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		indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				The last couple of times I have orderred parts through Van's I have been 
 dissappointed in how long it took to get my stuff.
 
 Last Friday I orderred some accessories over the phone, just three or four 
 and asked for standard UPS ground delivery.
 
 The following Monday morning, two and a half days later, I called to add a 
 few small items, rivets and nuts.  I was told that there was no way to 
 include these items in my previous order so that shipping could be all 
 together, no interest what so ever in even checking the status of my Friday 
 order.
 
 Today I got a UPS confirmation that UPS received a package for shipment to 
 me from Van's. For one week the order is sitting in Van's being filled 
 before it even gets in the mail.  So much for getting anything done on what 
 I need to get done during this holiday weekend.
 
 Very frustrating and not the first time.
 
 I know that Aircraft, Spruce and Specialty has a west coast location, but i 
 order through them anytime before 3pm and the next day it is sitting in my 
 office. EVERYTIME!
 
 Just venting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 I always try to not order the small stuff through Van's for this very 
 reason. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
 
 John G.
 
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				 Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:07 pm    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				Van's orders take planning.....they have always shipped on their schedule...they are not ACS for sure but when they have what you need...time is on thier side. ALWAYS been that way...not gonna change...get used to it, accept it and enjoy the handling charge..
 
 They are still OK in my book.
 
 Rick S.
 40185
 
 FF kit arrived today and more INVENTORY AND STINKING PAPER PACKING...(exhaust looks kewl!!!)
 Thought I was done with that, vent over with...back to your original programming.
 
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		bsponcil(at)belinblank.or Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:57 am    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				Yeah, I've had similar experiences.  One time after I got the "your order 
 has already shipped so we can't add to it" answer, my wife called FedEx to 
 confirm that (if you knew her this would make sense).  Turns out FedEx 
 hadn't shown up at Vans yet so she called them on it and insisted they add 
 to my existing order.  Most recently I ordered a replacement F-1010 bulkhead 
 1st thing monday morning, only to have it shipped the following Friday.
 
 Vans makes a tremendous product but I'd say the Marketing and Customer 
 Service deptments are somewhat subpar.  Oh well.  I think from now on, I'll 
 just plan to pay extra for the 2 day shipping to avoid extended buildus 
 interruptus.
 
 Just my $.02
 
 -Brian
 
 Iowa City, IA
 #40497
 Tailcone rivets this weekend!
 
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		MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:36 am    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				I think I'm experiencing that now.  I ordered some parts Monday, it 
 showed up on the "ship list" on Tuesday (that's good).  But it's not in 
 UPS's tracking system yet (which happens within minutes of actual 
 pickup).  I'm concluding that "ship list" means, "ordered rec'd and sent 
 for picking/packing". 
 
 The aircraft are so good, the kits so well engineered, and the overall 
 experience so wonderful that I'm fine with Van's core compentencies 
 being over in the design and engineering area.  Receiving, picking, 
 packing and otherwise processing parts orders is important for Amazon.  
 I sense that suppling parts and accessories  is a merely a requirement 
 for Vans being in this business.
 
 Remember when it took 'everyone' 3 days to process an order for 
 anything?   Ship overnight? forgetaboutit!
 
 Bill "deburr, dimple, deburr, dimple, deburr dimple the tailcone" Watson
 
 Brian Douglas wrote:
 [quote] 
  <bsponcil(at)belinblank.org>
  Yeah, I've had similar experiences.  One time after I got the "your 
  order has already shipped so we can't add to it" answer, my wife 
  called FedEx to confirm that (if you knew her this would make sense).  
  Turns out FedEx hadn't shown up at Vans yet so she called them on it 
  and insisted they add to my existing order.  Most recently I ordered a 
  replacement F-1010 bulkhead 1st thing monday morning, only to have it 
  shipped the following Friday.
 
  Vans makes a tremendous product but I'd say the Marketing and Customer 
  Service deptments are somewhat subpar.  Oh well.  I think from now on, 
  I'll just plan to pay extra for the 2 day shipping to avoid extended 
  buildus interruptus.
 
  Just my $.02
 
  -Brian
 
  Iowa City, IA
  #40497
  Tailcone rivets this weekend!
 
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		indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				Just because you guys request overnight or two day shipping does not bump it 
 up in the order department at Van's
 
 As Tim Olson and several others can attest too, including me, be very 
 reluctant to ship anything overnight or even two day.  You will be blown 
 away by how much it costs. And absolutely, never get anything for Saturday 
 delivery.
 
 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 Try it out or take my word for it...don't do it.
 
 John G
 
 [quote]From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
 Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
 Subject: Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go??
 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:36:26 -0500
 
  
 I think I'm experiencing that now.  I ordered some parts Monday, it showed 
 up on the "ship list" on Tuesday (that's good).  But it's not in UPS's 
 tracking system yet (which happens within minutes of actual pickup).  I'm 
 concluding that "ship list" means, "ordered rec'd and sent for 
 picking/packing".
 
 The aircraft are so good, the kits so well engineered, and the overall 
 experience so wonderful that I'm fine with Van's core compentencies being 
 over in the design and engineering area.  Receiving, picking, packing and 
 otherwise processing parts orders is important for Amazon.  I sense that 
 suppling parts and accessories  is a merely a requirement for Vans being in 
 this business.
 
 Remember when it took 'everyone' 3 days to process an order for anything?   
 Ship overnight? forgetaboutit!
 
 Bill "deburr, dimple, deburr, dimple, deburr dimple the tailcone" Watson
 
 Brian Douglas wrote:
 >
 >Yeah, I've had similar experiences.  One time after I got the "your order 
 >has already shipped so we can't add to it" answer, my wife called FedEx to 
 >confirm that (if you knew her this would make sense).  Turns out FedEx 
 >hadn't shown up at Vans yet so she called them on it and insisted they add 
 >to my existing order.  Most recently I ordered a replacement F-1010 
 >bulkhead 1st thing monday morning, only to have it shipped the following 
 >Friday.
 >
 >Vans makes a tremendous product but I'd say the Marketing and Customer 
 >Service deptments are somewhat subpar.  Oh well.  I think from now on, 
 >I'll just plan to pay extra for the 2 day shipping to avoid extended 
 >buildus interruptus.
 >
 >Just my $.02
 >
 >-Brian
 >
 >Iowa City, IA
 >#40497
 >Tailcone rivets this weekend!
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		DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				I just confirmed my order for QB wings, fuse, and finishing kit today.  Told 
 the kits should be ready to ship late Feb. to mid March.  I was told as of 
 today there are 688 RV-10s being built.  I ordered parts for a new right 
 trim tab on 12/20.  Parts came today Fed Ex.  I was told they wouldn't 
 arrive till after Xmas.  Shipping is a bit high I guess, $24.83 to 
 Milwaukee, WI (roughly).
 But I guess I can never complain about getting something delivered across 
 the country in two days for $25.00.  The game is to try not to have to many 
 odds and ends shipped in between major orders.  I am one who thinks the USPS 
 should just raise their stamp rate to .50 and get it over with for a while. 
 Never had a problem with anything from Van's yet.  Still waiting on 
 Creativeair lights since 12/12 though.
 
 Dave Leikam
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		Tim(at)MyRV10.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				Actually, I've been using more and more USPS and USPS Priority...simply
 for the fact that with no extra charge, I can get Saturday delivery,
 and often that makes the difference of getting parts for the weekend
 that wouldn't make it by ground on Friday.
 
 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
 do not archive
 John Gonzalez wrote:
 [quote] 
  
  
  Just because you guys request overnight or two day shipping does not 
  bump it up in the order department at Van's
  
  As Tim Olson and several others can attest too, including me, be very 
  reluctant to ship anything overnight or even two day.  You will be blown 
  away by how much it costs. And absolutely, never get anything for 
  Saturday delivery.
  
  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
  
  
  Try it out or take my word for it...don't do it.
  
  John G
  
 > From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
 > Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
 > Subject: Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone 
 > go??
 > Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:36:26 -0500
 >
 > 
 >
 > I think I'm experiencing that now.  I ordered some parts Monday, it 
 > showed up on the "ship list" on Tuesday (that's good).  But it's not 
 > in UPS's tracking system yet (which happens within minutes of actual 
 > pickup).  I'm concluding that "ship list" means, "ordered rec'd and 
 > sent for picking/packing".
 >
 > The aircraft are so good, the kits so well engineered, and the overall 
 > experience so wonderful that I'm fine with Van's core compentencies 
 > being over in the design and engineering area.  Receiving, picking, 
 > packing and otherwise processing parts orders is important for 
 > Amazon.  I sense that suppling parts and accessories  is a merely a 
 > requirement for Vans being in this business.
 >
 > Remember when it took 'everyone' 3 days to process an order for 
 > anything?   Ship overnight? forgetaboutit!
 >
 > Bill "deburr, dimple, deburr, dimple, deburr dimple the tailcone" Watson
 >
 > Brian Douglas wrote:
 >> 
 >> <bsponcil(at)belinblank.org>
 >>
 >>
 >> Yeah, I've had similar experiences.  One time after I got the "your 
 >> order has already shipped so we can't add to it" answer, my wife 
 >> called FedEx to confirm that (if you knew her this would make 
 >> sense).  Turns out FedEx hadn't shown up at Vans yet so she called 
 >> them on it and insisted they add to my existing order.  Most recently 
 >> I ordered a replacement F-1010 bulkhead 1st thing monday morning, 
 >> only to have it shipped the following Friday.
 >>
 >> Vans makes a tremendous product but I'd say the Marketing and 
 >> Customer Service deptments are somewhat subpar.  Oh well.  I think 
 >> from now on, I'll just plan to pay extra for the 2 day shipping to 
 >> avoid extended buildus interruptus.
 >>
 >> Just my $.02
 >>
 >> -Brian
 >>
 >> Iowa City, IA
 >> #40497
 >> Tailcone rivets this weekend!
 >>
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		jeff(at)westcottpress.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:32 pm    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				The real trick is to find a guy building nearby who's running about 6  
 months or so behind you.  That way, when you screw up a part, you can  
 run up to his house and get another... then Vans can take their sweet  
 time getting him the replacement.
 
 Jeff Carpenter
 40304
 About to embark on the "old fashioned" IFR ticket plan
 
 On Dec 22, 2006, at 2:44 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
 
 [quote] 
 
  Actually, I've been using more and more USPS and USPS  
  Priority...simply
  for the fact that with no extra charge, I can get Saturday delivery,
  and often that makes the difference of getting parts for the weekend
  that wouldn't make it by ground on Friday.
 
  Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
  do not archive
  John Gonzalez wrote:
 > 
 > <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
 > Just because you guys request overnight or two day shipping does  
 > not bump it up in the order department at Van's
 > As Tim Olson and several others can attest too, including me, be  
 > very reluctant to ship anything overnight or even two day.  You  
 > will be blown away by how much it costs. And absolutely, never get  
 > anything for Saturday delivery.
 > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 
 > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 
 > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 
 > $!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try it out or take my word  
 > for it...don't do it.
 > John G
 >> From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
 >> Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
 >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
 >> Subject: Re: Van's shipping department, where did  
 >> everyone go??
 >> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:36:26 -0500
 >>
 >> 
 >>
 >> I think I'm experiencing that now.  I ordered some parts Monday,  
 >> it showed up on the "ship list" on Tuesday (that's good).  But  
 >> it's not in UPS's tracking system yet (which happens within  
 >> minutes of actual pickup).  I'm concluding that "ship list"  
 >> means, "ordered rec'd and sent for picking/packing".
 >>
 >> The aircraft are so good, the kits so well engineered, and the  
 >> overall experience so wonderful that I'm fine with Van's core  
 >> compentencies being over in the design and engineering area.   
 >> Receiving, picking, packing and otherwise processing parts orders  
 >> is important for Amazon.  I sense that suppling parts and  
 >> accessories  is a merely a requirement for Vans being in this  
 >> business.
 >>
 >> Remember when it took 'everyone' 3 days to process an order for  
 >> anything?   Ship overnight? forgetaboutit!
 >>
 >> Bill "deburr, dimple, deburr, dimple, deburr dimple the tailcone"  
 >> Watson
 >>
 >> Brian Douglas wrote:
 >>> 
 >>> <bsponcil(at)belinblank.org>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> Yeah, I've had similar experiences.  One time after I got the  
 >>> "your order has already shipped so we can't add to it" answer,  
 >>> my wife called FedEx to confirm that (if you knew her this would  
 >>> make sense).  Turns out FedEx hadn't shown up at Vans yet so she  
 >>> called them on it and insisted they add to my existing order.   
 >>> Most recently I ordered a replacement F-1010 bulkhead 1st thing  
 >>> monday morning, only to have it shipped the following Friday.
 >>>
 >>> Vans makes a tremendous product but I'd say the Marketing and  
 >>> Customer Service deptments are somewhat subpar.  Oh well.  I  
 >>> think from now on, I'll just plan to pay extra for the 2 day  
 >>> shipping to avoid extended buildus interruptus.
 >>>
 >>> Just my $.02
 >>>
 >>> -Brian
 >>>
 >>> Iowa City, IA
 >>> #40497
 >>> Tailcone rivets this weekend!
 >>>
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		n223rv(at)wolflakeairport Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:55 am    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				Plan and expect for 5 working days to get an order out the door, then
 regular shipping time to your destination and it will be about right.
 If you have a small order and do USPS Priority Mail, typically you will
 be put closer to the top of the list.  
 
 Because of this, I typically order everything I can from Spruce... Order
 Monday, receive it Wednesday regular UPS....
 -Mike
 
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		MChase(at)gdatp.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				Dave, 
 
  What is Van's quoting for a lead time on the "standard" build wing kit these days. I  am hoping to be done with my elevators this week and will be starting the "tunnel".   
  
 Anyone have an hours estimate for finishing the tail cone so I can plan my ordering lead time? 
  
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 --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM(at)WI.RR.COM>
  
  I just confirmed my order for QB wings, fuse, and finishing kit today.  Told 
  the kits should be ready to ship late Feb. to mid March.  I was told as of 
  today there are 688 RV-10s being built.  I ordered parts for a new right 
  trim tab on 12/20.  Parts came today Fed Ex.  I was told they wouldn't 
  arrive till after Xmas.  Shipping is a bit high I guess, $24.83 to 
  Milwaukee, WI (roughly).
  But I guess I can never complain about getting something delivered across 
  the country in two days for $25.00.  The game is to try not to have to many 
  odds and ends shipped in between major orders.  I am one who thinks the USPS 
  should just raise their stamp rate to .50 and get it over with for a while. 
  Never had a problem with anything from Van's yet.  Still waiting on 
  Creativeair lights since 12/12 though.
  
  Dave Leikam
  40496
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		DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:38 pm    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				If you mean me (Dave Leikam), I didn't get any info  on slow build kit delivery times.  Only what I was told about the QB I  ordered.  Mid March delivery, ordered Dec. 22nd.
  I could check to be sure, but I want to say my tail  cone took about 70 hours. 
   
  Dave Leikam
  40496
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		Eric_Kallio
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				I just got my standard or slow-build wings in November. It took 8 weeks to get them shipped. I ordered some parts such as the fuel senders and some tubing. 2 weeks after the order was placed it finally showed up. As for the tailcone I spent about 85 hours on it. 
 
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		MChase(at)gdatp.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:30 pm    Post subject: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? | 
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				Eric, 
 Thanks sounds like I need to think about ordering now, or more accurately do my taxes to make sure I can afford to order them:-).   
  
 You mentioned fuel sendors, over to the crowd what else do you I need to order with the wings?  I am trying to go cheap so am not planning on doing anything to fancy, just lights and an attempt at a cheap  IFR cockpit, if such a thing exists.. 
  
  
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         Subject:        Re: Van's shipping department, where did everyone go?? 
  
  
 --> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
  
  I just got my standard or slow-build wings in November. It took 8 weeks to get them shipped. I ordered some parts such as the fuel senders and some tubing. 2 weeks after the order was placed it finally showed up. As for the tailcone I spent about 85 hours on it. 
  
  Eric Kallio
  40518-leading edges
  
  
  
  
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