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Bob,
This is what I did as far as dimensions. See Vic's photos in an Excel workbook.
Dave Syvertson
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Bob and others,
The picture for the cover plate should be measured to the edge of the plate. In the picture I measured to a square I inserted instead of the cover plate shown. Sorry about the confusion.
Dave Syvertson
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Some have inquired about Aero-trim here is the info.
Aero-trim is a one man company. He does not have a website. I did find more info at www.globalav.com.au/productDetails1.asp?supplierID=30 - 45k
The contact info is
Aero-trim
1130 102 ST
Bay Harbor FL 35154
305-864-3336
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Group,
I'm sending this one more time with the attachment. I wasn't happy with the description and dimensions. Again sorry about that! Bob, the main thing is to order the access cover and backing plate and lay it out with the plate in hand before cutting. However, you could make one yourself.
Hope this helps. If not let me know. Also, if anyone has any comments feel free.
Dave Syvertson
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Gary for us poor souls overseas, can you please provide an email contact for Aero-trim?
Regards from downunder - current temp. 75F and sunny for you folks in the cold up north!
Patrick Pulis
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Adelaide
South Australia
DO NOT ARCHIVE
From: gary [mailto:speckter(at)comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, 26 January 2007 11:44 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Electric Rudder Trim
Some have inquired about Aero-trim here is the info.
Aero-trim is a one man company. He does not have a website. I did find more info at www.globalav.com.au/productDetails1.asp?supplierID=30 - 45k
The contact info is
Aero-trim
1130 102 ST
Bay Harbor FL 35154
305-864-3336
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rleffler
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Dave,
Your illustration helped immensely.
A couple questions…….
The servo arm appears not to be perpendicular to the trim tab. I’m assuming that there must not be any issues with the hinge binding, since it is this way on both your and Vic’s rudders. I guess I’m just looking for validation that isn’t the case.
I just spent about 15 minutes on Van’s site looking for the access plate information to order. I couldn’t find it. If I could trouble you to find those part numbers, I would be very appreciative.
Thanks,
Bob
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Group,
I'm sending this one more time with the attachment. I wasn't happy with the description and dimensions. Again sorry about that! Bob, the main thing is to order the access cover and backing plate and lay it out with the plate in hand before cutting. However, you could make one yourself.
Hope this helps. If not let me know. Also, if anyone has any comments feel free.
Dave Syvertson
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:31 am Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Bob, I think this is the part, if he used the same one as Vic.
From Van's, when I ordered:
Part Number: VA-195C
Quantity: 2
Unit Price: 3.80
Part Number: VA-195D
Quantity: 1
Unit Price: 2.65
I got 2 of the doublers because one builder said when he did them
they were thin so he used 2.....or maybe it was that he wrecked
one. Can't remember which right now.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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assuming that there must not be any issues with the hinge binding, since
it is this way on both your and Vic’s rudders. I guess I’m just
looking for validation that isn’t the case.
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information to order. I couldn’t find it. If I could trouble you to
find those part numbers, I would be very appreciative.
Thanks,
Bob
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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If you are looking for the parts like are used for the stall warning system, they are VA-195C for the Access Hatch Doubler and VA-195D for the Access Hatch.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 7:03 AM
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Subject: RE: Re: Electric Rudder Trim
Dave,
Your illustration helped immensely.
A couple questions…….
The servo arm appears not to be perpendicular to the trim tab. I’m assuming that there must not be any issues with the hinge binding, since it is this way on both your and Vic’s rudders. I guess I’m just looking for validation that isn’t the case.
I just spent about 15 minutes on Van’s site looking for the access plate information to order. I couldn’t find it. If I could trouble you to find those part numbers, I would be very appreciative.
Thanks,
Bob
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Subject: Re: Re: Electric Rudder Trim
Group,
I'm sending this one more time with the attachment. I wasn't happy with the description and dimensions. Again sorry about that! Bob, the main thing is to order the access cover and backing plate and lay it out with the plate in hand before cutting. However, you could make one yourself.
Hope this helps. If not let me know. Also, if anyone has any comments feel free.
Dave Syvertson
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speckter(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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He does not have an e-mail address to my knowledge.
Gary
40274
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Subject: RE: Re: Electric Rudder Trim
Gary for us poor souls overseas, can you please provide an email contact for Aero-trim?
Regards from downunder - current temp. 75F and sunny for you folks in the cold up north!
Patrick Pulis
#40299
Adelaide
South Australia
DO NOT ARCHIVE
From: gary [mailto:speckter(at)comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, 26 January 2007 11:44 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Electric Rudder Trim
Some have inquired about Aero-trim here is the info.
Aero-trim is a one man company. He does not have a website. I did find more info at www.globalav.com.au/productDetails1.asp?supplierID=30 - 45k
The contact info is
Aero-trim
1130 102 ST
Bay Harbor FL 35154
305-864-3336
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dmaib@me.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Norm does not have an email address. He is very hard of hearing and a bit forgetful. I have his rudder trim kit and he forgot to send me the instructions, so it took a couple of more calls to get them faxed to me. I have not installed it yet, but it looks like a nice quality kit. Norm is fun to talk with and pleasant to do business with. Ask him about the King of Sweden. ( a happy customer according to Norm )
David Maib
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On Jan 26, 2007, at 7:31 AM, gary wrote:
He does not have an e-mail address to my knowledge.
Gary
40274
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Patrick PulisSent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:04 PMTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: RE: Re: Electric Rudder Trim
Gary for us poor souls overseas, can you please provide an email contact for Aero-trim?
Regards from downunder - current temp. 75F and sunny for you folks in the cold up north!
Patrick Pulis
#40299
Adelaide
South Australia
DO NOT ARCHIVE
From: gary [mailto:speckter(at)comcast.net (speckter(at)comcast.net)] Sent: Friday, 26 January 2007 11:44 AMTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: RE: Re: Electric Rudder Trim
Some have inquired about Aero-trim here is the info.
Aero-trim is a one man company. He does not have a website. I did find more info at www.globalav.com.au/productDetails1.asp?supplierID=30 - 45k
The contact info is
Aero-trim
1130 102 ST
Bay Harbor FL 35154
305-864-3336
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Bob,
Sorry I can't remember the part number and can't seem to find it. For the servo I'm using the Ray Allen Co. T3-12A like Vic. You need to be aware that the arm is not centered on the servo but offset. This is why you should have the parts before cutting so you can lay it out. As far as the servo arm being perpendicular, both mine and his are. On his it looks like he put his plate parallel to the ground and then attached the servo to plate at an angle so the arm is perpendicular to the trailing edge. Also the servo would be parallel to the trailing edge. I did mine a bit different. I installed the access plate parallel to the trailing edge and not to the ground. Either way works.
I'm still putting mine together whereas Vic's flying so I may have a hick up, but I think it will work.
Dave Syvertson
40625
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Kellym
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Norm reports in the Mooney Mapa pub, that he had a very bad case of
pneumonia that required surgery on one lung, 1 month hospital stay,
month in rehab center before he could go home. So I would expect he
hasn't been too responsive.
David Maib wrote:
| Quote: | Norm does not have an email address. He is very hard of hearing and a
bit forgetful. I have his rudder trim kit and he forgot to send me the
instructions, so it took a couple of more calls to get them faxed to
me. I have not installed it yet, but it looks like a nice quality kit.
Norm is fun to talk with and pleasant to do business with. Ask him
about the King of Sweden. ( a happy customer according to Norm )
David Maib
#40559
On Jan 26, 2007, at 7:31 AM, gary wrote:
He does not have an e-mail address to my knowledge.
Gary
40274
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*Subject:* RE: Re: Electric Rudder Trim
Gary for us poor souls overseas, can you please provide an email
contact for Aero-trim?
Regards from downunder - current temp. 75F and sunny for you folks in
the cold up north!
Patrick Pulis
#40299
Adelaide
South Australia
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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*Sent:* Friday, 26 January 2007 11:44 AM
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*Subject:* RE: Re: Electric Rudder Trim
Some have inquired about Aero-trim here is the info.
Aero-trim is a one man company. He does not have a website. I did
find more info at
www.globalav.com.au/productDetails1.asp?supplierID=30
<http://www.globalav.com.au/productDetails1.asp?supplierID=30> - 45k
The contact info is
Aero-trim
1130 102 ST
Bay Harbor FL 35154
305-864-3336
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Thanks for looking.......
Now I've got a couple more...
In the pictures on Tim's site, Vic has a Ray Allen T2-7A servo. I see from Ray Allen's site tht the difference from the one you used is about a half inch in travel. Is that variance significant?
Also, do you have a source for the T adapter that is on the hinge?
Am I getting thrown off by the trim cover being parallel to the ground that makes the servo arm not to be perpedicular to the hinge?
Thanks to Tim and Jesse for providing the access cover part numbers.
Once I get all this information, I'll add to Dave's and Vic's docs and give to Tim so minimize the leg work for those that follow us.
bob
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Date: 2007/01/26 Fri AM 08:50:48 EST
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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Bob,
Sorry I can't remember the part number and can't seem to find it. For
the servo I'm using the Ray Allen Co. T3-12A like Vic. You need to be aware
that the arm is not centered on the servo but offset. This is why you should
have the parts before cutting so you can lay it out. As far as the servo arm
being perpendicular, both mine and his are. On his it looks like he put his
plate parallel to the ground and then attached the servo to plate at an angle so
the arm is perpendicular to the trailing edge. Also the servo would be
parallel to the trailing edge. I did mine a bit different. I installed the access
plate parallel to the trailing edge and not to the ground. Either way works.
I'm still putting mine together whereas Vic's flying so I may have a
hick up, but I think it will work.
Dave Syvertson
40625
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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Just to further foster the "build it yourself" mantra of late. The
"T" adapter is nothing more than 2 pieces of AL bent into opposing "L"
shapes and drilled. If you have any scrap AL sheet around (of the
proper thickness) you can easily make your own cover plates. I copied
the one that came with my kit for use in various places. No sense in
paying shipping or the handling charge for something like that. With my
hat shelf project I ended up buying a sheet of aluminum from Airparts so
I had a bunch left over for things like that. Great company and they
are always at OSH.
Vic's seems to work fine but I would think you would want at least a
total of 1" of travel on the servo. Not completely for the hinge travel
but to also allow a little more leeway in adjusting for the
installation.
Michael Sausen
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Electric Rudder Trim |
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than 2 pieces of AL bent into opposing "L" shapes and drilled. If you
have any scrap AL sheet around (of the proper thickness) you can easily make your own cover plates.
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Vic's seems to work fine but I would think you would want at least a
total of 1" of travel on the servo. Not completely for the hinge travel
but to also allow a little more leeway in adjusting for the
installation.
Michael Sausen
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The T adapter is just 2 pieces of AL. Vic's measurements as I noted in an earlier message is .5" from the hinge surface to the center of the hole for the push rod.
If you were to go with a servo different then Vic's servo which was a T2-7A as detailed in the pictures on Tim's site, you will have to change the T adapter dimensions and or geometry. With the T2-7A servo extended to its max (right deflection of the hinge) the threaded push rod is almost touching the rudder body.
As to adjustments, I set my initial dimensions up based on both of the threaded rod ends screwed all the way on with the servo centered. That way, if I need to extend the rod dimensions, I have 2 ends in which I can un-screw the rod. I would guess I would have a total of .75” that I could extend safely. And if I needed to shorten things, the rod would be easily trimmed.
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sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.c
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:28 am Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Thanks for all the info on this. This is the project I am going to tackle this weekend. I am going to add a wedge to the rudder to get it real close then I plan on using a smaller hinge as added adjustment.
At 100 hours now and I am going through everything and fixing the little things that don't work. I ordered my Aeroshell 6 grease for the prop, I had my panel dimmer control box go out on me (I guess they had a bad batch of boxes and had to rebuild it), I had a bad connector on my #2 COM (found out the connector was shorted), my wheel pants are being painted this weekend, still trying to figure out why my magnetometer on the Grand Rapids isn't working right, I'm going to check the fuel filter, and I want to add the O2 system. I added the GPS antenna from Antcom and now my Chelton works perfectly. Before I was losing GPS signal with the little antenna that D2Avionics sent with the screens.
I am planning a trip to Houston (Conroe) on Feb. 17th. I will be there all week.
So far everything has been working great (other than listed above).
I took a flight in a 172 on Monday and Wednesday and totally forgot about the killer performance of a 172. When I pushed the throttle in I had to ask the guy next to me if this was sounding normal. He thought that was pretty funny. But I just wanted to make sure. The difference was 600 RPM and about 1000 ft. of runway. It did make me aware of why the 172 is such a great and stable trainer.
Scott Schmidt
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: Electric Rudder Trim |
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Scott,
If you have time on your trip to Conroe stop in at Lockhart (50R) and the RV
crowd will treat you to some of the best Bar-B-Que in Texas.
FYI Llano (KAQO) and New Braunfels (KBAZ) have $3.00 gas. If you do stop in
Llano take the courtesy car to Coopers for a great meal.
Mark
N410MR
[quote]From: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com>
Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Electric Rudder Trim
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:26:47 -0700
Thanks for all the info on this. This is the project I am going to tackle
this weekend. I am going to add a wedge to the rudder to get it real close
then I plan on using a smaller hinge as added adjustment.
At 100 hours now and I am going through everything and fixing the little
things that don't work. I ordered my Aeroshell 6 grease for the prop, I
had my panel dimmer control box go out on me (I guess they had a bad batch
of boxes and had to rebuild it), I had a bad connector on my #2 COM (found
out the connector was shorted), my wheel pants are being painted this
weekend, still trying to figure out why my magnetometer on the Grand Rapids
isn't working right, I'm going to check the fuel filter, and I want to add
the O2 system. I added the GPS antenna from Antcom and now my Chelton
works perfectly. Before I was losing GPS signal with the little antenna
that D2Avionics sent with the screens.
I am planning a trip to Houston (Conroe) on Feb. 17th. I will be there all
week.
So far everything has been working great (other than listed above).
I took a flight in a 172 on Monday and Wednesday and totally forgot about
the killer performance of a 172. When I pushed the throttle in I had to
ask the guy next to me if this was sounding normal. He thought that was
pretty funny. But I just wanted to make sure. The difference was 600 RPM
and about 1000 ft. of runway. It did make me aware of why the 172 is such
a great and stable trainer.
Scott Schmidt
sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com
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