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lcottrell
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 Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: radios, capacitor and observations on dead stick |
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I was finally able to fly today to check out my radio problems. I replaced my coax cable and since I haven't been to town, (Boise- 130 miles) I flew without a capacitor. I had not been able to do so before because I was waiting for some tire tubes and a new battery. The radio worked just like it always had. The wife could hear a lot of exhaust noise, but no static. My reception was good as well. The radio that she was using needed a new battery, but this was the first time I could hear her while flying. I think I am going to look into a base station for the place. Any good deals out there?
Since I had a new battery and in air restarts were possible, I took it up to 1000 agl cut the engine and established a glide, then checked to see how much altitude I lost in making a 180 turn. One thing that I noticed was that I really had to watch my air speed. I came dangerously close to holding too much up stick several times. As near as I could figure I lost close to 500 feet in just making a 180. This follows what had been posted on the list before, so it isn't new. However hearing and seeing are two different things. I am going to redo this until I get to the point that I know without looking what is too low.
Larry, Oregon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: Re: radios, capacitor and observations on dead stick |
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Good info on the 180 ....Thanks
I'm not ready to turn off the key in flight , So your info will be in the back of my mind...
Maybe if I flew in the Winter , Over a frozen lake I could do some experimenting without worry....I guess you've got alot of flat desert below
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: radios, capacitor and observations on dead stick |
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Larry, If you're going to transmit from your base station, you'll need a radio with a current bandwidth split, so you don't bleed over into other channels. You can probably pick up a good used handset like the Icom A-3 or A-4 for the house. If you just want to listen, then a good old 360 channel radio should do just fine. These can be had for $50 bucks or less from ebay. Might check with an avionics shop or ask around the next time your out hangar flying.
I'm not an FCC knowledgable guy, but you might need a license for the base station.
Rick
On 1/9/07, Larry Cottrell < lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com (lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com)> wrote:[quote] I was finally able to fly today to check out my radio problems. I replaced my coax cable and since I haven't been to town, (Boise- 130 miles) I flew without a capacitor. I had not been able to do so before because I was waiting for some tire tubes and a new battery. The radio worked just like it always had. The wife could hear a lot of exhaust noise, but no static. My reception was good as well. The radio that she was using needed a new battery, but this was the first time I could hear her while flying. I think I am going to look into a base station for the place. Any good deals out there?
Since I had a new battery and in air restarts were possible, I took it up to 1000 agl cut the engine and established a glide, then checked to see how much altitude I lost in making a 180 turn. One thing that I noticed was that I really had to watch my air speed. I came dangerously close to holding too much up stick several times. As near as I could figure I lost close to 500 feet in just making a 180. This follows what had been posted on the list before, so it isn't new. However hearing and seeing are two different things. I am going to redo this until I get to the point that I know without looking what is too low.
Larry, Oregon
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APilot(at)webtv.net
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:39 am Post subject: radios, capacitor and observations on dead stick |
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Do you have flaps on your airplane? 500 ft loss in a 180 degree turn is
lot.
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Eugene Zimmerman
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: radios, capacitor and observations on dead stick |
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Nope,
It is very good if it is a mile wide 180.
It just proves incomplete info is useless.
On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:39 AM, APilot(at)webtv.net wrote:
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Do you have flaps on your airplane? 500 ft loss in a 180 degree
turn is
lot.
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lcottrell
Joined: 29 May 2006
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Location: Jordan Valley, Or
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: radios, capacitor and observations on dead stick |
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<snip>
Maybe if I flew in the Winter , Over a frozen lake I could do some experimenting without worry....I guess you've got alot of flat desert below
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Do you have flaps on your airplane? 500 ft loss in a 180 degree turn is
lot.
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Nope,
It is very good if it is a mile wide 180.
It just proves incomplete info is useless.
I think the reason that I lost so much altitude in my turn was because I was in a mush condition. As I said in my earlier post, I found it a lot more difficult than I thought it would be to maintain adequate air speed. My tendency was to fly it the same way and attitude as when the motor was running. This is not what was needed. (I recall once over the Alvord Desert, I did some dead stick landings trying to find out which speed would give me the longest glide. I did two four mile glides, one at 45 mph the other at 55. The actual landing spot was less than 100 yards apart.) As I said in my earlier post, I found myself doing between 40 and 45. Not what I wanted and definitely in a mush, still controllable, but mush none the less. As for being able to land on the flat desert- well you aren't going to run into anything, but the result will still be upside down. Two foot high sage is not very forgiving.
It is true that the info is incomplete, the only thing that I learned is that I didn't know as much about the situation as I thought I did, and that I am going to learn more. One thing that I have found over the last year is that when the fan isn't running and the situation is critical, I have a tendency to do what I have been doing. In other words my actions become automatic. So in that case the actions need to be practiced until the proper evasive action takes place.
I actually did a 360 turn, started at 1000 agl. The first 180 was a lot flatter, I think because I was a lot more comfortable with the altitude, and I flew it better (faster). The second was the eye opener, where I found myself looking at the ground and subconsciously pulling more elevator, thus losing more altitude. The turns were tight as they would be if I were in a take off condition.
You will never be able to get complete information, unless we can talk Jack into making it. 
Larry, Oregon
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HShack(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: radios, capacitor and observations on dead stick |
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In a message dated 1/10/2007 8:40:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, APilot(at)webtv.net writes:
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Yeah, I can do it in 200 ft. in my FSII [barely}.
Howard Shackleford
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possums(at)bellsouth.net
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: radios, capacitor and observations on dead stick |
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At 08:46 PM 1/10/2007, you wrote:
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Great Video Possums!..
Shows how good a Kolb flies with a fella sitting on the horizontal,
one hand wrapped around the rudder..holding the camera!
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Don G
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Well .... I put a saddle on the boom tube for anyone that wants a ride.
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