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kitfox(at)ida.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

Hello all

 Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30  110 hp. in a model 5TD?  I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it.  Throw ideas, thoughts or experience to me.

 Thanks

 Albert Smith

 MudLake, Idaho

 5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10  hrs.



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MHastedt

Joined: 27 Aug 2006
Posts: 14
Location: College Station, TX

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:17 am Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

Hi Albert,



I am in the process of installing a Jabiru 3300 (120 HP) in my Classic IV.  I retired my semi-NSI Subaru after too many problems to list.  I'm looking forward to 50% more horsepower and over 90 less pounds.



Margaret Hastedt

College Station TX

Classic IV, 3300 -soon!



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		  >> "Albert" <kitfox(at)ida.net> 3/2/2011 11:34 PM >>>

Hello all
	


Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model 5TD?  I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas, thoughts or experience to me.

Thanks

Albert Smith

MudLake, Idaho

5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.

Aerobatics(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:56 am Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

No personal exp with Hirth but know of ...........  lots of  problems... over heating etc . all rumors to be frank.

  

 However lots of exp with Jab 3300.  Its a Beautiful engine. A jewel to  look at, very smooth and powerful. But we have 3 slsa in a training environment  that was a nightmare. Maybe as a Hobby aircraft engine it will be fine...   The 912S has proven itself to us over and over to be more complex but very very  reliable  We have flown over 2,500 hours with Jab and 3,000 with 912S

 Even on a cold day.. less than 45 F  the Jab was very difficult to  start, the 912S was like a car  didn't care....

  

 In spite of its price, the Rotax dominates the market.  We now  understand why. 

  

 Its all good enjoy!

  

 Dave

  In a message dated 3/3/2011 8:18:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,  hastedt(at)iodp.tamu.edu writes:

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		  -->    Kitfox-LisHowever lots of exp with Jab 3300t message posted by: "Margaret    Hastedt" <hastedt(at)iodp.tamu.edu>



Hi Albert,



I am in the    process of installing a Jabiru 3300 (120 HP) in my Classic IV.  I retired    my semi-NSI Subaru after too many problems to list.  I'm looking forward    to 50% more horsepower and over 90 less pounds.



Margaret    Hastedt

College Station TX

Classic IV, 3300 -soon!



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		  >>    "Albert" <kitfox(at)ida.net> 3/2/2011 11:34 PM >>>

Hello    all
	


Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a    model 5TD?  I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw    ideas, thoughts or experience to me.

Thanks

Albert Smith

MudLake,    Idaho

5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10  ========================;   the  ties  Day  ================================================               - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS  ================================================             - List Contribution Web Site  sp;                             ===================================================



	


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jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:12 am Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

Albert:

  

 A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65 hp, 2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine.  After three engines failures, and the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well known Rotax 582.  No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine problems for the last 18 years.  I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH ENGINES!!!

  

 Jose Toro

 ex-owner Kitfox II/582



 

   From: Albert <kitfox(at)ida.net>

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM

Subject: Hirth F30 thoughts



  Hello all

 Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model 5TD?  I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas, thoughts or experience to me.

 Thanks

 Albert Smith

 MudLake, Idaho

 5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.



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Aerobatics(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:38 am Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

I would like to add  I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box  IVO around 500 hours....  perfect

  

  In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,  jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		        Albert:

    

   A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65    hp, 2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine.  After three engines failures,    and the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well known    Rotax 582.  No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine problems for    the last 18 years.  I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH    ENGINES!!!

    

   Jose Toro

   ex-owner Kitfox II/582



   

         From: Albert    <kitfox(at)ida.net>

To:    kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03    AM

Subject: Kitfox-List:    Hirth F30 thoughts



      Hello all

   Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30    110 hp. in a model 5TD?  I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like    it. Throw ideas, thoughts or experience to me.

   Thanks

   Albert Smith

   MudLake, Idaho

   5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10    hrs.



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michael.logan1(at)verizon
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

Keep the basic engine, get rid of the dry sump system and gearbox.  Put an autoflight or SPG-4 gearbox on it and keep the CAP.  Ron at RAM Performance can redo the engine for you and really increase the power and smoothness, he also sells the autoflights on his engine and can put you in touch with the New Zealand factory if you want to buy it outright.  When you are finished upgrading, you will have a smooth running engine, lots of power and will have spent a lot less than buying a Rotax or Hirth.  The CAP was the only worthwhile thing that Lance had at NSI and I think he actually took the design from a German company.

 

Mike Logan

Series 5 RAM EA-81 140 CAP

Fredericksburg, VA

 

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert

Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:34 AM

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

 

Hello all



Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model 5TD?  I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas, thoughts or experience to me.



Thanks



Albert Smith



MudLake, Idaho



5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:53 am Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

Part of the Rotax dominance is that it has been around longer. I  

suspect that once Jabiru settles down and decides how it wants to  

build engines, and then leaves them alone, it will see a greater  

share of the market.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062

Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)

Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)

On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Aerobatics(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I would like to add  I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box IVO  

 around 500 hours....  perfect



 In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,  

 jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com writes:

 Albert:



 A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a  

 65 hp, 2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine.  After three engines  

 failures, and the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch  

 to the well known Rotax 582.  No more problems. I have read about  

 Hirth engine problems for the last 18 years.  I DO NOT RECOMMEND  

 HIRTH ENGINES!!!



 Jose Toro

 ex-owner Kitfox II/582



 From: Albert <kitfox(at)ida.net>

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM

 Subject: Hirth F30 thoughts



 Hello all

 Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a  

 model 5TD?  I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw  

 ideas, thoughts or experience to me.

 Thanks

 Albert Smith

 MudLake, Idaho

 5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.

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Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:55 am Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

Has anyone had experience with the Rotax 670 engine? Rotax Rick sells them on Barnstormers. From his ads he appears to be experienced in providing rebuilt Rotax engines. I thought the 670, if setup properly, might be the way to go for added power. My limited experience with my 582 leads me to recommend Rotax as a very reliable 65 HP engine. Remember this thread's question was for powering a mod 5 with 100 HP.

   

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

 Rockford, IL

 On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>

 

Part of the Rotax dominance is that it has been around longer. I suspect that once Jabiru settles down and decides how it wants to build engines, and then leaves them alone, it will see a greater share of the market.

 

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062

Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)

Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)

 



On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Aerobatics(at)aol.com (Aerobatics(at)aol.com) wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		  I would like to add  I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box IVO around 500 hours....  perfect



In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com (jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com) writes:

 Albert:



A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65 hp, 2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine.  After three engines failures, and the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well known Rotax 582.  No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine problems for the last 18 years.  I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH ENGINES!!!

 

Jose Toro

ex-owner Kitfox II/582



From: Albert <kitfox(at)ida.net (kitfox(at)ida.net)>

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

 Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM

Subject: Hirth F30 thoughts



Hello all

Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model 5TD?  I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas, thoughts or experience to me.

 Thanks

Albert Smith

MudLake, Idaho

5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.

http://www.matronics.com/Naviga========================.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matron========================= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution

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Mod 3 582 Rebuild

Rockford,IL

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aerobatics(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:57 am Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

Hi Pat

Have you flown you 3 with a 582



Dave



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kitfox(at)ida.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:06 am Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

The claimed HP is actually 110 hp. The weight is give or  take 135 complete with fans. And it is Fuel Injected.

 Albert Smith

 5TD NSI 140T

 MudLake Idaho

  



  From: Patrick Reilly (patreilly43(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:53 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Hirth F30 thoughts

 



 Has anyone had experience with the Rotax 670 engine? Rotax Rick sells  them on Barnstormers. From his ads he appears to be experienced in  providing rebuilt Rotax engines. I thought the 670, if setup properly, might be  the way to go for added power. My limited experience with my 582 leads me  to recommend Rotax as a very reliable 65 HP engine. Remember this  thread's question was for powering a mod 5 with 100 HP.

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

 Rockford, IL

 On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>  wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>



Part of the Rotax dominance is    that it has been around longer. I suspect that once Jabiru settles down and    decides how it wants to build engines, and then leaves them alone, it will see    a greater share of the market.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster,    taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062

Prince prop (64 x 30,    P-tip)

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection    (sleeved to 35mm)

Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)

On    Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Aerobatics(at)aol.com (Aerobatics(at)aol.com)    wrote:



    	  Quote: 	
		  I would like to add  I personally have a KF2 with a      582 E box IVO around 500 hours....  perfect



In a message dated      3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com (jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com)      writes:

Albert:



A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations,      decided to use a 65 hp, 2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine.  After      three engines failures, and the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to      switch to the well known Rotax 582.  No more problems. I have read      about Hirth engine problems for the last 18 years.  I DO NOT RECOMMEND      HIRTH ENGINES!!!



Jose Toro

ex-owner Kitfox II/582



From:      Albert <kitfox(at)ida.net (kitfox(at)ida.net)>

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011      1:34:03 AM

Subject: Hirth F30 thoughts



Hello      all

Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a      model 5TD?  I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw      ideas, thoughts or experience to me.

Thanks

Albert Smith

MudLake,      Idaho

5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.

http://www.matronics.com/Naviga========================.matronics.com/      href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matron========================= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution

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Mod 3 582 Rebuild

Rockford,IL

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Aerobatics(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:14 am Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

Might want to get Rotax's opinion re these engines mods... they have the  biggest data base and designed them...

  

  

  

  In a message dated 3/4/2011 1:06:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,  kitfox(at)ida.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		     The claimed HP is actually 110 hp. The weight is give    or take 135 complete with fans. And it is Fuel Injected.

   Albert Smith

   5TD NSI 140T

   MudLake Idaho

      



      From: Patrick    Reilly (patreilly43(at)gmail.com) 

   Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:53 AM

   To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com) 

   Subject: Re: Hirth F30 thoughts

   



   Has anyone had experience with the Rotax 670 engine? Rotax Rick sells    them on Barnstormers. From his ads he appears to be experienced in    providing rebuilt Rotax engines. I thought the 670, if setup properly, might    be the way to go for added power. My limited experience with my 582 leads    me to recommend Rotax as a very reliable 65 HP engine. Remember this    thread's question was for powering a mod 5 with 100 HP.

    

   Pat Reilly

   Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

   Rockford, IL

   On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)> wrote:

    	  Quote: 	
		  --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>



Part of the Rotax dominance is      that it has been around longer. I suspect that once Jabiru settles down and      decides how it wants to build engines, and then leaves them alone, it will      see a greater share of the market.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV      Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062

Prince prop (64 x 30,      P-tip)

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection      (sleeved to 35mm)

Status: flying...1083 hrs (since      3-27-2006)

On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Aerobatics(at)aol.com (Aerobatics(at)aol.com) wrote:



      	  Quote: 	
		  I would like to add  I personally have a KF2 with a        582 E box IVO around 500 hours....  perfect



In a message dated        3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com (jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com) writes:

Albert:



A friend        of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65 hp, 2        cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine.  After three engines failures,        and the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well        known Rotax 582.  No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine        problems for the last 18 years.  I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH        ENGINES!!!



Jose Toro

ex-owner Kitfox II/582



From: Albert        <kitfox(at)ida.net (kitfox(at)ida.net)>

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011        1:34:03 AM

Subject: Hirth F30 thoughts



Hello        all

Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a        model 5TD?  I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw        ideas, thoughts or experience to me.

Thanks

Albert Smith

MudLake,        Idaho

5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.

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Mod 3 582 Rebuild

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kitfox(at)ida.net
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

I had a 65 hp in a Challenger 2. Flew it year round for  2 yrs. No problems. With that, the hp, and weight reduction. Major weight  reduction. It sounded kind of interesting. Selling the NSI Cheap.

 Albert Smith

 5TD NSI 140T

 MudLake, Idaho

  



  From: Albert (kitfox(at)ida.net) 

 Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:03 PM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Hirth F30 thoughts

 



 The claimed HP is actually 110 hp. The weight is give or  take 135 complete with fans. And it is Fuel Injected.

 Albert Smith

 5TD NSI 140T

 MudLake Idaho

  



  From: Patrick Reilly (patreilly43(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:53 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Hirth F30 thoughts

 



 Has anyone had experience with the Rotax 670 engine? Rotax Rick sells  them on Barnstormers. From his ads he appears to be experienced in  providing rebuilt Rotax engines. I thought the 670, if setup properly, might be  the way to go for added power. My limited experience with my 582 leads me  to recommend Rotax as a very reliable 65 HP engine. Remember this  thread's question was for powering a mod 5 with 100 HP.

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

 Rockford, IL

 On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>  wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>



Part of the Rotax dominance is    that it has been around longer. I suspect that once Jabiru settles down and    decides how it wants to build engines, and then leaves them alone, it will see    a greater share of the market.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster,    taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062

Prince prop (64 x 30,    P-tip)

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection    (sleeved to 35mm)

Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)

On    Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Aerobatics(at)aol.com (Aerobatics(at)aol.com)    wrote:



    	  Quote: 	
		  I would like to add  I personally have a KF2 with a      582 E box IVO around 500 hours....  perfect



In a message dated      3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com (jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com)      writes:

Albert:



A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations,      decided to use a 65 hp, 2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine.  After      three engines failures, and the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to      switch to the well known Rotax 582.  No more problems. I have read      about Hirth engine problems for the last 18 years.  I DO NOT RECOMMEND      HIRTH ENGINES!!!



Jose Toro

ex-owner Kitfox II/582



From:      Albert <kitfox(at)ida.net (kitfox(at)ida.net)>

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011      1:34:03 AM

Subject: Hirth F30 thoughts



Hello      all

Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a      model 5TD?  I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw      ideas, thoughts or experience to me.

Thanks

Albert Smith

MudLake,      Idaho

5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.

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Mod 3 582 Rebuild

Rockford,IL

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

Dave, Most certain. I have flown it about 20 hours or so. I am an old 2 stroke dirtbike racer and am very comfortable with 2 stroke engines. Bought the engine used FWF with a C box with 100 hours on everything.  It was pulled from a kitfox for a larger engine install. The engine had sat for a year before I bought it, and another year and a half before I installed it and fired it up. I have a Warp Drive ground adjustable prop that came with the engine. It is rated at 65 HP. Don't forget this thread started with questions about a 100 HP engine.

   

  

 On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, <aerobatics(at)aol.com (aerobatics(at)aol.com)> wrote:



  [quote]Hi Pat

Have you flown you 3 with a 582



Dave  



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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:49 pm Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

My point is isn't the 582 enough on a kf 2-3? .... I raced skidoo so I understand the tweaking a 2 strokes too .... that's easy but the life of a aviation engine is totally different. Totally. One is a highly tweaked sprinter vs cruising at 70% for long periods. 



If you go to youtube and search. Kitfox short field take off and see a tan model 2 that all stock w a 582 bluehead ....



Dave



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dave

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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:27 am Post subject: Re: Hirth F30 thoughts

Rotax 582 - great engine in Kitfox - the exhaust was cut to fit in the cowl on Kitfoxes and you will see about 58 HP only. This helps the Kitfox 582s to last longer.



583 and 670 are good engines but power band will not be a good cruiser at 5800.  Power band starts over 6200  rpm and will fall off pipe under that.

Hirth-- Time bomb for the most part.

Rotax 670  talk

http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=16

Bob Widmer is all over you tube, great performance engine but not  for cruising and dependability.



I got hundreds of Kitfox 582 and some 912 movies on you tube.

http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer



Best tip is build them light to get good performance.  The later model and current at close to 1000 lbs empty. Early ones started at 400lbs or so. 



The early Avid A would climb at 2200  fpm plus !!

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Pat Reilly

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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

Dave, I haven't "tweaked" my 582 . Just attempted to set up and maintain properly. I don't want to reduce life or reliabilty. My opinion is that a 582 is just about right for a Mod 2 or 3. But, I haven't flown a 912. I might like it.

   

 Pat Reilly

Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

 Rockford, IL



 On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 4:46 PM, <aerobatics(at)aol.com (aerobatics(at)aol.com)> wrote:

 [quote]My point is isn't the 582 enough on a kf 2-3? .... I raced skidoo so I understand the tweaking a 2 strokes too .... that's easy but the life of a aviation engine is totally different. Totally. One is a highly tweaked sprinter vs cruising at 70% for long periods. 

 

If you go to youtube and search. Kitfox short field take off and see a tan model 2 that all stock w a 582 bluehead ....



Dave



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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:26 am Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

912 is a fabulous engine....  Im lucky to have flown about 1,000 hours  behind one...   but power to weight of the 582 is ... in my opinion  the perfect engine for the KF 2  3  

  

 enjoy

  

 Dave

  

  In a message dated 3/6/2011 6:34:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,  patreilly43(at)gmail.com writes:

 [quote]   Dave, I haven't "tweaked" my 582 . Just attempted to set up and    maintain properly. I don't want to reduce life or reliabilty. My opinion    is that a 582 is just about right for a Mod 2 or 3. But, I haven't flown    a 912. I might like it.

    

   Pat Reilly

Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

   Rockford, IL



   On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 4:46 PM, <aerobatics(at)aol.com (aerobatics(at)aol.com)> wrote:

   [quote]My point is isn't the 582 enough on a kf 2-3? .... I raced      skidoo so I understand the tweaking a 2 strokes too .... that's easy but the      life of a aviation engine is totally different. Totally. One is a highly      tweaked sprinter vs cruising at 70% for long periods. 



If you go to      youtube and search. Kitfox short field take off and see a tan model 2 that      all stock w a 582 bluehead ....



Dave



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From: patreilly43(at)gmail.com (patreilly43(at)gmail.com)

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

Sent: Sat, Mar 5, 2011 3:24      pm

Subject: Re: Re: Hirth F30 thoughts



          Dave, Most certain. I have flown it about 20 hours or so. I am an old 2      stroke dirtbike racer and am very comfortable with 2 stroke engines. Bought      the engine used FWF with a C box with 100 hours on everything.  It      was pulled from a kitfox for a larger engine install. The      engine had sat for a year before I bought it, and another year and a      half before I installed it and fired it up. I have a Warp Drive ground      adjustable prop that came with the engine. It is rated at 65 HP. Don't      forget this thread started with questions about a 100 HP engine.

      

      

     On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, <aerobatics(at)aol.com (aerobatics(at)aol.com)> wrote:



          [quote]Hi Pat

Have you flown you 3 with a 582



Dave        



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Pat Reilly

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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:06 pm Post subject: Hirth F30 thoughts

Dave, I also thought the 582 was light enough to make it the ideal mod 3 engine. The price difference was also very attractive.

  

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

 Rockford, IL

 On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:23 AM, <Aerobatics(at)aol.com (Aerobatics(at)aol.com)> wrote:

 [quote]  912 is a fabulous engine....  Im lucky to have flown about 1,000 hours behind one...   but power to weight of the 582 is ... in my opinion the perfect engine for the KF 2  3  

  

 enjoy

  

 Dave

  

   

  In a message dated 3/6/2011 6:34:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, patreilly43(at)gmail.com (patreilly43(at)gmail.com) writes:

 [quote]  

  Dave, I haven't "tweaked" my 582 . Just attempted to set up and maintain properly. I don't want to reduce life or reliabilty. My opinion is that a 582 is just about right for a Mod 2 or 3. But, I haven't flown a 912. I might like it.

   

 Pat Reilly

Mod 3 582 Rebuilt

 Rockford, IL



   

 On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 4:46 PM, <aerobatics(at)aol.com (aerobatics(at)aol.com)> wrote:

 [quote]  

 My point is isn't the 582 enough on a kf 2-3? .... I raced skidoo so I understand the tweaking a 2 strokes too .... that's easy but the life of a aviation engine is totally different. Totally. One is a highly tweaked sprinter vs cruising at 70% for long periods. 

 

If you go to youtube and search. Kitfox short field take off and see a tan model 2 that all stock w a 582 bluehead ....



Dave



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