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rvickski(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

Machinist, welder, fabricator, former Mercedes and

exotic car mechanic, former HVAC tech, I can relate to

the ADHD (attention deficit) thing.



Roy Szarafinski

Allen Michigan USA

701 plans

4 years into the 5 year plan

oldguyflier(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

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BobTezyk

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 38
Location: Midlothian, TX

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

I'll Throw in my 2 cents worth.

  

 I am a computer consultant and project manager specializing in  implementing manufacturing and distribution system packages.  I currently  specialize in the JD Edwards EnterpriseOne package.  I have been doing this  type of work since I got out of the Air Force in 1974.  

  

 In the Air Force, I pulled over 300 combat missions under  Kansas.  It was so boring that we wished someone would start a war just so  we would have something to do.  I was a baby sitter for the largest nuclear  warhead in the inventory.  The reality was we spread a lot of gray  paint.  (Missile Combat Crew Commander in a Titan II silo.)

  

 After the service, one of my clients was the Pantex Plant in  Amarillo, TX.  They do all of the assembly and dis-assembly of all the  nuclear weapons.  After all of this exposure to radiation, I can honestly  say that it has not affected me one bit with one exception - as long as I am  holding a cup of coffee, it never gets cold.

  

 I took my first lesson in a J-3 Cub at age 13 and received my  license 22 years later while working at Learjet as Director of Manufacturing  Control Systems.  I received my glider rating a little over a year  ago.  I have owned a C-152, C-177, C-150 and an E35  Bonanza and currently live at Eagle's Nest Estates airpark (with hangar).   The need to stay in the air without a medical is driving my desire to build a  601XL.

  

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 Regards,

  

 Bob Tezyk

Midlothian, TX 

601XL QB/ 3300: Rudder  Workshop and kit pickup Jan 19, 2007

bob(at)eaglesnestestates.org (bob(at)eaglesnestestates.org)

http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=28&catid=23

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Bill(at)flyinmiata.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

May as well dive in, even though I usually just read.  Bailed out of engineering school after a couple years, started fixing Porsches  and Audis. Had a shop in NJ doing just Porsche, Audi and VW, then bought one of  the first Miatas back in '89. Moved to CO in '96, haven't touched a German car  since, now we pimp performance parts (mainly turbo kits we designed  in-house) to Miata owners. Started on my private three years ago, soloed,  ready for written and my teacher got fired about the same time I got real busy  at work, haven't flown since. Have a 601hd in the garage I bought partly built,  along with a stratus subaru (yes, I've redone the valve guides). Haven't really  done much with the plane yet, but to warm up I'm building a Westfield Lotus  Se7en kit car. Lots of pop rivets! I think the plane may have to wait for  retirement, but knowing me when it finally flies it'll eventually be  turbocharged. Lots of tall mountains around here and pretty much everything I  own ends up getting a turbo.

  

 

TurboDog's Dad  

Bill Cardell  

www.flyinmiata.com  

1-800-FLY-MX5S 

970-242-3800   

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demeo(at)sonic.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: Sort of Aircraft Related

Law Professor/Lawyer - Trusts & Estates.  Raised on a farm and I've 

used a lot of bailing wire and chewing gum to fix stuff.  I've built 

and repaired a million miles of fences...This CH601XL is my first 

airplane project.  Other hobbies are woodworking and gardening.  I'm 

80% done and want to fly this bird!

Bradford J. DeMeo

Attorney At Law

Estates and Trusts

565 West College Avenue

Santa Rosa, CA 95401

(707) 545-3232

admin(at)arachnidrobotics
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

Oh, one last note.  I wouldn't use the Boeing springback calculations if you're looking for perfection.  They're perfect for Boeing, or they wouldn't be using them.  The problem is, we're not using the same equipment to form our parts as Boeing.  their calculations will easily get you close enough to fabricate good parts, but so will ZAC's.  For that matter, a standard Bend Allowance formula will  give you good results as well.

    Your best approach might be to form several parts, using whichever method you decide upon, and come up with your own bend deductions.  You'll find there will be small variations in the stretch from a variety of factors.  Simply changing the bend speed of the machine or size of the hammer will have an impact.  

    Happy Building!



    



David Downey <planecrazydld(at)yahoo.com> wrote:[quote] Hi Ron;

   

  I am still trying to make the decision between the XL and a RV9! If I do go the XL route, I will be reversing the entire design into CAD - that is just the way I like to work; it is a virtual build that really exposes questions before chips start to fall.

   

  If you are still looking then and I do go that way I would be glad to send you the templates for the form blocks. When I do the development of the patterns I will be putting the springback corrections in per the Boeing design handbook values for 6061T6 sheet.

   

  Has anyone used T4 for the formed parts? Seems like there might be a major advantage.



Ron Lalonde <rlalonde(at)HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lalonde" 



Hi Gang

Well, all  you fellas seem to have pretty illustrious careers!!

Myself, I retired from the Air Force in 1995, and am now a janitor at a 

small elementary school.

I previously built a Volksplane and have most of the major parts of a 

LongEZ in my basement.

My son and I went to Oshkosh last summer and he fell in love with the Zenith 

601XL, which I recently started building.



PS: With all you CAD people and programmers on board is there anyone of you 

that have or know where I can obtain CAD templates for the form blocks of 

the 601XL....contact me offlist...rlalonde(at)hotmail.com.....Tks



Ron Lalonde

Debert, Nova Scotia, Canada

601XL



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chris Sinfield

Joined: 28 Nov 2006
Posts: 270
Location: Sydney Australia

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:53 am Post subject: Re: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

Chris Sinfield here,

                     another one from Down Under, home of the great Jab engine.



Still in the Airforce after 27 years, C130 Aircraft mechanic (a black hander)then graduated to Flight Engineer on C130's with over 8000 hours. Did a year on B707's as a FE, then needed back on C130's as an FE instructor.



Priv Pilot with M/E for over 25 years and had my own PA 28..Got fed up with not allowed to work on my aircraft because I was Airforce trained and not CAA licenced. I had to pay the guy to do/ sign up the work I could do or did. 



So the Experimental way was for me. Bought an XL kit Feb 06 and it Arrived Jul 06 XL. my build partner is an Airforce Aircraft sheet metal worker ( I hear your crys to have a build partner like that) and best friend for over 25 years.



So far all Tail done, Flaps done, Ailerons done, LH wing done, RH started.



I am now also the Zodiac XL Australian Support group co-ordinator. we now have 27 being built / finished.

Chris 

XL Jab3300

jnjkimbell(at)HOTMAIL.COM
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

RE:  WHO ARE WE?

Well, I soloed in 1955 (J3)Joined Navy to be fighter pilot, but failed 2nd 

eye test, but got great experience as an electricians mate.  Ended up with 

ASMEL INST CFII, Ground Instructor. Owned a PT19, T34, Aero commander, Piper 

Comanche, Piper Arrow, Aztec and Cessna 411. Started building a Fokker DR1 

triplane in the 60's Found a back issue of EAA magazine with much better 

drawing that the way I was building mine, so had a great scaffold for my 

Construction business from the bottom wing spar.  As most of you know, 

starting again is much tougher than the first time. Never finished it.

 I have retired from being a Master Scuba Diving Instructor, 100 ton Masters 

(Boat Captain), Avionics Shop Owner, owner of an Aviation Insurance company, 

Insurance Broker, Real estate Broker, Treasure Hunter, Treasure Museum 

owner, Sign Shop owner, Aircraft and Marine Salvage business and Charter 

Pilot.

Joe Kimbell   65 Hrs. on CH701 (I know, some of you think I should no longer 

be allowed to call it a 701 since I removed the slats and added VG's)  Born 

1935

Roland Smith

Joined: 02 Jul 2006
Posts: 14

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

Thanks for the thread about who you are and the  messages about screwing up.   I work alone as a nonentity  on my  701 kit, mostly by choice, but occasionally feel hopelessly dumb and  isolated, especially after measuring, cutting and riveting parts to the limit of  my capabilities only to find that they are off.  Does it matter?  Am I  really a hopeless klutz or simply an irremediable obsessive compulsive.  I  constantly think of remarks by Chris.  Something like Just move  along,  but then he also said something like  I'm the builder and  should have confidence in my own product.

  

 Your posting mini portraits and sharing your  glitches gives me comfort.    It warms the messages up from  ambient temperature to 98.7 degrees.

  

 Although I'm an active member of our EAA chapter,  it is new and resources for my project are thin, at best.

  

 Retired, 75 year-old, former Anesthesiologist, 1200  hour private pilot flying a Cessna 140,  60% on 701 kit; trying to mate  rear fuselage, cabin, cabin frame and firewall.   Do they really all  go together?

  

 Roland Smith,   Bennington,  Vermont

  

  

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701 kit, Rotax 912 ULS, SensorNetics EFIS, Flying.

planejim(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

Dave,

  

 I'm a 68 year old retired Aircraft Mechanic (  A&P )/ Preflight Inspector/ Quality Department Supervisor/Manager and Repair  Station 

 Vendor Auditor all with a major Airline  ( 30 years ).  I ran my own Quality Systems Consulting business ( part time  ) after retiring from the airline so I could pay for another airplane - my  601HD. Started in aviation (5 yrs 5 mos. ) as an engine mechanic in the U.S. Air  Force in 1956 at age of 17. Have built 3 homebuilt aircraft ( including my  current 601HD ) and still fly and crash R/C airplanes. Still involved in EAA as  a volunteer ( Chairman of basic Sheet Metal Workshop at Sun-N-Fun and as  Homebuilt Campground Host and Sheet metal Workshop volunteer  at  OSH. Once held SEL and MEL Instrument Ratings but now fly as a Sport  Pilot. You might say aviation has been my life and still is!

  

 Jim Hoak

  

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gboothe(at)calply.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

Roland,  

   

Just get the parts close and duct tape will do the rest……..  

   

Seriously, you’re definitely not alone or isolated as long as you’re a part of this List. My personal opinion – Build it safe and have fun. Those are the only two rules. Everything else is gravy. Your personality will determine if you want a ‘show stopper’ or if you just want to go flying. One thing is sure – building a homebuilt airplane will test & grade all of your abilities (reading plans, planning ahead, managing money, managing time, handling tools, problem solving, etc). You will either enjoy finding your shortcomings….or not. If not, you probably won’t have much fun, because very few of fail to run into a stone wall somewhere along the line.  

   

I share your gratitude for the List. It is a great source of confidence.  

   

Gary Boothe 

 Cool, CA 

 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, 

 Tail done, wings done, working on c-section   

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From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland Smith

 Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 7:37 AM

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

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Thanks for the thread about who you are and the messages about screwing up.   I work alone as a nonentity  on my 701 kit, mostly by choice, but occasionally feel hopelessly dumb and isolated, especially after measuring, cutting and riveting parts to the limit of my capabilities only to find that they are off.  Does it matter?  Am I really a hopeless klutz or simply an irremediable obsessive compulsive.  I constantly think of remarks by Chris.  Something like Just move along,  but then he also said something like  I'm the builder and should have confidence in my own product.  

    

   

    

Your posting mini portraits and sharing your glitches gives me comfort.    It warms the messages up from ambient temperature to 98.7 degrees.  

    

   

    

Although I'm an active member of our EAA chapter, it is new and resources for my project are thin, at best.  

    

   

    

Retired, 75 year-old, former Anesthesiologist, 1200 hour private pilot flying a Cessna 140,  60% on 701 kit; trying to mate rear fuselage, cabin, cabin frame and firewall.   Do they really all go together?  

    

   

    

Roland Smith,   Bennington, Vermont  

    

   

    

   

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cortsims

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 3
Location: Post Falls, Idaho

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:10 am Post subject: Sort of Aircraft Related

Retired archaeologist, historian



Got the 701 plans about 1 year ago but have not progressed very far.  I 

decided in September to become a

full time student in machine technology at a local college in order to learn 

a few things about working with metal.

I am also constructing a storage building to keep all of the all things I 

took out of the garage to make way for the shop.

Once I have these two items taken care of, work on the plane should start in 

earnest.  Well right after I reroof the house....



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Cort Sims,

cortsims(at)verizon.net

joeing701(at)internet.is
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

Hello Bill and list members.



I am sorry to say that I have not had the chance to try out the plane in 

an icy conditions. We have had mild winter so far. No snow in December 

and the temps around 40-45°F. I hope this may change in January so we 

can do some frozen lake landings. I have had some time in my Kolb 

Firestar on a frozen lake, and for those who have tried that kind of 

runway, the braking action is very poor, but you just have to turn off 

the engine prior to stopping, no problem.

We are trying to negotiate with the people in Greenland to swap names of 

our countries. No solid conclusions at this time but we are still 

working on it.



Best wishes from Iceland.



Johann G.

naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: Sort of Aircraft Related

Cort-

    1. Building will teach you more than any ivory tower. Figure the price 

of raw materials to fix up your screw ups as tuition.

    2. Watch out for the building projects. I had no choice but to blow most 

of the year and more money than I have in my project to build my new shop. 

To add insult to injury, my son helped me move my c-section back to it's 

building jig and remarked "You should have built a bigger shop".

    Everything's a trade-off.

    Good building.

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Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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		   full time student in machine technology at a local college in order to 

 learn

 a few things about working with metal.

 I am also constructing a storage building

zodie(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

Over the last 40 years I was lucky enough to have a job building, testing 

and modifying some of the coolest air vehicles that Lockheed and Northrop 

could come up with. I enjoyed it immensly! But nothing came close to the 

feeling I got when the Zodiac was finished December 17th, 2003

http://www.lightflyers.com/birthday



Rick Pitcher

CH601HD/3300

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

Johann-

    Global warming in two senses of the phrase. Thanks for taking a light 

statement in the spirit it was intended.

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Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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marinegunner(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

Hi Al,

 Time to join the Marine Air Traffic Control Association. Send a private email and I will give you some particulars. Love to have you aboard. We have a great time.

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-- 

Semper Fi,

Steven R. Hulland

CH 600 Taildragger

Amado, AZ



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chrisoz(at)bmail.com.au
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

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Hello Listers, Happy New Year!



I am 42 years old and an Environmental Scientist over here in Australia.

Have built 4 Zodiacs up to now, more or less customised, all taildraggers.

 Currently at work on a XL based tandem taildragger with the cockpit

canopy of a Fiat G91 Gina (NOS).  Already thinking asbout my next 'stock'

HD, as light as possible with a Rotax 914 turbo.  Should climb like a

homesick angel...



Chris Weber

vgstol(at)bigpond.net.au
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

RE:  WHO ARE WE?

Gday All,

Born on a farm in Alberta Canada 1939.  Afflicted by very itchy feet so 

dropped out after two years engineering school and hit the road for many 

years.  Visited 80 countries and worked in 20.  Mostly in precision 

navigation for offshore oil exploration and rig location, using Raydist and 

Shoran and the very first civilian Sat Nav equipment.  Finally settled in 

Australia when I got sick of living out of a suitcase and could no longer 

bear not having my own workshop.  Now semi-retired, and full-time occupied 

in my really good workshop, building, modifying, tinkering, testing and 

flying homebuilt and experimental aircraft.  Last night (New Years Eve here 

already) I camped with some flying friends on an uninhabited airstrip near 

the beach on the east coast.  Went to bed early, then fired up the Rotax at 

very first light this morning and climbed to meet the first rays of the 

rising sun at 2800 ft.  Maybe the first in Australia except high-flying jet 

jockeys to greet the sun in 2007....  Flew slowly around some puffy pink 

clouds, then cut the switches and glided down silently to the grass strip, 

getting there just as the sun flooded the land.  Waaaaa-Hoo!  What a way to 

start the new year!!!

JG

Long time and still lover of the 701, but right now flying a Savannah with 

VGs on its30 ft wing, thus the 500 fpm gentle descent at 40 kts (8:1 glide 

ratio), even with that big 4-blade prop stopped.  Some day I want to build a 

701 with a new wing that can do even better than that......



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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: SORT OF AIRCRAFT RELATED

Jim, you left out your biggest accomplishment ! You Tech Counseled me (the three thumb guy) through building that XL setting over at Thomaston airport.  On the same front, does your offer to teach me some metal work for this RV-8 still go ?  I have just about collected most of the tools I think I'll need, plus some that just look cool on my wall, but I'm not sure what they do. If you can find the time in the near future I would be make myself available no matter when. I am raring to get to building, but I don't know where to start. Hope to hear from you, Best regards, Bill  [quote][b]

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