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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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Hello Group ,I am not off to a good start this morning .Yesterday I cut out my front cabin floor .Today I bent the 45 degree sides ,after bending I noticed one side was longer than the other .After checking I found that I had made a most basic mistake ,I missed the center mark .After building most of the parts you would not think that one could not make this kind of a basic mistake .I feel dumb this morning as I know other builders do not make this kind of mistakes .It will go into the scrap pile along with the other bad pieces that I have made. Things will get better . Wade Jones South Texas
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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Wade-
Any builder who says he doesn't make the same type of mistake is either
1. The luckiest man in the world
2. An Idiot Savant
3. A liar, or
4. Chris Heintz.
Look at the bright side.If you're like me, you have enough material to build another plane, and do it right the second time around.
Hang in there.
Bill Naumuk
Still polishing HDS Fuselage c-section
Townville, Pa
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:10 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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Wade, you are right: "other builders never make this kind of mistakes."
(Tongue firmly planted on cheek!)
Just yesterday I did something similar.
You have plenty of company - don't let it demotivate you.
Cheers
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
On 26/12/06, Wade Jones <waj(at)quik.com (waj(at)quik.com)> wrote: [quote] Hello Group ,I am not off to a good start this morning .Yesterday I cut out my front cabin floor .Today I bent the 45 degree sides ,after bending I noticed one side was longer than the other .After checking I found that I had made a most basic mistake ,I missed the center mark .After building most of the parts you would not think that one could not make this kind of a basic mistake .I feel dumb this morning as I know other builders do not make this kind of mistakes .It will go into the scrap pile along with the other bad pieces that I have made. Things will get better . Wade Jones South Texas
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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Wade,
I had ordered wing kits and cut the wrong angle on my 2nd rear spar. I thought life was over. Then Dave posted his Cheap Brake, and Bill Naumuk convinced me to scratch build the remainder. I saved thousands just on the center section! You just never know…
I’m not sure how making a mistake on your floor piece is going to translate into a bonus for you, but, as the little boy happily said while cleaning the stalls, “With all this manure, there HAS to be a pony in here somewhere!”
Welcome to the Oh Sh_t Club!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wade Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 7:37 AM
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Subject: Screw-up
Hello Group ,I am not off to a good start this morning .Yesterday I cut out my front cabin floor .Today I bent the 45 degree sides ,after bending I noticed one side was longer than the other .After checking I found that I had made a most basic mistake ,I missed the center mark .After building most of the parts you would not think that one could not make this kind of a basic mistake .I feel dumb this morning as I know other builders do not make this kind of mistakes .It will go into the scrap pile along with the other bad pieces that I have made. Things will get better . Wade Jones South Texas
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:15 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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Wade, OTHER builders make these mistakes and more!!
On my Rv3 about a hundred yrs ago(actually 34 or so) I was assembling the airplane in the driveway for the first time with several Chapter buddies helping,everything was going good 'till we got down to the flaps and it was discovered that I had built two left ones and no right ones. The guys were laughing so hard on the lawn I thought I was going to have to call medics. They STILL won't let me forget it. In addition I built 5 trim tabs (hard part on the early RV's)2-3 carb boxes and a multitude of misc stuff that either didn't fit or I decided on a better way to do it. Hang in there, it's worth it! John Baytown TX
Quote: | Hello Group ,I am not off to a good start this morning .Yesterday I cut out my front cabin floor .Today I bent the 45 degree sides ,after bending I noticed one side was longer than the other .After checking I found that I had made a most basic mistake ,I missed the center mark .After building most of the parts you would not think that one could not make this kind of a basic mistake .I feel dumb this morning as I know other builders do not make this kind of mistakes .It will go into the scrap pile along with the other bad pieces that I have made. Things will get better . Wade Jones South Texas
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: Screw-up |
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Hello Group ,thanks to all that replied to my screw-up post .Makes me not feel not alone in making mistakes .I cut and bent another cabin floor today ,this time correct .Thanks for sharing your experiences and offering me encouragement . Wade
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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Wade-
Deja vu all over again! That damned Z spar was my first "Oops part", too! You should see how many entries in my builder's log start with "Aaargh! I can't believe I did it again!"
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HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:18 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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Hi all,
I am wondering the source scratch builders are getting their 3/4 x 3/4 x .093
Aluminum angle. Spruce has 3/4x3/4x1/8. I screwed up my elevator horn doubler 6t3-6 by trimming off to much and was thinking that some raw materials around the shop would be a good thing.
All this talk from the scratch builders has me thinking, that I should be able to recover from some mistakes that are simple. maybe a couple of small sheets or .040 and .032. To form some common parts.
Is there such a thing as a hybrid builder out there?
Thanks
Ernie.
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On 12/27/06, Bill Naumuk <naumuk(at)alltel.net (naumuk(at)alltel.net)> wrote: [quote] Wade-
Deja vu all over again! That damned Z spar was my first "Oops part", too! You should see how many entries in my builder's log start with "Aaargh! I can't believe I did it again!"
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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I bought a kit and like everyone else, or at least most, I screw up a part now and then and not only does it get expensive but a lot of time is lost waiting on replacement parts. Recently I bought 4' x 4' sheets of .025, .032, .040 and .063 and I am really glad I did, I have used it several times. Sometimes it is replacement for a part that is clearly scrap, other times for a marginal part that bugs the hell out of me. I wish I had done it sooner, it would have saved me a fair amount of money and a lot of time.
Regards:
Clyde Barcus
601 XL
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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Any "honest" builder will own up to messing up some part or the other. Yes, sometimes, it is best to go to ZAC for another part; but most of the time it is easier (and definitely quicker) to fabricate another part yourself. I have probably made a dozen replacement parts (confession is good for the soul, I am told). Get over your "boo-boo", set your mind to it, recover and move on.
Jay in Dallas
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"Clyde Barcus" <barcusc(at)comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]I bought a kit and like everyone else, or at least most, I screw up a part now and then and not only does it get expensive but a lot of time is lost waiting on replacement parts. Recently I bought 4' x 4' sheets of .025, .032, .040 and .063 and I am really glad I did, I have used it several times. Sometimes it is replacement for a part that is clearly scrap, other times for a marginal part that bugs the hell out of me. I wish I had done it sooner, it would have saved me a fair amount of money and a lot of time.
Regards:
Clyde Barcus
601 XL
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: Screw-up |
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Hi Ernie,
What I have done is to replace man kit parts I screwed up by building them from scratch. This is much easier than actual scratch building because you have the kit part to compare to your new piece.
Many of the kit parts are easy to replace. The ones that are a bigger challenge are the very large parts with long bends and things like the wing spars that also have solid rivets to deal with.
You can order replacement parts from ZAC. You can also order replacement materials from them or any other source that has the right stuff. In the case of 6061-T6 sheet metal and extrusions there are many sources. This material is very common in the market place for use in all sorts of stuff - not just aircraft or mil. spec. use. At some stage, ZAC will include some spare materials in your kit box too.
The only advice I can offer is to do what ever you are comfortable with. If you don't like your results and feel uncomfortable then order replacement parts. The nicest part of all metal construction is you can undo just about anything and keep working on it until you are satisfied. It is you, the builder, who must take responsibility for all the parts and the final construction.
Have fun,
Paul
XL fuselage
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I am wondering the source scratch builders are getting their 3/4 x 3/4 x .093
Aluminum angle. Spruce has 3/4x3/4x1/8. I screwed up my elevator horn doubler 6t3-6 by trimming off to much and was thinking that some raw materials around the shop would be a good thing.
All this talk from the scratch builders has me thinking, that I should be able to recover from some mistakes that are simple. maybe a couple of small sheets or .040 and .032. To form some common parts.
Is there such a thing as a hybrid builder out there?
Thanks
Ernie.
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: Screw-up |
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Ernie-
We're all "Hybrid" builders. I haven't seen a completed project yet that didn't include some embellishment to the basic plans. The way I figure it, if you're making a non-structural mod ( Fairings, light installation, etc.) go for it.
On the other hand, if you're considering making a flying surface larger or smaller or modifying the gear, list advice isn't for you- you should talk to Zenith.
As far as I know, you only incur a weight penalty if you go to the next size larger stock. DON'T THROW THINGS- I SAID "AS FAR AS I KNOW"!
The big problem with using .125 stock for the horn is, it's hard to bend, and you're not allowed to heat it with a torch. There are a lot of things you're not allowed to do when building an airplane that are perfectly legal for tractors!
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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Rich
Very gracious of you to post that picture of the rudder error. Thanks for that. I’m curious as to if you made new skin or just patched those triangular openings.
Cheers
Bill Jones
601xl
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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Nope. Now that's creative!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: Screw-up |
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Rich,
You are certainly the right kind of person to build and complete an aircraft. Your sense of humor and your ability to not take yourself too seriously will serve you well. Too many builders are too stuffy!
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: Screw-up |
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Had the same cut done, just a little filin an itll look purfekt.
Juan
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: Screw-up |
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A picutre for all Dads on the list who have had their kids get into things they shouldn't.
Happy New Year.
Juan
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:06 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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To repair my oops cut, the tax was $100 shipped to my door from Zenith. I ordered a new part. They were fast a well!!
Rich
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:46 am Post subject: Screw-up |
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Ernie,
I don’t recall seeing too many responses to your question. I cut my extrusions down to ¾” on my table saw – really not a problem.
And, Yes, you could say that I am a ‘hybrid’ builder. I bought kits for the rudder, horiz.stabilizer, and wings. The rest will be scratch built.
Build one rib and you realize you can build just about anything.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Screw-up
Hi all,
I am wondering the source scratch builders are getting their 3/4 x 3/4 x .093
Aluminum angle. Spruce has 3/4x3/4x1/8. I screwed up my elevator horn doubler 6t3-6 by trimming off to much and was thinking that some raw materials around the shop would be a good thing.
All this talk from the scratch builders has me thinking, that I should be able to recover from some mistakes that are simple. maybe a couple of small sheets or .040 and .032. To form some common parts.
Is there such a thing as a hybrid builder out there?
Thanks
Ernie.
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On 12/27/06, Bill Naumuk <naumuk(at)alltel.net (naumuk(at)alltel.net)> wrote:
Wade-
Deja vu all over again! That damned Z spar was my first "Oops part", too! You should see how many entries in my builder's log start with "Aaargh! I can't believe I did it again!"
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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