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Tim Juhl
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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Location: "Thumb" of Michigan
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 Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
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In my flying career there have been many instances where I needed to let go of the controls or switch hands to do some task or another. In the case of the XL I plan to leave the Y stick & install avionics and etc. favoring the left hand (but reachable from the right seat in a pinch) and install a single axis autopilot. I have flown some long trips with the center stick in my Champ and it does become uncomfortable after awhile. You find yourself switching hands to ease the ache in your shoulder.
When I had my 182 I found the autopilot to be a godsend when flying single pilot IFR. Try changing charts or writing clearances when you are bumping along in solid cloud.... Worked good for routine VFR tasks as well. With the XL you can mount an engage/disengage button on top of the stick and let "Otto" help you out. You can also put a remote button on the stick to let you flip-flop the frequencies on many radios. Have approach and tower selected while you are still some ways out...push the button when handed off.
In any case, do give some thought to CRM (cockpit resource managment) as well as comfort in whatever design you decide to go with.
Tim
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John Bolding
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
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This was discussed the last time the center stick debate was in vogue 6 weeks ago or so.
I posted that Wittman used center sticks in all his 2 seat side by side aircraft(Tailwind, Buttercup, O&O ect) and had an extension for the pilot that extended left over the pilots right leg to center of the body and then down 6" or so, easy to fit up to the "Y" and even make removeable. Just like what you drew. Got it mocked up for my 701, gonna work just fine.
All this almost 50 yrs ago.
Progress.
JB
From: Robert Schoenberger (hrs1(at)frontiernet.net)
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Subject: Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1(at)frontiernet.net (hrs1(at)frontiernet.net)>
Has anyone ever considered a removable add-on extension to the Y yoke?
Something like this:
( | o / ---- ------ \ /
Left hand ---( | __/ \/
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It would seem that this would have the advantages of easy entry
(when removed) and the dual type yoke. Robert Schoenberger 701 60%
ashontz wrote:
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japhillipsga(at)aol.com wrote:
> David, I have the dual sticks in my XL and the ability to fly left handed is extremely valuable. Fly for three really bumpy hours, reach over to adjust the air vent, pull the carb heat, pull the cabin heat knob, push in a buss breakers, change fuel tanks, flip through freqs on the radio, punch in data in the GPS, refold a chart map, unlatch and use the fire extingisher, pick your right nose hole, etc. are just a few examples of center yoke can't do's. I flew Saturday and experienced a numb right hand after about an hour. I'm building an RV-8 and had banged a couple hundred rivets over the previous few days and the impact caused the right hand some problems. Without the ability to changes hands, getting back down might have been a real problem. I've flow an HD, HDS and XL with center yokes and the dual sticks have it all over them for comfort and utility. If you have not flown a dual stick XL your welcome to come fly mine. FWIW, Bill of Georgia
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Best argument of all for dual sticks. Plus, consider that the passenger may NEED to reach some of the stuff that you designate for your left side pilots seat left hand. Having everything critical at center panel is a must. Right hand capable of being free stuff is critical too, especially for a righty. With the center stick you are extremely limited in what and how easiliy you can do stuff with that right hand with your left hand awkwardly crossed in front of your chest holding the stick. Just look at any Cessna 152 panel, it's arranged s that uber-critical stuff can be accessed by either pilot or passenger in the center. The dual controls allow for much easier switching of hands when needed.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
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Bill & Jay,
I had considered the "access to the nuts" issue, (that
really doesn't sound right) , but had not considered just mounting the
brackets for potential future use. Great Idea.
Lynn
Corry PA. 601XL /
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bryanmmartin
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
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I flew my Zodiac to Sun'N'Fun from Michigan in 2004. I spent most of
the 12 hours in the air with my arm laying on the arm rest flying the
plane with my thumb and forefinger on the base of the stick. The only
discomfort I had was in my legs due to the limited space to stretch
out. Those comfor-foam seats are worth every penny I spent on them. I
remember one hour flights in Cessnas that were less comfortable than
four hours in my Zodiac.
An auto-pilot would be highly desirable for such long flights because
otherwise you do have to fly the plane all the time, especially on a
warm day over the mountains.
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In my flying career there have been many instances where I needed
to let go of the controls or switch hands to do some task or
another. In the case of the XL I plan to leave the Y stick &
install avionics and etc. favoring the left hand (but reachable
from the right seat in a pinch) and install a single axis
autopilot. I have flown some long trips with the center stick in
my Champ and it does become uncomfortable after awhile. You find
yourself switching hands to ease the ache in your shoulder.
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RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
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where did you get seats..?? Joe N101HD
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bryanmmartin
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
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I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378.
http://www.seatfoam.com/
I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a
local upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200.
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<purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net>
where did you get seats..?? Joe N101HD
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
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Thanks Bryan, Joe N101HD
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
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Bryan, thx very much, think this is just what I saw (at) EAA, Have to see if
I think I can make a set. Will keep your mail for future, thx A bunch! Pat
Wisc.
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Subject: Re: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ?
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:27:32 -0500
I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378.
http://www.seatfoam.com/
I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a local
upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200.
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<purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net>
where did you get seats..?? Joe N101HD
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David X
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Princeton, NJ, USA
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Y-stick solution ! comfort ? |
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| bryanmmartin wrote: | I bought the foam from Hi-Tech foams At Sun'N'Fun 2003 for $378. http://www.seatfoam.com/
I carved the foam to shape myself and glued it together. I had a
local upholsterer sew the covers for me for about $200. |
Creapy. Kinda like making love to yourself :) LOL
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