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PatrickW

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

What are you guys using to pull the Stainless Steel rivets...?



The pneumatic riveter that comes with the tool kit says to not use it on Stainless Steel rivets.  The instructions even show a picture of a broken rivet gun.  



The hand riveter doesn't have enough "bite" to grip and pull on them beyond setting them (it works fine on regular A4 & A5 rivets, so I know it's not broken).



What *really* works on these things...?  What have others actually done here...?



Right now I've got an elevator horn attached with a couple of stainless steel "nails" sticking out of it...  



Thanks,



- PatrickW

601zv(at)ritternet.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

I managed to pull mine with a hand riveter, but it certainly puts maximum 

strain on both it and the operator.



    Robin in AR

    601XL Tri-gear Zen-Vair N601ZV



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Jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

Patrick, I also found the stainless steel rivets hard to pull.  However, I bought a puller at Ace Hardware with a swiveling head ("Ace" brand) that I have used a lot more than the puller from ZAC.  It was still a tough squeeze, but it worked.  You will have to grind the nose pieces to make the domed heads on the rivets, but that is not a major job.  Just heat them cherry red and when they are cooled, shape them with a Dremel tool.



Jay in Dallas

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"PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com> wrote:



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What are you guys using to pull the Stainless Steel rivets...?



The pneumatic riveter that comes with the tool kit says to not use it on Stainless Steel rivets.  The instructions even show a picture of a broken rivet gun.  



The hand riveter doesn't have enough "bite" to grip and pull on them beyond setting them (it works fine on regular A4 & A5 rivets, so I know it's not broken).



What *really* works on these things...?  What have others actually done here...?



Right now I've got an elevator horn attached with a couple of stainless steel "nails" sticking out of it...  



Thanks,



- PatrickW





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lnk(at)iowatelecom.net
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

You should not have to heat the mandrels before grinding with a Dremel (or

any other grinding tool).  Heat is only required if you machine them.  But

better yet, just unscrew the mandrels from the air riveter and screw them

into the hand riveter, most are interchangeable.  Hand riveting SS rivets

does require a bit better tool than the cheapo tool, though and the swivel

head tool does work reasonably well.



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xl(at)prosody.org
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

I literally had to stand on my hand riveter to pull the A5's.

It did keep working for awhile. I wore out 2 hand riveters.

I did pull all my rivets by hand.



Joe E

N633Z (at) BFI

CH601XL, 410 hours

Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 64x49 wood prop

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, PatrickW wrote:

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barcusc(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

I bought a good hand riveter at the auto parts store and the domed nose 

piece that came with the riveter I bought from ZAC are interchangeable.



Clyde

601XL

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ter_turn(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

I'm using 601 XL Plans that are three years old. I haven't seen a call for SS rivets yet. Tail feathers, wings almost done. Please list areas that designate SS rivets besides firewall. Thanks.

   

  Terry Turnquist

  601XL-Plans

  St. Peters, MO



xl <xl(at)prosody.org> wrote:

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I literally had to stand on my hand riveter to pull the A5's.

It did keep working for awhile. I wore out 2 hand riveters.

I did pull all my rivets by hand.



Joe E

N633Z (at) BFI

CH601XL, 410 hours

Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 64x49 wood prop

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 What are you guys using to pull the Stainless Steel [quote][b]

amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

in the newletter, one gent used and hand riveter with a clamp attached to handles.  he turned the clamp screw, squeezing the rivet .

I used handle riveter.   just take it slow.

Juan



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601zv(at)ritternet.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

For one, 14 AS5 required for attachment of SS  Piano Hinge to Toe Brake Pedals and Rudder Pedals (per 601XL 6-B-9 Revision  04/04).

  

     Robin in AR

     N601ZV

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

Better check that.... I have two hand pullers and  two pneumatic pullers and none of them interchange.

  

 Ed Moody II

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PatrickW

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

OK Guys - I got it.  Here's the solution.



Short Version:  Unscrew the nose piece "a little bit".  This allows the hand riveter to "bite" onto a different section of the shaft.  This worked for me.



Long Version:  I carefully measured the length of the rivet shaft that was still sticking out.  I then pumped the hand riveter 300 (three hundred!) times.  It felt like I was getting just a hair's worth of "bite" at the end of each stroke, so I kept going - thinking that I was getting it very slowly.



Then I measured the length of the protruding shaft.  No change!  But I did notice some small metal "filings" in the area.  Something was wearing down someplace.  I twisted the hand riveter around to "get a different angle" on the rivet, and the very firt pull "felt different".  But then all the subsequent pulls felt the same as before.  I realized at that point I might as well have been trying to squeeze a watermelon seed.



But I knew what the problem was at that point.  I took the nosepiece out of the riveter and looked inside to see how it worked.  I needed to be able to "bite" onto a different section of the rivet shaft each time.  I simply unscrewed the nosepiece a little bit and gave it a try.



What do you know - it worked!  2 pulls later I heard a resounding BANG and the Stainless Steel rivets were installed.    



Tail section done.  On to the Wings...



Thanks everyone,



- PatrickW

Tim Juhl

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Posts: 488
Location: "Thumb" of Michigan

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

Hmmm..... not knowing any better, I just used the pneumatic puller that I bought from Mark and David at CAN-ZAC when I took their rudder workshop. It came from a Canadian outfit called Princess Auto. It didn't break and I've pulled a lot of rivets since.  Maybe I just got lucky.



BTW - The first place you use SS rivets is on a strap that is associated with the elevator horn.



Tim

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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Pulling Stainless Steel Rivets?

I used the pneumatic riveter as well. The cheap one from Harbor freight and didn't give it a second thought.

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MaxNr(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: Pulling Stainless steel rivets?

Looking at the drawing of the XL's elevator, it looks like you could might get a bucking bar in to reach the two fwd (SS) rivets on the upper&lower horns and shoot those two with a rivet gun. Hope I don't have the drawing upside down again. AC 43.13-1B says that MONEL is a satisfactory replacement for SS. When I get to the elevator, I will ask Zenith about this.    [quote][b]

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