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Gidday,
I have gone through my fair share of cable, and consequently I have bits everywhere. I have a roll of cable which appears to be galvanised, or really dull Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn’t happen. Why have nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive to the magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long suspended run, like the length in the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away, but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only imagine might have been that supplied by Europa, and I wouldn’t know because this roll has no product code or numbers on it.
My question, whilst I’d prefer to use Stainless just because it doesn’t look like it has been in the aircraft for a million years, however the gal cable (or whatever it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of bends. This is a conservative approach from gliders where control cabling can have acute bends, but we don’t have that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with Stainless Steel?
Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the help I’ve got with this sofar.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
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Tony
I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It should be fine in Oz, so long as you don't go
ocean sailing with it!
Graham
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49
Subject: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
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Gidday,
I have gone through my fair share of cable, and consequently I have bits everywhere. I have a roll of cable which appears to be galvanised, or really dull Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn’t happen. Why have nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive to the magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long suspended run, like the length in the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away, but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only imagine might have been that supplied by Europa, and I wouldn’t know because this roll has no product code or numbers on it.
My question, whilst I’d prefer to use Stainless just because it doesn’t look like it has been in the aircraft for a million years, however the gal cable (or whatever it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of bends. This is a conservative approach from gliders where control cabling can have acute bends, but we don’t have that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with Stainless Steel?
Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the help I’ve got with this sofar.
Regards
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Hi Graham,Wish I knew if it was what was supplied by Europa. I’ve had the kit too long to know, things have been moved around, and I don’t recall the Europa stuff ever being labelled.
Maybe someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part is, it looks old even though it mightn’t be. It reminds me of a Hills Hoist outside clothes line cable, but I think that is more of an Aussie thing. I actually don’t have enough Nicopress sleeves now so I’ll need more of those anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff 
You normally use Stainless Steel cable by choice don’t you??
TR
On 2 Mar 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
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I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It should be fine in Oz, so long as you don't go
ocean sailing with it!
Graham
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>
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Gidday,
I have gone through my fair share of cable, and consequently I have bits everywhere. I have a roll of cable which appears to be galvanised, or really dull Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn’t happen. Why have nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive to the magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long suspended run, like the length in the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away, but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only imagine might have been that supplied by Europa, and I wouldn’t know because this roll has no product code or numbers on it.
My question, whilst I’d prefer to use Stainless just because it doesn’t look like it has been in the aircraft for a million years, however the gal cable (or whatever it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of bends. This is a conservative approach from gliders where control cabling can have acute bends, but we don’t have that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with Stainless Steel?
Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the help I’ve got with this sofar.
Regards
Tony Renshawhttp://forums.matronics.com
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Yes, stainless was developed for yachts, sea water contamination resistant. There isn't much bending in the Europa so no worries about fatigue.
Must be the multi strand stuff though, 7X19 springs to mind but anyway it's fine wire strands for flexibility.
Graham
Also be sure you use the right crimps, plated I think, not plain copper. Get a second opinion, I not as young as I once was!
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
To: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>; europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2014, 6:04
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
Hi Graham,Wish I knew if it was what was supplied by Europa. I’ve had the kit too long to know, things have been moved around, and I don’t recall the Europa stuff ever being labelled.
Maybe someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part is, it looks old even though it mightn’t be. It reminds me of a Hills Hoist outside clothes line cable, but I think that is more of an Aussie thing. I actually don’t have enough Nicopress sleeves now so I’ll need more of those anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff
You normally use Stainless Steel cable by choice don’t you??
TR
On 2 Mar 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Tony
I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It should be fine in Oz, so long as you don't go
ocean sailing with it!
Graham
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49
Subject: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
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Gidday,
I have gone through my fair share of cable, and consequently I have bits everywhere. I have a roll of cable which appears to be galvanised, or really dull Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn’t happen. Why have nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive to the magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long suspended run, like the length in the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away, but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only imagine might have been that supplied by Europa, and I wouldn’t know because this roll has no product code or numbers on it.
My question, whilst I’d prefer to use Stainless just because it doesn’t look like it has been in the aircraft for a million years, however the gal cable (or whatever it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of bends. This is a conservative approach from gliders where control cabling can have acute bends, but we don’t have that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with Stainless Steel?
Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the help I’ve got with this sofar.
Regards
Tony [url=]Renshaw[/url][url=]http://forums.matronics.com[/url]
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Mil-DTL-83420 is the general spec that describes the requirements flight control cables
Composition A - Carbon steel, zinc, or tin over zinc coated
steel cable is stronger and stiffer than corrosion resistant steel
MIL-DTL-83420/1 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Composition A.
M83420/1-005 Indicates - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Carbon Steel,
Construction; 7 x 19, Nominal Diameter 5/32
Composition B - Corrosion resistant steel
MIL-DTL-83420/2 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Composition B.
MIL-DTL-781 - Terminal, Wire Rope Swaging, General Specification for.
use this info to find the spec of cable you have
the nicopress is usable on either. best to ck spec on swaging
the best place I know of for flight control cables is Mcfarlane aviation (USA)
also a good source for other "stuff"
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>
To: "europa-list(at)matronics.com" <europa-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
Yes, stainless was developed for yachts, sea water contamination resistant. There isn't much bending in the Europa so no worries about fatigue.
Must be the multi strand stuff though, 7X19 springs to mind but anyway it's fine wire strands for flexibility.
Graham
Also be sure you use the right crimps, plated I think, not plain copper. Get a second opinion, I not as young as I once was!
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
To: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>; europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2014, 6:04
Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
Hi Graham,Wish I knew if it was what was supplied by Europa. I’ve had the kit too long to know, things have been moved around, and I don’t recall the Europa stuff ever being labelled.
Maybe someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part is, it looks old even though it mightn’t be. It reminds me of a Hills Hoist outside clothes line cable, but I think that is more of an Aussie thing. I actually don’t have enough Nicopress sleeves now so I’ll need more of those anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff
You normally use Stainless Steel cable by choice don’t you??
TR
On 2 Mar 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Tony
I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It should be fine in Oz, so long as you don't go
ocean sailing with it!
Graham
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49
Subject: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>
Gidday,
I have gone through my fair share of cable, and consequently I have bits everywhere. I have a roll of cable which appears to be galvanised, or really dull Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn’t happen. Why have nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive to the magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long suspended run, like the length in the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away, but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only imagine might have been that supplied by Europa, and I wouldn’t know because this roll has no product code or numbers on it.
My question, whilst I’d prefer to use Stainless just because it doesn’t look like it has been in the aircraft for a million years, however the gal cable (or whatever it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of bends. This is a conservative approach from gliders where control cabling can have acute bends, but we don’t have that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with Stainless Steel?
Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the help I’ve got with this sofar.
Regards
Tony [url=]Renshaw[/url][url=]http://forums.matronics.com[/url]
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One tip for those installing rudder cables in a mono is to
run them inside the light plastic tubing (used extensively
in gliders) through the wheel well. It is virtually
friction free and protects them entirely from damp & grit.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 08:55:07 -0800 (PST)
Mike Baker <galahav(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Mil-DTL-83420 is the general spec that describes the
requirements flight control cables
 Composition A - Carbon steel, zinc, or tin over zinc
coated
steel cable is stronger and stiffer than corrosion
resistant steelÂ
Â
MIL-DTL-83420/1 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I,
Composition A.
 M83420/1-005 Indicates - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I,
Carbon Steel,
Construction; 7 x 19, Nominal Diameter 5/32
Â
Composition B - Corrosion resistant steel
MIL-DTL-83420/2 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I,
Composition B.
 MIL-DTL-781 - Terminal, Wire Rope Swaging, General
Specification for.
Â
use this info to find the spec of cable you have
the nicopress is usable on either. best to ck spec on
swaging
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the best place I know of for flight control cables is
Mcfarlane aviation (USA)
also a good source for other "stuff"
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From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>
To: "europa-list(at)matronics.com"
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Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel
Control Cable
Yes, stainless was developed for yachts, sea water
contamination resistant. There isn't much bending in the
Europa so no worries about fatigue.
Must be the multi strand stuff though, 7X19 springs to
mind but anyway it's fine wire strands for flexibility.
Graham
Also be sure you use the right crimps, plated I think,
not plain copper. Get a second opinion, I not as young as
I once was!
________________________________
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
To: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>;
europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2014, 6:04
Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel
Control Cable
Hi Graham,
Wish I knew if it was what was supplied by Europa. I’ve
had the kit too long to know, things have been moved
around, and I don’t recall the Europa stuff ever being
labelled.Â
Maybe someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part
is, it looks old even though it mightn’t be. It reminds
me of a Hills Hoist outside clothes line cable, but I
think that is more of an Aussie thing. I actually don’t
have enough Nicopress sleeves now so I’ll need more of
those anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff
You normally use Stainless Steel cable by choice don’t
you??
TR
On 2 Mar 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON
<grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> wrote:
Tony
>I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It
>should be fine in Oz, so long as you don't goÂ
>ocean sailing with it!
>Graham
>________________________________
>From:Â Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
>To:Â europa-list(at)matronics.comÂ
>Sent:Â Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49
>Subject:Â Europa or Stainless Steel Control
>Cable
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><tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
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>Gidday,
>I have gone through my fair share of cable, and
>consequently I have bits everywhere. I have a roll of
>cable which appears to be galvanised, or really dull
>Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn’t happen. Why have
>nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I
>have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The
>unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive
>to the magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but
>still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long
>suspended run, like the length in
the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away,
but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only
imagine might have been that supplied by Europa, and I
wouldn’t know because this roll has no product code or
numbers on it.Â
>My question, whilst I’d prefer to use Stainless just
>because it doesn’t look like it has been in the aircraft
>for a million years, however the gal cable (or whatever
>it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of
>bends. This is a conservative approach from gliders where
>control cabling can have acute bends, but we don’t have
>that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my
>waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with
>Stainless Steel?
>Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the
>help I’ve got with this sofar.Â
>Regards
>Tony Renshawhttp://forums.matronics.com
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Hello all,
I am skydiver since 1960, and parachutes builder since 1973, all of the
parachutes handles for reserve sport, pilot chutes, ejection seat,
military equipments are made since 1960 in stainless steel. The handle
assembly are tested in accordance with TSO C23c, d or e.
Each component are in Stainless steel, handle, cable and swaging ball,
and the cable is conform to MIL W 83420 7x7x19 Dia. 2.38 mm or similar,
nominal strength is 420 kg > 927 lbs.
These handle are perfect in the time. For example I have parachutes in
my collection with the differents harware completely rusty but the
handle cable and pins of the same origin have very beautiful aspect,
after tested these old handle, they are always conform to the TSO as
like brand new, but they have 40 years old.
The stainless steel cable 7x7x19 is best beacause this cable is very
flexible and more easy to work.
I install these cables in 1999 on my monowheel; it is interesting if
your aircraft is parked near the coast (sea) or if the place where you
park is very wet.
Note the effort on these cables on the Europa are very low.
Also if it is possible install a shrink thermo molding sleeve over the
Nicopress because they are sometimes agressive.
I agree with David, my cables run into the teflon sleeve, not in full
lenght but to 3 meters inside the cockpit module where there is friction
possible to others components for protection.
Michel AUVRAY
Mono 145
Le 02/03/2014 18:48, David Joyce a Ă©crit :
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One tip for those installing rudder cables in a mono is to run them
inside the light plastic tubing (used extensively in gliders) through
the wheel well. It is virtually friction free and protects them
entirely from damp & grit.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 08:55:07 -0800 (PST)
Mike Baker <galahav(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mil-DTL-83420 is the general spec that describes the requirements
> flight control cables
> Composition A - Carbon steel, zinc, or tin over zinc coated
> steel cable is stronger and stiffer than corrosion resistant steel
>
> MIL-DTL-83420/1 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Composition A.
> M83420/1-005 Indicates - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Carbon Steel,
> Construction; 7 x 19, Nominal Diameter 5/32
>
> Composition B - Corrosion resistant steel
> MIL-DTL-83420/2 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Composition B.
> MIL-DTL-781 - Terminal, Wire Rope Swaging, General Specification for.
>
> use this info to find the spec of cable you have
> the nicopress is usable on either. best to ck spec on swaging
> the best place I know of for flight control cables is Mcfarlane
> aviation (USA) also a good source for other "stuff"
>
> ________________________________
> From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>
> To: "europa-list(at)matronics.com" <europa-list(at)matronics.com> Sent:
> Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
>
> Yes, stainless was developed for yachts, sea water contamination
> resistant. There isn't much bending in the Europa so no worries about
> fatigue.
> Must be the multi strand stuff though, 7X19 springs to mind but
> anyway it's fine wire strands for flexibility.
> Graham
>
> Also be sure you use the right crimps, plated I think, not plain
> copper. Get a second opinion, I not as young as I once was!
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
> To: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>;
> europa-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2014, 6:04
> Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
>
> Hi Graham,
> Wish I knew if it was what was supplied by Europa. I’ve had the kit
> too long to know, things have been moved around, and I don’t recall
> the Europa stuff ever being labelled.
> Maybe someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part is, it looks
> old even though it mightn’t be. It reminds me of a Hills Hoist
> outside clothes line cable, but I think that is more of an Aussie
> thing. I actually don’t have enough Nicopress sleeves now so I’ll
> need more of those anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff
> You normally use Stainless Steel cable by choice don’t you??
> TR
>
>
> On 2 Mar 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON
> <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Tony
>> I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It should be fine
>> in Oz, so long as you don't go
>> ocean sailing with it!
>> Graham
>>
>>
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>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
>> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49
>> Subject: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
>>
>>
>>
>> <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
>>
>> Gidday,
>> I have gone through my fair share of cable, and consequently I have
>> bits everywhere. I have a roll of cable which appears to be
>> galvanised, or really dull Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn’t
>> happen. Why have nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best
>> advice I have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The
>> unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive to the
>> magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but still is drawn
>> towards the magnet on a really long suspended run, like the length in
> the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away, but it still
> attracts it. So, this other roll I can only imagine might have been
> that supplied by Europa, and I wouldn’t know because this roll has no
> product code or numbers on it.
>> My question, whilst I’d prefer to use Stainless just because it
>> doesn’t look like it has been in the aircraft for a million years,
>> however the gal cable (or whatever it is) I am told is more durable
>> especially in terms of bends. This is a conservative approach from
>> gliders where control cabling can have acute bends, but we don’t
>> have that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my waste
>> bin and use it, or should I replace it with Stainless Steel?
>> Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the help I’ve
>> got with this sofar.
>> Regards
>> Tony Renshawhttp://forums.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Pete, My use of the tube, approved by my inspector (in
fact suggested by him) is simply to cover the gap across
the wheel well. It is fixed there with a cable tie and can
readily be slid fore or aft for inspection. Regards, David
(Joyce)
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:55:22 +0000
<pjeffers(at)talktalk.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Hi David,
Whilst I do not disagree with the advantages of plastic
tubing being used in this manner, as an inspector who
each year is required by LAA to certify the condition of
these cables, I have to add that it is impossible to
inspect cables that are inside a plastic tube. Those who
have gone down this route for protection will be aware of
the work involved in gaining visual access to the entire
length of cable that lies out of sight.
Pete Jeffers LAA Insp.
From: David Joyce
Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎2‎ ‎March‎ ‎2014 ‎17‎:‎48
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
<davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
One tip for those installing rudder cables in a mono is
to
run them inside the light plastic tubing (used
extensively
in gliders) through the wheel well. It is virtually
friction free and protects them entirely from damp &
grit.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 08:55:07 -0800 (PST)
Mike Baker <galahav(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mil-DTL-83420 is the general spec that describes the
>requirements flight control cables
> Composition A - Carbon steel, zinc, or tin over zinc
>coated
> steel cable is stronger and stiffer than corrosion
>resistant steel
>
> MIL-DTL-83420/1 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I,
>Composition A.
> M83420/1-005 Indicates - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I,
>Carbon Steel,
> Construction; 7 x 19, Nominal Diameter 5/32
>
> Composition B - Corrosion resistant steel
> MIL-DTL-83420/2 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I,
>Composition B.
> MIL-DTL-781 - Terminal, Wire Rope Swaging, General
>Specification for.
>
> use this info to find the spec of cable you have
> the nicopress is usable on either. best to ck spec on
>swaging
>
> the best place I know of for flight control cables is
>Mcfarlane aviation (USA)
> also a good source for other "stuff"
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>
> To: "europa-list(at)matronics.com"
><europa-list(at)matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel
>Control Cable
>
>
>
> Yes, stainless was developed for yachts, sea water
>contamination resistant. There isn't much bending in the
>Europa so no worries about fatigue.
> Must be the multi strand stuff though, 7X19 springs to
>mind but anyway it's fine wire strands for flexibility.
> Graham
>
> Also be sure you use the right crimps, plated I think,
>not plain copper. Get a second opinion, I not as young as
>I once was!
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
> To: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>;
>europa-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2014, 6:04
> Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel
>Control Cable
>
>
>
> Hi Graham,
> Wish I knew if it was what was supplied by Europa. I’ve
>had the kit too long to know, things have been moved
>around, and I don’t recall the Europa stuff ever being
>labelled.
> Maybe someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part
>is, it looks old even though it mightn’t be. It reminds
>me of a Hills Hoist outside clothes line cable, but I
>think that is more of an Aussie thing. I actually don’t
>have enough Nicopress sleeves now so I’ll need more of
>those anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff
> You normally use Stainless Steel cable by choice don’t
>you??
> TR
>
>
>
>
> On 2 Mar 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON
><grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Tony
>>I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It
>>should be fine in Oz, so long as you don't go
>>ocean sailing with it!
>>Graham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
>>To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
>>Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49
>>Subject: Europa or Stainless Steel Control
>>Cable
>>
>>
>>
>><tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
>>
>>Gidday,
>>I have gone through my fair share of cable, and
>>consequently I have bits everywhere. I have a roll of
>>cable which appears to be galvanised, or really dull
>>Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn’t happen. Why have
>>nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I
>>have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The
>>unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive
>>to the magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but
>>still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long
>>suspended run, like the length in
> the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away,
>but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only
>imagine might have been that supplied by Europa, and I
>wouldn’t know because this roll has no product code or
>numbers on it.
>>My question, whilst I’d prefer to use Stainless just
>>because it doesn’t look like it has been in the aircraft
>>for a million years, however the gal cable (or whatever
>>it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of
>>bends. This is a conservative approach from gliders where
>>control cabling can have acute bends, but we don’t have
>>that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my
>>waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with
>>Stainless Steel?
>>Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the
>>help I’ve got with this sofar.
>>Regards
>>Tony Renshawhttp://forums.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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imho plastic tube is a good idea. If the tube is split the cable can be sprung out of it for
inspection , then popped back in. I think Lancairs specify nylon tube to duct the rudder cables.
A few of those in the UK. Find an inspector who does Lancairs?
Graham
From: David Joyce <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, 3 March 2014, 9:09
Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)>
Pete, My use of the tube, approved by my inspector (in fact suggested by him) is simply to cover the gap across the wheel well. It is fixed there with a cable tie and can readily be slid fore or aft for inspection. Regards, David (Joyce)
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 08:55:22 +0000
<pjeffers(at)talktalk.net (pjeffers(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:
[quote] Hi David,
Whilst I do not disagree with the advantages of plastic tubing being used in this manner, as an inspector who each year is required by LAA to certify the condition of these cables, I have to add that it is impossible to inspect cables that are inside a plastic tube. Those who have gone down this route for protection will be aware of the work involved in gaining visual access to the entire length of cable that lies out of sight.
Pete Jeffers LAA Insp.
From: David Joyce
Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎2‎ ‎March‎ ‎2014 ‎17‎:‎48
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)>
One tip for those installing rudder cables in a mono is to run them inside the light plastic tubing (used extensively in gliders) through the wheel well. It is virtually friction free and protects them entirely from damp & grit.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 08:55:07 -0800 (PST)
Mike Baker <galahav(at)yahoo.com (galahav(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
> Mil-DTL-83420 is the general spec that describes the requirements flight control cables
> Composition A - Carbon steel, zinc, or tin over zinc coated
> steel cable is stronger and stiffer than corrosion resistant steel MIL-DTL-83420/1 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Composition A.
> M83420/1-005 Indicates - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Carbon Steel,
> Construction; 7 x 19, Nominal Diameter 5/32
> Composition B - Corrosion resistant steel
> MIL-DTL-83420/2 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Composition B.
> MIL-DTL-781 - Terminal, Wire Rope Swaging, General Specification for.
> use this info to find the spec of cable you have
> the nicopress is usable on either. best to ck spec on swaging the best place I know of for flight control cables is Mcfarlane aviation (USA) also a good source for other "stuff"
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)>
> To: "europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)" <europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)> Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
>
>
> Yes, stainless was developed for yachts, sea water contamination resistant. There isn't much bending in the Europa so no worries about fatigue.
> Must be the multi strand stuff though, 7X19 springs to mind but anyway it's fine wire strands for flexibility.
> Graham
>
> Also be sure you use the right crimps, plated I think, not plain copper. Get a second opinion, I not as young as I once was!
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>
> To: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)>; europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2014, 6:04
> Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
>
>
> Hi Graham,
> Wish I knew if it was what was supplied by Europa. I’ve had the kit too long to know, things have been moved around, and I don’t recall the Europa stuff ever being labelled. Maybe someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part is, it looks old even though it mightn’t be. It reminds me of a Hills Hoist outside clothes line cable, but I think that is more of an Aussie thing. I actually don’t have enough Nicopress sleeves now so I’ll need more of those anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff
> You normally use Stainless Steel cable by choice don’t you??
> TR
>
>
>
>
> On 2 Mar 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
>
> Tony
>> I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It should be fine in Oz, so long as you don't go ocean sailing with it!
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>
>> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49
>> Subject: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
>>
>>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>
>>
>> Gidday,
>> I have gone through my fair share of cable, and consequently I have bits everywhere. I have a roll of cable which appears to be galvanised, or really dull Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn’t happen. Why have nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive to the magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long suspended run, like the length in
> the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away, but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only imagine might have been that supplied by Europa, and I wouldn’t know because this roll has no product code or numbers on it.
>> My question, whilst I’d prefer to use Stainless just because it doesn’t look like it has been in the aircraft for a million years, however the gal cable (or whatever it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of bends. This is a conservative approach from gliders where control cabling can have acute bends, but we don’t have that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with Stainless Steel?
>> Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the help I’ve got with this sofar. Regards
>> Tony Renshawhttp://forums.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
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Pete
If turnbuckles are installed in the rear fuselage it is a simple matter to disconnect the cables at the turnbuckles and draw the cable forward from the rudder pedal end to inspect the ¨ hidden¨ portion of cable.
Lance Sandford in OZ
On 03/03/14 18:55, pjeffers(at)talktalk.net (pjeffers(at)talktalk.net) wrote:
[quote] Hi David,
Whilst I do not disagree with the advantages of plastic tubing being used in this manner, as an inspector who each year is required by LAA to certify the condition of these cables, I have to add that it is impossible to inspect cables that are inside a plastic tube. Those who have gone down this route for protection will be aware of the work involved in gaining visual access to the entire length of cable that lies out of sight.
Pete Jeffers LAA Insp.
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I'm just fitting the rudder pedals and cables and was advised by Ivor Phillips to fit these http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/nylaflow.php
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Cable swage
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentid/99861
From: Mike Baker <galahav(at)yahoo.com>
To: "europa-list(at)matronics.com" <europa-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
Mil-DTL-83420 is the general spec that describes the requirements flight control cables
Composition A - Carbon steel, zinc, or tin over zinc coated
steel cable is stronger and stiffer than corrosion resistant steel
MIL-DTL-83420/1 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Composition A.
M83420/1-005 Indicates - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Carbon Steel,
Construction; 7 x 19, Nominal Diameter 5/32
Composition B - Corrosion resistant steel
MIL-DTL-83420/2 - Wire Rope, Flexible, Type I, Composition B.
MIL-DTL-781 - Terminal, Wire Rope Swaging, General Specification for.
use this info to find the spec of cable you have
the nicopress is usable on either. best to ck spec on swaging
the best place I know of for flight control cables is Mcfarlane aviation (USA)
also a good source for other "stuff"
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>
To: "europa-list(at)matronics.com" <europa-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
Yes, stainless was developed for yachts, sea water contamination resistant. There isn't much bending in the Europa so no worries about fatigue.
Must be the multi strand stuff though, 7X19 springs to mind but anyway it's fine wire strands for flexibility.
Graham
Also be sure you use the right crimps, plated I think, not plain copper. Get a second opinion, I not as young as I once was!
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
To: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>; europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2014, 6:04
Subject: Re: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
Hi Graham,Wish I knew if it was what was supplied by Europa. I’ve had the kit too long to know, things have been moved around, and I don’t recall the Europa stuff ever being labelled.
Maybe someone else might be able to clarify. Worst part is, it looks old even though it mightn’t be. It reminds me of a Hills Hoist outside clothes line cable, but I think that is more of an Aussie thing. I actually don’t have enough Nicopress sleeves now so I’ll need more of those anyway, so I can get some more pretty stuff
You normally use Stainless Steel cable by choice don’t you??
TR
On 2 Mar 2014, at 10:18 am, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Tony
I'd say go ahead with the galvanised steel cable. It should be fine in Oz, so long as you don't go
ocean sailing with it!
Graham
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014, 22:49
Subject: Europa or Stainless Steel Control Cable
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>
Gidday,
I have gone through my fair share of cable, and consequently I have bits everywhere. I have a roll of cable which appears to be galvanised, or really dull Stainless Steel, which I believe doesn’t happen. Why have nice shiny Stainless, if it stains. So, the best advice I have to figure out what is what is to use a magnet. The unknown roll of dull cable I have is extremely attractive to the magnet, and the Stainless is only slightly, but still is drawn towards the magnet on a really long suspended run, like the length in the aft fuselage, towards the magnet when it is mm away, but it still attracts it. So, this other roll I can only imagine might have been that supplied by Europa, and I wouldn’t know because this roll has no product code or numbers on it.
My question, whilst I’d prefer to use Stainless just because it doesn’t look like it has been in the aircraft for a million years, however the gal cable (or whatever it is) I am told is more durable especially in terms of bends. This is a conservative approach from gliders where control cabling can have acute bends, but we don’t have that. So, should I resurrect this roll of cable out of my waste bin and use it, or should I replace it with Stainless Steel?
Thanks for any advice or help, and I appreciate all the help I’ve got with this sofar.
Regards
Tony [url=]Renshaw[/url][url=]http://forums.matronics.com[/url]
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