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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: that old video

Get to post my tired old video again!>>



Hi,

enjoyed it again too.  The clip is just over a minute, how high were you 

when the clip started?



Switching off the engine is a little different from having it suddenly stop. 

Reaction time is different and of course you tend to switch off only when 

you are confident of reaching your strip.  No searching round looking for a 

landing spot while your flying accuracy goes to hell. Thats what throws your 

height away.



Great video



Cheers



Pat



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: that old video

No searching round looking for a

| landing spot while your flying accuracy goes to hell. Thats what 

throws your

| height away.

 | Pat

Patrick:



A good pilot always has the next best forced landing area in sight.



If I may add, once a suitable forced landing area is selected, it is 

usually best not to change one's mind.  We have some folks on this 

List that have experienced that mistake, me included.



john h

mkIII

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: that old video

good pilot always has the next best forced landing area in sight.>>



Hi John,



I agree absolutely,  but it is a counsel of perfection, and its that few 

minutes when your attention wanders that bite you in the bum. Can any of us 

say with all honesty that we know where you will land if it goes quiet NOW 

100% of the time..  Some of the stuff you fly over  and some of the 

extensive woodland that some listers have produced pics. of are pretty short 

of choices.



I agree also about not changing your mind although in my couple of `outs` I 

haven`t had time to channge my mind before I was on the ground.



Cheers



Pat



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: that old video

| 100% of the time..  Some of the stuff you fly over  and some of the

| extensive woodland that some listers have produced pics. of are 

pretty short

| of choices.

 | Pat



Patrick:



In those cases you mention above, I still take the best choice of what 

is available.



Never give up until you finish crashing.



john h

mkIII

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possums(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: that old video

At 12:15 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote:

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Get to post my tired old video again!>>



Hi,

enjoyed it again too.  The clip is just over a minute, how high were 

you when the clip started?



Cheers



Pat


	


I'd be guessing, but I think is would be 500 - 600 ft off the ground.

Then engine was turned off about 2000 ft AGL and I know

that 600 ft is too high too land in that field at that point

of the approach - so I'm guessing closer to 500. I can hear myself

saying "too high" at one point on the tape.

JetPilot

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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: Re: that old video

Where can I see this video ????

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a58r(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: that old video

Jetpilot...here's video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9177096133625180462&hl=en



regards,

Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/



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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: that old video

I think is would be 500 - 600 ft off the ground.>>



Hi Possum,



To take over a minute  from that height to the ground is very good. Better 

than my Challenger. On the other hand I had the engine quit at around that 

height and you had turned the engine off at 2000ft so you were pretty well 

sorted out to make such a good landing while I arrived too fast in a cloud 

of dust after about 30 seconds.



Incidentally I read in an article by our Popular Flying Assoc. Chief Coach 

the following points re forced landings. I have deleted stuff which does not 

apply to our sort of planes.



1.Fly the plane.

2. Fly best L/D  (around 1.4 of stall speed)

3. Turn downwind.  This will let you cover more ground and therefore give a 

wider selection of fields.

4. Pick Field.  Surface, Size, Shape, Slope, Situation.

5. Turn off engine. You do NOT want it to start again just when you are 

lined up.



Of course if you have time get off a MAYDAY. (Possum from 2000 ft had enough 

time to make a cup of tea.)



Farnborough, our main testing and research centre, reckon that an `unalerted 

reaction time` is 6 seconds.



Unless your plane has lots of inertial energy (ours dont) and you have high 

skill levels (which of course we all have) do NOT attempt to turn back in 

the event of an engine failure at take off.

Use an arc of 45 degrees either side of the nose.

The RAF does not teach turn backs at all in their Grob 109 Tutors. The 

instructors are limited to 600ft minimum turn back height, less in narrow 

fields.



Fly the plane until impact no matter what you are going to hit. Lack of 

attention can stall you in and the impact even at low level could drop the 

engine on you. Flying into the far hedge at 20 mph is better than into the 

near hedge at 60.



Most of this is familiar to many of us but in the light of recent discussion 

I thought it was relevant.



Cheers



Pat

possums(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: that old video

At 07:44 AM 1/27/2007, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



I think is would be 500 - 600 ft off the ground.>>



Hi Possum,



To take over a minute  from that height to the ground is very good. 

Better than my Challenger. On the other hand I had the engine quit 

at around that height and you had turned the engine off at 2000ft so 

you were pretty well sorted out to make such a good landing while I 

arrived too fast in a cloud of dust after about 30 seconds.


	


I had plenty of time to set up the landing, that's why I think the 

altitude was about right.

That camera had a wide angle lens on it to get the wings in the shot, 

so it makes things

look a little farther away than the really are.

First time I cut my engine off, I was going to restart about 800 

feet. I got so excited after

flying my "glider" down from 3,000 ft, that I forgot to turn on the 

ignition and had to land deadstick.

That is a common mistake, I hear.



BTW : It doesn't mater how you juggle the coke or the throttle, it 

still won't crank

with the ignition off.



It's cold out there so here's another old video from a few summers ago called

"We're pretty normal people .....most of the time"



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6342651231744705575

JetPilot

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Posts: 1246

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: that old video

That last video was awesome possums.  I had not seen that before, im sure there are many newcommers to the list that are seeing these videos for the first time.  Keep on posting  



Where was the beach video done ?  Also, on the video of the glide to landing, how did you mount the camera to the tail of your kolb ?



Mike

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: that old video

We're pretty normal people>>



Hi Possum,



I really liked that video. What freedom you guys have,  and room of course. 

There is probably not a beach in the UK as empty of people as that.



I like the soundtrack. Who was it, sounded like Jimmy Buffet to me. He is 

almost unknown here but i like his Margaritaville stuff.



Cheers



Pat

knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: that old video

NICE footage..



  A buddy and I did much the same thing on part 103 Trikes from the 

Plumb Island Airport on the NH Coast...

  We flew the length of the NH Coast line ( Only About 13 miles )  

Then returned to the Airport for a

 not so warm welcome...



Some along the beach called the airport and complained  we were flying 

too close and too low...

but truth be told we were out over the water MOST of the time  



BTW

Thats only 13 miles of the USAs 12,383 miles of Coast line that we got 

yelled at for over  flying  8-/ sad HuH

http://www.teachervision.fen.com/maps/bodies-of-water/725.html



 Mark Vaughn



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John Hauck

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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: that old video

| Where was the beach video done ?   |

| Mike

Mike B:



Believe that beach was on St George Island on the Northwest Florida 

coast, not far from where I grew up in Tallahassee, Florida.



I have been fortunate to fly this beach many times over the years.



john h

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biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: that old video

I loved that video the 1st time I saw it, and enjoyed it just as much now. 

What a way to go.  Living in Possum-land can't be ALL bad. 

Lar.                     Do not Archive.



Larry Bourne

Santa Fe, NM

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JetPilot

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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: that old video

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  



Believe that beach was on St George Island on the Northwest Florida 

coast, not far from where I grew up in Tallahassee, Florida.



	




I know Tallahassee very well, where did you live John ?  I lived there for 4 years while I went to FSU.   I flew my Cessna 150 all over that area, based my plane at Bainbridge for a while and then at the big airport in tallahassee.  Did you ever fly out to Dog island ?   I should have recognized that coastline, but I did not buzz the beaches as often as I should have      I much prefered to fly down the apalachicola river at 10 feet as it wound its way south, and low over the bean and cotton fields near bainbridge.  



I was flying trail formation over the river with my friend one day, my friend flew past a fishing boat and I saw the guys head follow my friends plane, so I went over him at 10 feet and 100 MPH.   The next day some dude went to the bainbridge airport looking for this idiot that almost knocked him out of his boat.  Luckily the line guy was my buddy and assured the guy that no pilots that fly out of that airport would do such a thing 



My buddy used to fly circles around the 22 nd floor of the Florida state capitol building with his Cessna 140, and no one ever said a word about it.  Now that would probably get him thrown in prison.   They are doing their best to take the fun out of Aviation, but have not succeeded completely  



Michael A. Bigelow

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rlaird

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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: that old video

So, Mr. Hauck, were you ever this good?  



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUvmPj9zU64

On 1/27/07,  John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
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John Hauck

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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: that old video

| So, Mr. Hauck, were you ever this good?  

Robert L:



Well...........I didn't need a helicopter to knock the cap off a 

bottle of beer, and I used my helicopter to kill gooks, not play 

games.  



john h

mkII



PS:  Last rotary wing flight June 1976.



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biglar

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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: that old video

I keep playing this fool thing and keep grinning at it.  Dog-gone, but that 

sure looks like fun.  I emailed it to my cousin, to show her what light 

plane flying can be like............                Lar.

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Larry Bourne

Santa Fe, NM

www.gogittum.com



 	  Quote: 	
		   Here's a part of a video that a friend called "Possums" sent to me a few 

 years ago.  He lives in Atlanta, Georgia, and took this video on a trip to 

 an island south of Pensacola, Florida.  This is what I dream of someday 

 doing in my plane, if I ever get it flying.                        Lar.



 Larry Bourne

 Santa Fe, NM

 www.gogittum.com



> It's cold out there so here's another old video from a few summers ago 

> called

> "We're pretty normal people .....most of the time"

>

> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6342651231744705575

>

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