x4s
are cheap in this business. John
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johngoodman
Joined: 18 Sep 2006
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Location: GA
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Quick Build (QB) Wings & Fuse - Steps Remaining |
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Larry & Tim,
You have answered my question. I'll build one wing stand, work is usually done on the table. I suppose I must put a placard on the stand to show it's merely a copy - not an original (g)....
John
| Tim(at)MyRV10.com wrote: | Perhaps it would be easier at times to have them separate, but
not too often. It's kind of nice having them together
because the base of the stand is automatically wide enough to
help keep it from tipping over. If you made a stand for one,
you'd still need a wide base. If you have lots of space though,
just build a really sturdy pair of carts if you wish. Much
of the time though, when you want to work on the wings, it'll
mean pulling them out and laying them flat on the table.
When you load them into the cradle, you'll usually want to leave
the top sides to the middle. The cart I made doesn't care which
wing goes on which side.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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LarryRosen
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
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Location: Medford, NJ
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: Quick Build (QB) Wings & Fuse - Steps Remaining |
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My design is a rip off of Tim's design, and Tim stole it from Dan C. who
stole it from .... Nothing original, just sharing and allowing others
to improve.
Tim did most of his work on a bench but he had slow build wings. I did
most of the work with the wings in the stand. You will be amazed how
much work is already completed with the QB wings.
Larry
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johngoodman wrote:
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Larry & Tim,
You have answered my question. I'll build one wing stand, work is usually done on the table. I suppose I must put a placard on the stand to show it's merely a copy - not an original (g)....
John
Tim(at)MyRV10.com wrote:
> Perhaps it would be easier at times to have them separate, but
> not too often. It's kind of nice having them together
> because the base of the stand is automatically wide enough to
> help keep it from tipping over. If you made a stand for one,
> you'd still need a wide base. If you have lots of space though,
> just build a really sturdy pair of carts if you wish. Much
> of the time though, when you want to work on the wings, it'll
> mean pulling them out and laying them flat on the table.
> When you load them into the cradle, you'll usually want to leave
> the top sides to the middle. The cart I made doesn't care which
> wing goes on which side.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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