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Rex Rodebush

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 209
Location: Branson West area, Missouri

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: Nose bracket

Attached are some pictures of my combination nose pull handle, tie down, and skid (yea, I know, a training wheel!).



I had to angle off the lower part of the front frame so the cone would fit.

Rex Rodebush

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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: Nose bracket

Rex

why not point  the mains  rearward and install a nose wheel ?  

kidding...   HAHAHAHA



Seriously wishing I had a shop to build in  like yours... 8-(



Mark Vaughn



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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: Nose bracket

Rex,



I haven't been following the list close enough to see your nose 

bracket, but this seems to be a little extreme to weld an attachment 

to the airframe. The new kolbs don't nose-over as bad as the older 

ones. I would think that a clamped one would be sufficient. After a 

few hours, it wouldn't be necessary. Keep the stick back all the time 

when taxiing (it's a pusher with enough power to overcome any 

tailwind on the elevator). This is going to affect your weight and 

balance up front like that.



Ralph

Original Firestar

20 years flying it

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Attached are some pictures of my combination nose pull handle, tie 

down, and skid (yea, I know, a training wheel!).



I had to angle off the lower part of the front frame so the cone 

would fit.

Rex Rodebush





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Rex Rodebush

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 209
Location: Branson West area, Missouri

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Nose bracket

Mark,



It's just 1/2 of the garage.  The boss parks her car outside on the weekends to give me a little more room!



Ralph,



The attachment is beefy so I can use it as a pull/push handle and an extra tie down if needed.  Hopefully it will never be tested as a nose skid.



Rex Rodebush

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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: Nose bracket

Well it certainly looks strong enough from here 



 Sadly I'd have to first  Build the Boss A Garage before

 I  could  kick her out of it on the Weekends 8-0 hahahaha



 Buying used may be my best option although I would

love to know What I did when I built it .... A big build

it your self PLUS  IMO...   Nice job..

 Mark Vaughn



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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject: Nose bracket

Rex



I almost didn't comment on your Nose Bracket because I really don't want to 

offend you but I have a more over riding concern that people will think 

there is a need to build these things. There IS NOT a nosing over problem 

with the MKIII. You even have the optional(longer and forward bent) gear 

legs which transfers even more weight to the tail.



John H recently commented that he can do a full 100 HP run up without nosing 

over and his main gear is configured very close to the way the optional gear 

legs are configured.



I have been flying my VW powered MKIIIc in allot of configurations over the 

years and only came close once. This was on my first flight with my redrive 

VW. This was a extreme case where I had a very high thrust line (7 inches of 

clearance with a 72 inch prop) with the stock gear legs and I wasn't used to 

the thrust of my new redrive VW engine. I may even had run through a puddle 

of water. With my direct drive engine I had gotten used to raising the tail 

during my takeoff roll and going to full power fairly quick. I don't do that 

any more.



Again I don't want to offend. Sorry!



Rick Neilsen

redrive VW powered MKIIIc

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Rex Rodebush

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 209
Location: Branson West area, Missouri

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: Re: Nose bracket

Hi Rick,



No offense taken.  I don't disagree with anything you said.



I feel it is worthwhile for me to have a nose push/pull handle, an extra tie down location and a skid as a bonus (three birds with one stone!).  Others may think it's a waste of time and money and just extra weight; and that's fine.



Rex

MKIIIX040

Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 123
Location: Millinocket, Maine

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: Nose bracket

I asked this a while ago and appreciate your info and the  pics of the nose bracket, It can't hurt and it's well done. Can't be any heavier  than Johns sleeping bag. Don't forget some of us (me) can't fly anything. If  after what seems like decades getting this Kolb in the air I could put training  wheels on the wingtips and land on a mattress I would.

 Spose I'm getting a little paranoid the closer to lift off  I get?

  

  

  

 "What I'd like to know is how to attach a skid under them  to insure us complete beginers against an expensive and time consuming repair  from even the slightest nose dinging.

  

 Maybe a vertical partition inside front to back. Maybe  Uncle C. would know how to do that and if it would work."

  

   Vic

 912 UL Extra

 Maine

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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: Nose bracket

Vic/all

  

 Do yourself a major favor and get some training in  a similar Kolb before you fly. The time and money you save by not building all  those things that non flyers tell you are important will pay for the most  expensive of training. You can't build a plane that it is 100% safe,  no way. Well maybe you can by making it so heavy it will not fly. A light plane  flies better.

  

 The cardinal rule is follow the plans. It is  easy for make a plane less safe when the intent is to make it safer. Talk to the  factory or people that have hundreds if not thousands of hours on non  factory changes. Ignore the rest.

  

 Sorry I'm on kind of a rant on this.

  

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered MKIIIc

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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: Nose bracket

Hi Rick



  As long as weight and balance and useful load is adjusted for Why do 

you think this

 Mod is a problem????

  I fully agree  talking with the Factory along with other builders is a 

good idea

 but I don't  see this mod as a problem ....



  Just don't cover the Half Loop and turn it into an Inverted Vertical 

Stabilizer..hahhaha 



  Then again it's always what we don't know we don't know that bites 

us.... 8-(





 Mark Vaughn



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:38 am Post subject: Nose bracket

Do yourself a major favor and get some training in a similar Kolb 

before you fly. The time and money you save by not building all those 

things that non flyers tell you are important will pay for the most 

expensive of training.



Rick Neilsen

Rick:



Dad burn it!  You took the words right out of my mouth.



This nose skid thing is very similar to the landing gear thing we go 

through here periodically.  There is nothing wrong with the Kolb 

design.  We all start out with the first flight in a Kolb.  Any 

"normal" pilot can fly and feel very comfortable in a Kolb in a matter 

of a few hours.



I agree with you Rick, a lot of recommendations are coming from folks 

that have zero or near zero time and experience flying Kolbs.  Don't 

think I will base any design changes on that category recommendation, 

even though I did see Homer Kolb and a passenger in the factory mkIII 

put it on its nose when Homer swung the tail around in a stiff breeze, 

1991, on Homer's airstrip.  The factory put a skid in the plans for 

those that wanted it.



I did the same thing with a "heavy" passenger a year or two later in 

the factory mkIII at Lakeland.  Tailwind, heavy passenger, and a brish 

tailwind.  No damage, just pride.



The beauty of experimental/UL aviation is the choice of how you build 

your airplane.  If you want a skid, go for it.   After all, didn't the 

Jenny have axe handle skids on the outboard end of each bottom wing?



john h

mkIII



PS:  Busy fabricating new center section.  Did not realize how many 

individual parts and rivet holes were involved in this project.   

Gonna go all sheet metal this time, since I was able to use the old 

lexan cover for a pattern.  Looks like it is going to work out.

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Rex Rodebush

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 209
Location: Branson West area, Missouri

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Nose bracket

Just for the record.  I'm a private pilot and have about 60 hours of taildragger time in a J-3.



I'm kind of amazed at all the fuss.  If you don't like it don't put one on YOUR airplane.



Rex



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MKIIIX040

Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 123
Location: Millinocket, Maine

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: Nose bracket

Your right Rick don't be sorry. I have a good  friend at our airport that is a legal ultralight trainer (for a while). We hope  to get plenty of time in before the big N # changeover.

   Vic

 912 UL Extra

 Maine

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 Vic/all

  

 Do yourself a major favor and get some training in  a similar Kolb before you fly. The time and money you save by not building all  those things that non flyers tell you are important will pay for the most  expensive of training. You can't build a plane that it is 100% safe,  no way. Well maybe you can by making it so heavy it will not fly. A light plane  flies better.

  

 The cardinal rule is follow the plans. It is  easy for make a plane less safe when the intent is to make it safer. Talk to the  factory or people that have hundreds if not thousands of hours on non  factory changes. Ignore the rest.

  

 Sorry I'm on kind of a rant on this.

  

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered  MKIIIc



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