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sstella(at)incisaledge.co
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I’ve just completed my first set of parts for my vertical stabilizer and I’m ready to prime. I’m using Akzo Nobel Epoxy Primer, what is a good cleaner to use before priming.
Steve
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:01 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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Steve,
If you don't go the Alumiprep/Alodine route the best is MEK but it's more toxic than others. You could also probably use lacquer thinner, acetone or denatured alcohol (the safest) I have them all on the shelf. Be sure to scuff well with scotchbrite. Some like to wash with mild detergent (Dove) before using a cleaner.
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I’ve just completed my first set of parts for my vertical stabilizer and I’m ready to prime. I’m using Akzo Nobel Epoxy Primer, what is a good cleaner to use before priming.
Steve
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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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Alumiprep... I believe it's available from Aircraft Spruce.
Jeff Carpenter
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I’ve just completed my first set of parts for my vertical stabilizer and I’m ready to prime. I’m using Akzo Nobel Epoxy Primer, what is a good cleaner to use before priming.
Steve
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sstella(at)incisaledge.co
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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Thanks John I appreciate it.
Steve
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Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Cleaning Parts
Steve,
If you don't go the Alumiprep/Alodine route the best is MEK but it's more toxic than others. You could also probably use lacquer thinner, acetone or denatured alcohol (the safest) I have them all on the shelf. Be sure to scuff well with scotchbrite. Some like to wash with mild detergent (Dove) before using a cleaner.
John Testement
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40321
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Finish kit - wheel fairings, cowl prep
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Subject: Cleaning Parts
I’ve just completed my first set of parts for my vertical stabilizer and I’m ready to prime. I’m using Akzo Nobel Epoxy Primer, what is a good cleaner to use before priming.
Steve
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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Alumaprep is probably the best for "really" cleaning the parts it's a mild acid that etch's and cleans but if your not planning on alodining it can be overkill. I scuffed with the red scotchbrite pads and cleaned and degread with laquer thinner or MEK.
MEK gases off slower than the thinner so it's better for large parts, small ones laquer thinner works good as does denatured alcohol, as the previous post said is the least toxic of the group, just make sure your in a well ventilated area and keep it off your skin. Drys out your hands something awful let alone the absorbtion factor. Open flame is NOT your friend here!!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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Thanks Jeff
Steve
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Alumiprep... I believe it's available from Aircraft Spruce.
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Steve
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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Alumaprep and MEK seems to cleaner of choice. Thanks Rick.
Steve
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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Steve,
Before you conclude things all the way allow me to share the method I have
found effective and efficient...
http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/Airframe/airframe.htm#Primer
Short version: scuff with Scotchbrite wetted with Coleman fuel... scuff and
clean in one operation.
Randy Lervold
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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Does the fuel leave a residue that needs to cleaned off with soap?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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Hmm, kinda rather hazardous to your health and building and airframe.
Coleman fuel is white GASOLINE. Low octane unleaded, no additives.
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Before you conclude things all the way allow me to share the method I have
found effective and efficient...
http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/Airframe/airframe.htm#Primer
Short version: scuff with Scotchbrite wetted with Coleman fuel... scuff and
clean in one operation.
Randy Lervold
www.rv-3.com
www.rv-8.com
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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Not at all. It is naptha which evaporates fully.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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| Quote: | Hmm, kinda rather hazardous to your health and building and airframe.
Coleman fuel is white GASOLINE. Low octane unleaded, no additives.
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It's naptha, quite a ways down on the dangerous chemicals list and certainly
safer than any of the other chemicals mentioned in this thread such as MEK
or acetone or laquer thinner. Of course use gloves when scuffing with it.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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No etching of the aluminum is needed?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:16 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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| Quote: | From what I've been told naphtha is also very similar in performance to
wipes like DX-330, although I believe DX-330 is a high quality type of
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mineral sprit. Might be closer to DX-440 which has more solvent
qualities.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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Think again:
Shellite (Australia), also known as white gas (North America), white
spirit or Coleman fuel, is a water white liquid with a hydrocarbon
odour. Shellite has a flashpoint less than -30 degrees Celsius, and a
boiling point of 47 degrees Celsius. The composition of shellite is
95% paraffins and naphthenes, less than 5% aromatic hydrocarbons and
less than 0.5% benzene. It is highly flammable and due to its low
flashpoint is used in many low pressure camping stoves. Shellite is
also a fast drying solvent used for cleaning metal, hard plastic and
painted surfaces.
Benzene is carcinogenic. Flamability is much bigger concern. Not much
harder to ignite than mogas or avgas.
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> Hmm, kinda rather hazardous to your health and building and airframe.
> Coleman fuel is white GASOLINE. Low octane unleaded, no additives.
It's naptha, quite a ways down on the dangerous chemicals list and certainly
safer than any of the other chemicals mentioned in this thread such as MEK
or acetone or laquer thinner. Of course use gloves when scuffing with it.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: Cleaning Parts |
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| Quote: | >From what I've been told naphtha is also very similar in performance to
wipes like DX-330, although I believe DX-330 is a high quality type of
mineral sprit. Might be closer to DX-440 which has more solvent
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True. If you look at the contents of most of the paint company prep solvents
you'll find that they are primarily naptha, but then add things like
tolulene etc. to make sure they clean any kind of contaminant off. Actually
DX-330 or the like would be technically even better than Coleman fuel to use
in scuffing parts for priming but its just more expensive.
Randy
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If it is 95% paraffin, is that what you want to clean your parts before painting??????
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Think again:
Shellite (Australia), also known as white gas (North America), white
spirit or Coleman fuel, is a water white liquid with a hydrocarbon
odour. Shellite has a flashpoint less than -30 degrees Celsius, and a
boiling point of 47 degrees Celsius. The composition of shellite is
95% paraffins and naphthenes, less than 5% aromatic hydrocarbons and
less than 0.5% benzene. It is highly flammable and due to its low
flashpoint is used in many low pressure camping stoves. Shellite is
also a fast drying solvent used for cleaning metal, hard plastic and
painted surfaces.
Benzene is carcinogenic. Flamability is much bigger concern. Not much
harder to ignite than mogas or avgas.
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> Hmm, kinda rather hazardous to your health and building and airframe.
> Coleman fuel is white GASOLINE. Low octane unleaded, no additives.
It's naptha, quite a ways down on the dangerous chemicals list and certainly
safer than any of the other chemicals mentioned in this thread such as MEK
or acetone or laquer thinner. Of course use gloves when scuffing with it.
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