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kitfox(at)bresnan.net
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: rims

Would any one on the list have a set of alum 8" rims that fit the

 KF model 1 in their hanger or garage , they would be willing to

 sell ?

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Dwayne

Joined: 15 Apr 2006
Posts: 13

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: rims

I believe that Douglas Wheel still make the ones that you are talking about and they're pretty inexpensive. You will have to fabricate and weld the blocks for the rotors though. They were around $30 a while back.

dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: rims

Dwayne , thank you for that and it you can find them for 30$ let me know.

I am going to put on the new tires on existing rims this week I hope.

Incase anyone her has done them and got tips -- let me know.

breaking the bead on the old tires is always tough.



Dave

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Tom Jones

Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 752
Location: Ellensburg, WA

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: Re: rims

Dave,

I fought with trying to break the bead on the old tire on the rim for a couple of hours then gave in and took it to the tire store to have them dismount the old tire and mount the new King Fox tire on the rim.  I had him put the tube in the new tire too.  They look pretty cool!



I was afraid of bending that aluminum wheel if I got to wild with it. 

Tom Jones

rexinator(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: rims

Dave

 I haven't changed tires on my Kitfox yet, but I've changed many tires 

on motorcycles and cars professionally. Motorcycle rims are of course 

much more related to use similar techniqes since I usually do them with 

only hand levers. I just recieved a set of those smooth tires from Mippi 

Ultralights and I'll eventually do it when the tires I've got are worn 

enough.

 I can offer advice for technique which should work for all rims. If 

someone else who has experience with the Kitfox rims responds with good 

information then use that. If not give me a shout and I'll write you 

some steps to follow.



Rex Hefferan

Colorado

M2/582

dave wrote:



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 Dwayne , thank you for that and it you can find them for 30$ let me know.

 I am going to put on the new tires on existing rims this week I hope.

 Incase anyone her has done them and got tips -- let me know.

 breaking the bead on the old tires is always tough.



 Dave

kitfoxmike

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 373

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: Re: rims

what I did to break the bead on my tires when I changed them last was to let all the air out(dah!) and then take my car and drive over the edge(close to the rim), poped the bead real nice and easy.

Fox5flyer
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: rims

Dave, my advice would be to take them to an ATV shop to remove the tires.

They have the right equipment and damage to the wheels is minimized.

Having new lugs welded on new wheels isn't a big deal, but you'll probably

need to spin them on a lathe to ensure trueness when the rotors are mounted.

Deke



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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: rims

Rex,  I would like to hear your tips.  These puppies are tough to break the 

bead.  I damaged one of my rims using a mechanical bead breaker - actually 

it was the hub that was damaged.



Lowell



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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject: rims

Rex,



Would be more than happy to hear your input.

I have done ATV ones as well and I know they are ral tough to get tbe bead 

over the bead lock rib.



I might screw up the rims  but i am going to look at it and make a tool to 

break the bead .



If i screw it up  I will be looking fora wheel soon : (

If I am  successful , well I will share as well.

Hopefully the latter.



Dave



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: rims

I used to break the bead by driving over the sidewall of the tire with

another vehicle.  Just be sure not to drive over the rim itself.



Noel



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brianm(at)snolab.ca
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: rims

Hi 

The method I have been using for years to break tire beads is to place the

jack base on the side wall next to the rim then simple jack the jack. As you

try to lift your truck the base pushes downward harder and harder breaking

the bead most times on the first try.

This works much better if using the old style bumper jack or similar.



Hope this helps 

Brian 



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rexinator(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: rims

OK here goes with my advice to change tires. Obviously these are similar 

to ATV rims and a good dealer may do it properly, but most do not 

garrantee that no damage will occur. Since many of us are DIY types we 

can enjoy the process if it doesn't get too aggravating. Changing tires 

can do that so I'll stress the most important tips. TIP NUMBER ONE: 

THINK EACH STEP THROUGH BEFORE YOU START IT AND IMAGINE WHAT MIGHT GO WRONG!



Breaking the bead is expected to be tough.

 Kitfoxmike has a good suggestion using a car to break the bead loose 

from the rim. Of course you will want to protect the rim from scratches 

so place it on something like a floor mat. First try to wedge the tire 

in place under the car tire.  I suggest someone to drive the car slowly 

while you hold the rim and let the car tire approach the kitfox tire/rim 

so as to entirely miss the rim (this may seem obvious, but advice like 

this shouldn't allow anything unsaid.) What you are wanting to do is 

pinch the tire just enough accomplish the task. This might best be done 

in small "bites". You may not need to drive onto the maximum amount of 

kitfox tire to get it done. Make sure that both sides of the rim are 

loose before going on to the next step.



If this doesn't work, here's what we do when we get a motorcycle flat 

out in the boonies to break the bead while on the side of the trail. Use 

the kick stand and lean the weight of the motorcycle at the edge of the rim.



 You may want to get 2 or 3 tire levers from a motorcycle shop to work 

the tire off the rim. Place the wheel on the floor mat and get ready to 

remove the tire from the rim.There are also accessories called rim 

protectors which may help protect the rim from tire lever damage. The 

biggest advice here is: TIRE LEVERS SHOULD ONLY LEVER SMALL SECTIONS OF 

BEAD AT A TIME. Use a very small amount of dishwashing liquid in water 

to lubricate the tire bead only just where it will roll over the rim.



 MAKE SURE YOU HOLD AS MUCH BEAD INTO THE LOWEST AREA OF THE INTERIOR OF 

THE RIM WHILE YOU LEVER THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BEAD A LITTLE AT A TIME 

OVER THE OUTSIDE OF THE RIM. You should be knelling with your knees 

holding the tire beads in position.  Position the "spoon" of a lever 

under the lip of the rim and hook  under the bead. Try to fit 2 levers 

side by side near each other (maybe an inch or 2 apart) and move one 

lever at a time to work the bead off the rim. Once you get the second 

lever rotated and i'st part of the bead over the rim you should be able 

to pull the first one free and position it on the other side of the 

second one just as close to it as you can to minimize the amount of bead 

you are attempting to lever off the rim. SMALL "BITES" is the rule here. 

Otherwise you risk bending the rim. You should not need to put very much 

force on each lever each time you rotate it over the rim edge. If you 

are having to grunt you probably aready bent a rim.



 Putting the new tire on the rim is usually much easier. Turn the spoon 

of the lever around to hook under the inside of the rim instead of the 

bead. Always  check that you have as much bead in the lowest part of the 

wheel as possible whether mounting or unmounting a tire.



Good Luck and if it gets to be too much of a challenge it's better to 

seek professional help.



 I'll be out of contact until Thursday afternoon.

Rex

Colorado



dave wrote:



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 Rex,



 Would be more than happy to hear your input.

 I have done ATV ones as well and I know they are ral tough to get tbe 

 bead over the bead lock rib.



 I might screw up the rims  but i am going to look at it and make a 

 tool to break the bead .



 If i screw it up  I will be looking fora wheel soon : (

 If I am  successful , well I will share as well.

 Hopefully the latter.



 Dave

Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: rims

I had to cut the tire off with a knife and chisel and put some antisez to  stop it from happening again mal

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smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: rims

What my father used to do with tubless tires was take

out the valve stem and hook a vacuum pump to it.



For tube tires, using the jack to press down on the

tire just missing the rim was the most controlled

method he used.



Haven't had to change mine yet....



Kurt S.



--- kitfoxmike <kitfoxmike(at)yahoo.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   what I did to break the bead on my tires when I

 changed them last was to let all the air out(dah!)

 and then take my car and drive over the edge(close

 to the rim), poped the bead real nice and easy.

 

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 kitfoxmike

 Do not archive


	


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tleiss(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: rims

I took my rims to my local golf course maintenance shop,  They have a tire

machine for the small rims. The guys there were happy to help. Took off the

old tires, I took the rims home and polished them and a few days later

brought them back and they put the tires back on.  They wouldn't even let

me buy them a beer. I did try.



Todd Leiss

Model IV Speedster 912UL



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 From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220(at)yahoo.com>

 To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 1/10/2007 7:39:04 PM

 Subject: Re: Re: rims



 

<smokey_bear_40220(at)yahoo.com>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

 What my father used to do with tubless tires was take

 out the valve stem and hook a vacuum pump to it.



 For tube tires, using the jack to press down on the

 tire just missing the rim was the most controlled

 method he used.



 Haven't had to change mine yet....



 Kurt S.



 --- kitfoxmike <kitfoxmike(at)yahoo.com> wrote:



 > what I did to break the bead on my tires when I

 > changed them last was to let all the air out(dah!)

 > and then take my car and drive over the edge(close

 > to the rim), poped the bead real nice and easy.

 > 

 > --------

 > kitfoxmike

 > Do not archive



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rexinator(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: rims

I was rushed to finish my previous post about tire changing and failed 

to remember to include the tube removal and replacement. As it turns out 

I had a change in plans and I'm back in range of the internet.

 The tube procedure is pretty simple so shouldn't cause much problem. 

Here is what I should have included.



 After working one side of the tire off the rim you then reach inside 

the tire and remove the tube. There may be a nut that holds the valve 

stem to the rim, if so you must remove it first.

 Installing a tube is the reverse of the removal steps.  There can be 

difficulty with some motorcycle tires in being able to manipulate the 

valve stem into the hole in the rim through the small gap between the 

rim and the tire bead. I don't expect this problem with the kitfox rim 

and tires. Others with experience will have to advise us of their 

experience.



 Some others have posted the use of a vehicle jack to act as a bead 

breaker and that is a great solution which I forgot about. There is the 

stated problem that they are not the style typical of most cars now days.



 I hope I've remembered the procedure completely and this helps folks 

enough to ease the process. I'll try to find the time soon to change a 

Kitfox tire myself and refine these instructions. Then I'll post it to 

the Kitfox Wikipedia and include photos. Meanwhile I'll check my email 

several times a day in case anyone would like any clarification. Just 

send me or the list your question.



 I've done a page a few years ago showing an easier and quick way to 

replace certain motorcycle fork seals without the special tools normally 

needed. Here's a link to that if anyone is interested in what the 

instructions might resemble.

www.klr650.marknet.us/*Fork*_*Seal*s.pdf



Rex

Colorado

HBN(at)srnet.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: rims

DeWayne--

     If you are still needing rims, I have a  pair from a Model III which I believe are the same ones used on the Model I. The  Parts List describes the wheels as P/N LW-27R, 8" diam., 6" wide. The hubs, P/N  LHH-14, are included, and have the bearing races, P/N LGBH-18 installed.The  wheels do have the Brake Disc mounting pads welded on. If you can use them I  would be happy to send them for $25 plus shipping.

  

         Harold  Nelson



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akflyer
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: Re: rims

If he does not want them I will take them... 



Thanks

Leni

henrysfork1(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: rims

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Let me know if DeWayne is not interested as I would be, Thanks

  

 Dee

  

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akflyer
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: Re: rims

time for a bidding war lol...

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