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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:39 am Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

John G and other – treat yourself to an inexpensive and early Christmas present. Just spend $9.95 on an Electronic version of the AC43.13-1B and 2A.  I got mine in minutes on Saturday by going to www.actechbooks.com and ordering SKU 1008A from their website.  Loads of reading – 798 pages to be exact.  

Try researching Section 8 – Electrical and specifically on page 11-44, Paragraph 11-96, subparagraph w. Subparagraph w is a new insert since the older version. Also read on page 11-53 in Paragraph 11-126 on Flammable fluids.  Got my copy in seconds.  It’s a great reference material.  I gave copies to friends at an RV-10 social.  In a nutshell for the holiday cheapies, 6” separation and electrical routed on top of the fuel line.  

Many solutions to the “tunnel challenge” are buried within.  Plus you will impress your EAA tech advisor and your DAR to boot.  

Happy Holidays – whatever floats your seasonal boat.  

John Cox  

#40600  

    [quote][b]

indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:47 am Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Last night while getting into the shower after a hard day at work, I thought 

about Tim Olsen....Wait, let me finish.



His comment about this should be fun, "electrical wire runs and fuel lines 

in the tunnel."  All very valid points, but I also remembered someone 

telling me that in most modern cars the fuel pumps are actually inside of 

the fuel tanks and the wires run to that pump.



That's what I thought about while getting into the shower. Hope I didn't get 

you too excited there Tim.



Damm, now I can't remember, did I use soap????



JOhn G.



Do Not Archive

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:38:01 -0800



John G and other - treat yourself to an inexpensive and early Christmas

present. Just spend $9.95 on an Electronic version of the AC43.13-1B and

2A.  I got mine in minutes on Saturday by going to www.actechbooks.com

and ordering SKU 1008A from their website.  Loads of reading - 798 pages

to be exact.



Try researching Section 8 - Electrical and specifically on page 11-44,

Paragraph 11-96, subparagraph w. Subparagraph w is a new insert since

the older version. Also read on page 11-53 in Paragraph 11-126 on

Flammable fluids.  Got my copy in seconds.  It's a great reference

material.  I gave copies to friends at an RV-10 social.  In a nutshell

for the holiday cheapies, 6" separation and electrical routed on top of

the fuel line.



Many solutions to the "tunnel challenge" are buried within.  Plus you

will impress your EAA tech advisor and your DAR to boot.



Happy Holidays - whatever floats your seasonal boat.



John Cox

#40600

nyterminat(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

John,

  

 These pumps are also submerged is gas and are oxygen deprived.

  

 Do not archive

  

  

  

 In a message dated 12/14/06 10:51:39 Eastern Standard Time, indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		   His comment about this should be fun, "electrical wire runs and fuel lines 

in the tunnel."  All very valid points, but I also remembered someone 

telling me that in most modern cars the fuel pumps are actually inside of 

the fuel tanks and the wires run to that pump. 



	
  

  [quote][b]

apilot2(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:11 am Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

John,

Has the FAA taken AC43.13-1b off line? It used to be available for

free download if you had the bandwidth. In fact, it still is at

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument&Highlight=43.13-1b

Or just go to faa.gov and do a search for it.



On 12/14/06, John W. Cox <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



 John G and other – treat yourself to an inexpensive and early Christmas

 present. Just spend $9.95 on an Electronic version of the AC43.13-1B and 2A.

  I got mine in minutes on Saturday by going to www.actechbooks.com and

 ordering SKU 1008A from their website.  Loads of reading – 798 pages to be

 exact.



 Try researching Section 8 – Electrical and specifically on page 11-44,

 Paragraph 11-96, subparagraph w. Subparagraph w is a new insert since the

 older version. Also read on page 11-53 in Paragraph 11-126 on Flammable

 fluids.  Got my copy in seconds.  It's a great reference material.  I gave

 copies to friends at an RV-10 social.  In a nutshell for the holiday

 cheapies, 6" separation and electrical routed on top of the fuel line.



 Many solutions to the "tunnel challenge" are buried within.  Plus you will

 impress your EAA tech advisor and your DAR to boot.



 Happy Holidays – whatever floats your seasonal boat.



 John Cox



 #40600


	


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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Negative.  These are enclosed fuel lines, enclosed hydraulic lines (either Skydrol or H-5606 and multiple electrical wire runs within close proximity to each other.  Wiring within another fuel tank is an entirely separate matter and was addressed in the color PPT presentation that I sent to Tim’s RV-10 site.  The phrase “troughs, ducts and conduits” is found in paragraph a.  Within fuel tanks the measurement drops to 2”.  All fuel lines pass from fuel cells to there destination of a powerplant and all aircraft have electrical wire runs in proximity to powerplants and within airframes.  I didn’t want to confuse anyone who still reads my posts with tangent issues.  

   

There is a specific question in the FAA pool asked of applicants for their A & P Airframe written exam.  I don’t sleep at Holiday Inn but I do play one each day while others sleep.  

   

There is value in possessing a personal copy of the AC43.13-1B as well as the 2A and researching its golden passages.  

     

John Cox 

 the Turbanator #40600   

Do not Archive in respect to Matt’s server.  

          

  

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of NYTerminat

 Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:17 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires  

  

     

 John,  

    

   

    

These pumps are also submerged is gas and are oxygen deprived.  

    

   

    

Do not archive  

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

In a message dated 12/14/06 10:51:39 Eastern Standard Time, indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com writes:  

   	  Quote: 	
		      

His comment about this should be fun, "electrical wire runs and fuel lines 

 in the tunnel."  All very valid points, but I also remembered someone 

 telling me that in most modern cars the fuel pumps are actually inside of 

 the fuel tanks and the wires run to that pump.   

  	
    

   

  [quote]   [b]

AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

The ACs are available online. So are the FAA A&P Tech Questions but now

who would be going there?



Aircraft Technical Books has just manipulated Adobe Acrobat to provide a

more user friendly pdf version than Uncle Sammy. I can't stand 798 pages

but then I have 200 pounds of books from school in my wife's former

linen closet.



For the most technically adroit or the most frugally challenged, I

understand.  I just offered up a "Time is Money" holiday treat and a

teaser to visit their other offerings.  Choose your potion of choice for

that Holiday Egg Nog.  I'll take something with more octane on my days

off.  This is all about sharing information to the betterment of our

fellow builders.  Safety First, Safety Today, Safety Always.



Oh Yeh, Tim ... Merry Christmas to you and the entire Olson family and

thank you all for elevating our part of Matt's Reflector World.



John G. - no reference to showers with Tim with or sans soap.



John Cox

the Turbanator #40600

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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:15 am Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

I agree John. I have both loose leave binder copy I made, and a bound

copy I purchased...one for home, one for the hangar, as well as on

disk for my computers, and included in my IA data subscription.



On 12/14/06, John W. Cox <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> wrote:

[quote] 



 The ACs are available online. So are the FAA A&P Tech Questions but now

 who would be going there?



 Aircraft Technical Books has just manipulated Adobe Acrobat to provide a

 more user friendly pdf version than Uncle Sammy. I can't stand 798 pages

 but then I have 200 pounds of books from school in my wife's former

 linen closet.



 For the most technically adroit or the most frugally challenged, I

 understand.  I just offered up a "Time is Money" holiday treat and a

 teaser to visit their other offerings.  Choose your potion of choice for

 that Holiday Egg Nog.  I'll take something with more octane on my days

 off.  This is all about sharing information to the betterment of our

 fellow builders.  Safety First, Safety Today, Safety Always.



 Oh Yeh, Tim ... Merry Christmas to you and the entire Olson family and

 thank you all for elevating our part of Matt's Reflector World.



 John G. - no reference to showers with Tim with or sans soap.



 John Cox

 the Turbanator #40600

 --

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Well, you're right that many cars have pumps in the tanks.  There's

a couple things though.  First, we're talking about the main huge

battery wire here.  If that one breaks it's insulation, then nothing

on the main bus works when it shorts.  Or more specifically, if it

shorts it'll do huge damage.  Then, if it's in close to the fuel

lines, it wouldn't take much for a big boom.  Pair that with some

other things, like the fact that even if you don't have a hot tunnel,

there's probably more heat there than anywhere else in the cabin.

Then add the possible interference to the controls.  The hurdle of

running the wires through the spar. Then add in that the solenoid

you want to connect to is on the left side of the

firewall, and your battery cable will come out right between

the 2 exhaust stacks, unless you do some other wire gymnastics.

It just doesn't add up to be one of the more fantastic ideas to

put those fat wires in there.  For some of the smaller things, like

antenna wires, or some minor things, it isn't such a big deal.

I did find that even trying to come up with a good way to route

the flowscan wires down to the tunnel, it was easier just to

run them down the sides and under the seats, because the

forward tunnel cover and that cut-in area for the oil filter

make routing things a little messy.

Sure, you can give it a shot, but it does pay to study it

close to make sure what you want to do is easy and safe enough.

As far as electricity and fuel goes though, the most terrifying

thing I can imagine is an in-cockpit fire.  For that reason

I just hope everyone is very careful to protect their wires

and fuel lines as good as possible.

John G., I'm very relieved to know it wasn't actually thinking

about ME that you were doing.  I'm not much of a looker, for

one, but I've just never been one to lean towards soaping

my buddies backs for them. 

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

John Gonzalez wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Last night while getting into the shower after a hard day at work, I 

 thought about Tim Olsen....Wait, let me finish.

 His comment about this should be fun, "electrical wire runs and fuel 

 lines in the tunnel."  All very valid points, but I also remembered 

 someone telling me that in most modern cars the fuel pumps are actually 

 inside of the fuel tanks and the wires run to that pump.

 That's what I thought about while getting into the shower. Hope I didn't 

 get you too excited there Tim.

 Damm, now I can't remember, did I use soap????

 JOhn G.

 Do Not Archive

> From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>

> Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

> To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

> Subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:38:01 -0800

>

> John G and other - treat yourself to an inexpensive and early Christmas

> present. Just spend $9.95 on an Electronic version of the AC43.13-1B and

> 2A.  I got mine in minutes on Saturday by going to www.actechbooks.com

> and ordering SKU 1008A from their website.  Loads of reading - 798 pages

> to be exact.

>

> Try researching Section 8 - Electrical and specifically on page 11-44,

> Paragraph 11-96, subparagraph w. Subparagraph w is a new insert since

> the older version. Also read on page 11-53 in Paragraph 11-126 on

> Flammable fluids.  Got my copy in seconds.  It's a great reference

> material.  I gave copies to friends at an RV-10 social.  In a nutshell

> for the holiday cheapies, 6" separation and electrical routed on top of

> the fuel line.

>

> Many solutions to the "tunnel challenge" are buried within.  Plus you

> will impress your EAA tech advisor and your DAR to boot.

>

> Happy Holidays - whatever floats your seasonal boat.

>

> John Cox

> #40600

>

Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

OK so I'm ranting, it's lunch time so here goes.....Ivory soapbox and all



The first step in risk management is hazard identification.



OK so our hazard = metal fuel lines and high amperage electrical conductor in close proximity.



Second step=Lowering or eliminating the risk of the hazard.



This can be accomplished several ways....the simplistic way is to eliminate the hazard unless it is not possible...in this case there are many alternative routes for the electrical wire that it would go against practical thinking to route it in the tunnel so ELIMINATE the hazard!!



If you had no other option and had to run these two items, the next step is to engineer a system that would lower the hazard to acceptable levels...this should not even be a consideration in this situation BUT the AC 43.13 1B, change 1 gives you some options in the form of conduits and proper postioning.



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		  From day one this book has been in my shop,  the binder has worn through and I need to tape it or replace it...really replace since change 1 is out.


	


For those that don't have a copy get one, John, myself and many others have preached for the last almost three years!!



Almost every question asked in this forum regarding fuel lines, electrical, acceptable metal practices etc. etc. etc. is right inside that book. 



I am guessing that many builders have not had the absolute pleasure to work on aircraft in a structured enviroment, Johns experience in commercial an mine in the military maybe gives us a slanted or "Nothing less than perfect will do" attitude. 



There is technical data that has to be followed for EVERY task that's performed on the aircraft. Step by step, aircraft maintenance forms that document every panel and component removed and replaced along with the required operational checks afterwards. Quality assurance and supervision inspections and final sign offs. You get thick skinned because you just finished up an 8 hour auxillary drive gearbox change and missed safety wiring one bolt that is now almost impossible to get to. It sucks to make a mistake and have it pointed out so you fix it with a smile and swear you won't miss THAT again. Those checks and balances are what makes the safety records what they are today and what yours is going to be tomorrow



Get yourself a copy of AC 43.13 and mitigate your risk.



It's written in bent sheet metal and blood. Get two copies, one for the shop and one for the bathroom...really good bathroom book.



Now back to soap sudsing each other up 



Rick S.

40185

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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Don't you worry Tim, not all of us Californians are open minded enough to 

the idea of getting soaped up in the shower by any one other than the nice 

woman that is in one's heart and mind..or just mind.



I got all the information I needed now.  Like I said I haven't even built 

the tunnel yet but I wanted to know that this was not an option, atleast for 

the big stuff.



Thanks,



I hope a few people laughed.

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:55:06 -0600






Well, you're right that many cars have pumps in the tanks.  There's

a couple things though.  First, we're talking about the main huge

battery wire here.  If that one breaks it's insulation, then nothing

on the main bus works when it shorts.  Or more specifically, if it

shorts it'll do huge damage.  Then, if it's in close to the fuel

lines, it wouldn't take much for a big boom.  Pair that with some

other things, like the fact that even if you don't have a hot tunnel,

there's probably more heat there than anywhere else in the cabin.

Then add the possible interference to the controls.  The hurdle of

running the wires through the spar. Then add in that the solenoid

you want to connect to is on the left side of the

firewall, and your battery cable will come out right between

the 2 exhaust stacks, unless you do some other wire gymnastics.

It just doesn't add up to be one of the more fantastic ideas to

put those fat wires in there.  For some of the smaller things, like

antenna wires, or some minor things, it isn't such a big deal.

I did find that even trying to come up with a good way to route

the flowscan wires down to the tunnel, it was easier just to

run them down the sides and under the seats, because the

forward tunnel cover and that cut-in area for the oil filter

make routing things a little messy.



Sure, you can give it a shot, but it does pay to study it

close to make sure what you want to do is easy and safe enough.

As far as electricity and fuel goes though, the most terrifying

thing I can imagine is an in-cockpit fire.  For that reason

I just hope everyone is very careful to protect their wires

and fuel lines as good as possible.



John G., I'm very relieved to know it wasn't actually thinking

about ME that you were doing.  I'm not much of a looker, for

one, but I've just never been one to lean towards soaping

my buddies backs for them. 



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

John Gonzalez wrote:

>

>

>Last night while getting into the shower after a hard day at work, I 

>thought about Tim Olsen....Wait, let me finish.

>

>His comment about this should be fun, "electrical wire runs and fuel lines 

>in the tunnel."  All very valid points, but I also remembered someone 

>telling me that in most modern cars the fuel pumps are actually inside of 

>the fuel tanks and the wires run to that pump.

>

>That's what I thought about while getting into the shower. Hope I didn't 

>get you too excited there Tim.

>

>Damm, now I can't remember, did I use soap????

>

>JOhn G.

>

>Do Not Archive

>>From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>

>>Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

>>To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

>>Subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

>>Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:38:01 -0800

>>

>>John G and other - treat yourself to an inexpensive and early Christmas

>>present. Just spend $9.95 on an Electronic version of the AC43.13-1B and

>>2A.  I got mine in minutes on Saturday by going to www.actechbooks.com

>>and ordering SKU 1008A from their website.  Loads of reading - 798 pages

>>to be exact.

>>

>>Try researching Section 8 - Electrical and specifically on page 11-44,

>>Paragraph 11-96, subparagraph w. Subparagraph w is a new insert since

>>the older version. Also read on page 11-53 in Paragraph 11-126 on

>>Flammable fluids.  Got my copy in seconds.  It's a great reference

>>material.  I gave copies to friends at an RV-10 social.  In a nutshell

>>for the holiday cheapies, 6" separation and electrical routed on top of

>>the fuel line.

>>

>>Many solutions to the "tunnel challenge" are buried within.  Plus you

>>will impress your EAA tech advisor and your DAR to boot.

>>

>>Happy Holidays - whatever floats your seasonal boat.

>>

>>John Cox

>>#40600

>>

Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Good Rant, Rick!



Another set of books that I found absolutely essential when building my

first airplane, which was plans -built rather than a kit, was the set of

four books by Tony Bingelis, published by the EAA.  They are "The

Sportplane Builder", Sportplane Construction Techniques", Firewall

Forward", and "Tony Bingelis on Engines".  They are full of must-have

information on how to make aircraft parts, and how to assemble all the

complex subsystems that go into building an airplane.  When building my

first plane, I don't know which I used more, the Bingelis books or AC

43.13.  The Bingelis books are even better bathroom reading than the AC

book.  You can find them at:

http://shop.eaa.org/html/04_books_bingelis.html?cart_id=  Even though

these books are geared towards people building planes from scratch, they

have a wealth of info that applies to kits.  Tony actually built every

RV that was available before his death, starting with an RV-3, then an

RV-4 and an RV-6.  I believe he was working on an RV-8 when he developed

cancer.

Jack Phillips

# 610

Elevators

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Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:47 pm Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Hey John,



Last thing on the tunnel is the fuel filter which is a total pain to get to. The less you have in the way the better. I have a fiberglass console that has my Com/Nav and audio panel that I have to take out to get in there so it's even more of a pain. I wish I had thought about relocating that before getting this far along if that is even a option.



Rick S.

40185

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Sorry to inform you John, and a bonus for those "holiday cheapies"

<http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument>



Here is the link to AC 43.13-1B including change 1 all chapters as 

acrobat pdf, and all for free.

Or <http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/> for all sorts of aircraft information.

Our taxes at work.



Larry

#356



John W. Cox wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 John G and other – treat yourself to an inexpensive and early 

 Christmas present. Just spend $9.95 on an Electronic version of the 

 AC43.13-1B and 2A. I got mine in minutes on Saturday by going to 

 _www.actechbooks.com_ <http://www.actechbooks.com> and ordering SKU 

 1008A from their website. Loads of reading – 798 pages to be exact.



 Try researching Section 8 – Electrical and specifically on page 11-44, 

 Paragraph 11-96, subparagraph w. Subparagraph w is a new insert since 

 the older version. Also read on page 11-53 in Paragraph 11-126 on 

 Flammable fluids. Got my copy in seconds. It’s a great reference 

 material. I gave copies to friends at an RV-10 social. In a nutshell 

 for the holiday cheapies, 6” separation and electrical routed on top 

 of the fuel line.



 Many solutions to the “tunnel challenge” are buried within. Plus you 

 will impress your EAA tech advisor and your DAR to boot.



 Happy Holidays – whatever floats your seasonal boat.



 John Cox



 #40600



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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Sorry, did not see the rest of the emails.  Late to the punch.

Do not archive

Larry



Larry Rosen wrote:

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 Sorry to inform you John, and a bonus for those "holiday cheapies"

 <http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument> 

 Here is the link to AC 43.13-1B including change 1 all chapters as 

 acrobat pdf, and all for free.

 Or <http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/> for all sorts of aircraft information.

 Our taxes at work.



 Larry

 #356

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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

O.K.



I'll get the book.  Where?



Dave Leikam

40496



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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Sorry to inform you John, and a bonus for those "holiday cheapies"

<http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument> 

Here is the link to AC 43.13-1B including change 1 all chapters as 

acrobat pdf, and all for free.

Or <http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/> for all sorts of aircraft information.

Our taxes at work.



Dave Leikam wrote:

[quote] 



 O.K.



 I'll get the book.  Where?



 Dave Leikam

 40496



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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Thanks for the link, but I would like to get a bound hard copy if possible 

for easier quick reference.  Where?  Thanks.



Dave Leikam

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Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: Tunnel Question - Fuel lines and electrical wires

Try the here:  http://www.buildersbooks.com/



Rick S.

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