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planecrazzzy
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 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: Navman 2100 or miZer scam |
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Hi guys,
Just thought I would archive this, maybe help somebody from
getting scammed by Aircraft Spruce..... I like them, but this little stunt
really ticks me off....
After the discussion about the Navman 2100.....I noticed that my
miZer also said navman on it.....Then, I noticed how "miZer" was just
a sticker.....
This morning I went out and removed the sticker.....see pictures
So they put a penny sticker on a Navman 2100 and charged $328 for
a $116 dollar gauge...
I hope anybody looking for a Fuel gauge/ Fuel flow meter is warned
by this post NOT to buy a miZer ( unless you just have too much money)
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
PS does anybody know if ACS&S can be gone after for FRAUD
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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: Navman 2100 or miZer scam |
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In a message dated 1/13/2007 9:57:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com writes:
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Hey thats the same guage I have after you removed the camoflage sticker sorry they sucked you in on that one Mike
Ellery
do not archive [quote][b]
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rlaird
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: Navman 2100 or miZer scam |
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Couple of years ago, I asked around about this... The Mizer people claim that their transducer (i.e., the device that the gas actually flows through) is better than the one that comes with the Navman device. They claimed the Navman had a higher differential pressure between the incoming and outgoing flow and that that could make a difference.
Now, I used a Navman for 2 years in a RANS S12XL w/ 503 without a single blip, so even if Mizer does have a better transducer, I don't think it's necessary for our installations.
More importantly, if they are TRULY using a better transducer, then they may be justified in raising the price. Then the decision is our as to whether the better transducer is worth the extra money. In my opinion, it's not, which is why I bought a Navman for my Kolb.
-- Robert
P.S. A fuel flow meter, in my humble opinion, while not a critical instrument like an air speed indicator or CHT gauge, it ranks right up there with the 2nd layer of important instruments. I had a situation with my RANS that was very subtle, once caused an engine-out on climb-out (no resulting damage) and would have been impossible to figure out had I not had the Navman in place. By seeing that, only in high flow situations, my fuel flow wasn't what it had been and should be, I was able to narrow down the problem to my electric fuel pump. Turned out one of the check valve balls in it got stuck and was restricting the flow, but during most situations, it wasn't noticeable. Only once, during a full-throttle climb-out, did I use up more fuel than could be supplied, and thus the engine-out. There were a few times when I was flying straight-and-level at full throttle that it seems the engine wasn't quite getting ample fuel (a microsecond hesitation, from time to time), and the Navman helped me figure it out. I highly recommend you put one in your UL/LSA, if you at all can.
On 1/13/07, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com (planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com (planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com)>
Hi guys,
Just thought I would archive this, maybe help somebody from
getting scammed by Aircraft Spruce..... I like them, but this little stunt
really ticks me off....[b]
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formerly: MkIIIc w/ 912ULS & Gyrobee
current: Autogyro Cavalon w/ 914ULS
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planecrazzzy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: Re: Navman 2100 or miZer scam |
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I called ACS&S to find out about this scam...
I gave my cust number, but she had "No Record" of me buying a miZer
I asked her if she was searching back very far...she said yes , 2004...
She wanted to know if I had the reciept , I said of course , you build a plane you save reciepts....( I had to look for it )
I called back , luckly I talked to the same person....
Now I had the reciept....( purchased 06-01-2004 )it wasn't matching anything that she had,
Something is real funny here....and I don't mean Ha ha....
It's like they knew it was fraud, so things were being covered up ???
I don't know but I have to call back Monday to talk with a different customer service person....
I told them I want something done about this , I'm not gonna take this...
If they can't straighten it out with me....Then I'll spread the word
about this their bad practice in buisness...
What say you Jack Hart....Looked under that sticker yet....
Wonder if they have a record of "your" miZer purchase...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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WillUribe(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: Navman 2100 or miZer scam |
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Hi Mike,
I was looking at your picture and noticed you had a EIS. Just wondering why didn't you get the fuel flow/gauge option with your EIS? I have it on my FireStar and it work great.
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
El Paso, TX but working in Sonora, Mexico
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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APilot(at)webtv.net
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: Navman 2100 or miZer scam |
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Re: Gas quantity. In my Mark III Classic, I can see the fuel level in
the starboard tank, so I made fuel selector valves to direct the fuel
injection return line to either tank. So, when the fuel level gets low
in the starboard tank I run off some from the port tank. When the port
tank is empty, I can see how much fuel that is left. Not fancy, but it
works. Also, I carry a small mirror for seeing things behind me such as
elevator and rudder movement and other traffic. It also helped in
trimming the flaps and ailerons to be able to see them under flight
loads.
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